In other words, out of the $100k one-year example, $65k-$70k was available prior to NIL.
This is like the athlete who claims to be on full scholarship -- when in reality, he's on 20% athletic scholarship and the rest is needs-based aid + loans.
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This is like the athlete who claims to be on full scholarship -- when in reality, he's on 20% athletic scholarship and the rest is needs-based aid + loans.
yes all these kids will be very successful in life,they will have plenty of time to do what they want to do!
Yes, exactly. And why wouldn't that $65 - $70K be included in the reported "package." You would have to be foolish not to point out the benefit of the scholarship and/or the post-grad wrestling club stipend. It is a real benefit that should be considered and weighed against alternatives.
I would be very surprised if these numbers being reported weren't $250K and up. Now maybe if we were talking a million dollars over the same time period, it would give a particular school a decided advantage. But it will not take much NIL at all to compete with a $250K offer - as long as the financial aid package/scholarship is available to offer.
For undergrads, the 9.9 is still a factor no matter how you slice it. It can offset how much NIL is needed in a package. Neither scholarships nor NIL is an unlimited resource. So it is still a case of coaches deciding how important a recruit/transfer is and allocating resources.
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I won't be surprised if Nagao ends up a Hawk. They seem bent on buying a championship.
They aren't getting Nagao. Call it a hunch..
I think Nagao stays at Minnesota. Minnesota seems to be starting to trend back up, Nagao has 3 years of eligibility, and I think he, shrewdly, is posturing for someone at Minnesota, who is invested in wrestling success, to make sure he stays there.
WRONG! They aren't getting Nagao AND they aren't buying a championship. Call it conclusive.. 👍They aren't getting Nagao. Call it a hunch..
They have been trying to buy a championship for several years now and unfortunately for them, their batting average is not impressive at all.
You could be right.
I can think of 3 reasons a Fr would enter the portal.
1. He's not happy where he is.
2. He's testing his market value.
3. He thinks he can better reach short and long-term goals elsewhere.
His willingness to return to Minny eliminates #1. So yeah, if it's just #2, Minny might pony up enough to keep him, with Iowa as their chief competition.
If it's just #3, Cornell or PSU would be the frontrunners, IMO. Most likely, though, it will be a sliding scale between #2 and #3.
Too close to call.
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I don’t see him going back to Minnesota and Cornell doesn’t make a ton of sense with Vito at 133 and Cornella at 141. I really really hope he comes to PSU and he seems like an absolutely perfect fit but I have a bad feeling that he ends up at Iowa. No logic involved in my thinking, just a gut feeling that I highly dislike. I’m also a big hockey fan and last season on the run to the cup us Avs fans were big into the reverse jinx so I might be leaning into that a bit as well
I thought the school couldnt offer any NIL money and it had to come from an outside source so how can a scholarship or portion of a scholarship be included when doing the calculations above?
Nagao said he’s likely to decide by late April. This Sunday is the 16th of April, and the 16th is the later side of April, right. So I’ll commence hourly refreshes of this thread waiting for his decision. Let’s go! 😁😉🙏
That was my understanding also, but the whole NIL is very confusing and as far as I can tell there are no hard and fast rules.
If TnT brings in Spencer as the closer, and we bring in AB, I like our chances.
April 16th is my birthday, so him committing to Penn State would work for me
I hope that he comes to Penn State as well. I just think that since he did not rule out a return to Minnesota, this tells me that he is looking for the best deal that he can get. Frankly, I cannot blame him since these are the rules of the game. It may not be Minnesota, but I just have a hunch that he is waiting for someone to step up so that he stays.
The school can't. Is it really that hard to understand that $60K from the school and $40K from an associated collective equals $100K package for a recruit or his parents?
Or that a $50K stipend from a WC plus $30K from outside sources equals $80K (x 2 years = $160K)?
If I were a recruit, those are the numbers I would be adding up and if I had to put a value on it, it would include all of the above.
And again, this isn't throwing BAGs of money around. It's relatively justifiable, especially when you consider the advertising $ some of the big athlete media stars (like the girls basketball twins) are pulling in.
This doesn't seem that hard to understand. Where am I going wrong?
I believe he left Minnesota in the discussion because he genuinely likes his coaches and his teammates.
Nagao is a smart guy who recognizes his own potential. I believe he will choose Penn State and the NLWC because they will provide him with the best opportunity to be a 3-time NCAA Champion, win an Olympic gold medal, and be a World Champion.
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An advantage of Nil would be to package it such that the student must not require or accept a scholarship, thereby leaving those dollars for others who don't currently command any NIL money. What a way to stretch those 9.9 scholarships!
Agree on all points except there is a firewall between coaches and NIL. NIL is between the athelete and the market, and no program has an official budget, not should they view this as a resource under their control.
Sure there are collectives, and in theory the collective can meet with a coach in a dark alley somewhere to align strategies, but that is not legal.
Is it confirmed Nagao is coming to the Blue White game? Such nice weather, but getting colder and rainy for the 15th.
Is it confirmed Nagao is coming to the Blue White game? Such nice weather, but getting colder and rainy for the 15th.
Compared to Minnesota weather, it will seem like a heatwave.
The question is - "Does he want to wrestle in the midwest?" If so, PSU is the place for him and he has an 83% chance of realizing it!!
Honest question here. Are MMA earnings public like they’d be in boxing? What are Bo Nickal’s career earnings so far?
I like our chances more if RBY is Nagao's weekend tour guide. Pre-existing relationship, also RBY is the master of NIL self-marketing.
Someone had the best joke on this board, best pitch
Truax: So ... what weight are you going to go?
Brooks: That's top secret stuff you need to be on the team to know
Truax: So ... what weight are you going to go?
Brooks: That's top secret stuff you need to be on the team to know
They sometimes publish information, especially items like fight-of-the-night awards. It’s hard to find info on individual fighters.
I knew Ryan Jimmo about 10 years back (before he was killed in a road rage incident). He was around the top 10 at light heavyweight. He said people like himself could earn around $100k, including endorsements. A lot has probably changed. But you aren’t earning a lot just starting out.
To see how first time fight versus veteran purse for one fight
How Much Bo Nickal Earn at UFC 285?
Bo Nickal who is making to debut at UFC 285, will earn guaranteed purse $12k for the fight. His earnings increased to $78k based which include UFC performance bonus $50k and $4k sponsorship money. Nickal earned the opportunity after winning previous fight against (Donovan Beard).Jamie Pickett Earnings at UFC 285?
Jamie Pickett hopeful to make a proper comeback at UFC 285. He lost his previous fight on knockout decision from (Denis Tiuliulin) at UFC 279. Jamie Pickett will earn guaranteed purse $75k and his overall earnings increased to $200k+ which include UFC performance bonuses only if he wins and got selected for fight of the night or performance of the night.
Bo probably made under 20K his first fight ... it was his debut but the fact he debuted on a PPV with Jon Jones speaks about his ultimate earning potential but nobody cleans up their first fight. That being said, Bo's overall pay and net worth is probably insane for this stage of his career (and will get more insane) because he built his brand through winning and that's why ATT threw the full house to bid on him by giving him a gym (and thus access to PSU wrestlers also)
Similary, Willie mentioned Spencer made 7 figures at Iowa, why did he? It's not like he would ever threaten to leave if he didn't get paid. Pretty simple, Spencer was a winner and had a brand.
EDIT: Never mind, Bo (per 5q's post) was almost 80K to debut, not bad lol.
So why would an aspiring MMA fighter be worth 6 figures in endorsements when they aren’t even in the game yet? The numbers just don’t add up. A PGA player that’s good but not a superstar (75-125 in the world rankings) makes 500K-750K In endorsements BEFORE expenses. I’d think a tour PGA player that has his card is worth a lot more than 2X what an all-American NCAA wrestler is worth. I’ve heard these “confirmations “ from those in the know. I still call. Show me your hand. Where are the tax returns? People throw around figures like it’s easy to make a million dollars. It’s hard to make a million. It’s hard to make $250,000. There are statistics on those annual earnings. College wrestler doesn’t pass the sniff test. There are jock sniffers out there, but not a lot are handing out $100K. And I see no ROI on valid deals.
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You might be losing sight of NIL money from businesses run by fans that simply want their favorite team to have the best athletes, regardless of ROI.
SMU football players weren’t paid by folks looking for ROI in the 80s.
Exactly as I thought. He’s probably the biggest prospect
Those are some seriously hardcore jock sniffers.
For many years, many college athletes were paid against NCAA rules. All hush hush under the table. No one looking for ROI in it. Maybe not so much in wrestling, but now all those “boosters” can be joined by others who would only do it legally.
I think even I’ve been asked to give NIL money to specific sports.
Some of the amounts being reported are higher than I thought. But I’ve also seen wrestlers at both PSU and Iowa buying houses at a much younger age than I could have while working full time in a professional career field after graduation.
Well I watched the Iowa State pod cast thing and those guys were saying everyone knows somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody who is talking to these kids. They need to ratchet this shit in before it gets out of hand. Only like ten schools can afford nil in wrestling the rest are screwed. That isn't good for the sport. I agree with a lot of what they were saying on the pod cast. I'd post it if I knew how lol
What is the ROI for anything we really spend money on in life lol? Vacations? Good Food, Parties. Tickets for Sports? It's just your personal happiness. Fans love sports, we surely all do and want their team to be good. If we only spent money on actual stuff that is productive or help us improve our net worth, we would all live pretty boring lives.
Elite wrestlers are also careful & disciplined, so I’d expectation a higher proportional than other athletes to invest and save their bag and be prepared to buy a house quickly, too. I know Marinelli was in college into his 20s, but he’s married with a family two years out.
Marinelli is married? Wait until BTN finds out about this.
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