2021 Olympic Wrestling Match Thread and USA Wrestlers.
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I think the more accurate label in this case would just be "wrong" loljs8793 is too good a poster to hang. Instead, let’s just call him flippity floppity.#compromise
My thoughts as well. He didn’t post anything outlandish, and was talking wrestling. Posters attacking him for that have no room to mock HR.
yeah, js is one of my favorite posters. His wrestling analysis is typically among the best around here. I didn’t even know he was an Iowa fan for a long time. I’m not sure how much I’ll hold it against him, but not much.
Even as an Iowa fan I wished he'd make his home base here instead of HR. Hes a very good poster and I enjoy his stuff...
What's with all caps man calm down you'll blow your pace maker
Happens to the best of us! You’re a good poster and levelheaded, which puts you squarely in the top 1% of Hawkeye fans. It’s you and @WildTurk basically.
I think we are missing (maybe not) that DT is the cause of Yazdani gassing. It seems Yazdani was more cautious this morning than in the previous two matches with DT. Perhaps it was DT that was more cautious. Either way the leaning on and pushing that DT applied to Yazdani tired Yazdani out more than it did DT. Add to that the pre-match stress that an Olympic gold medal match has on the wrestler, they were probably both running on less than a full gas tank.
Been rewatching Gilman's matches and was struck by how this was the first time I've seen him wrestle that style since his 2017 run. High volume leg attacks, mostly knee pulls, coming up to his feet and walking guys to the edge for safe finishes or a push out at worst. Mostly right hand clubs, circling to his right off snaps. That's how he wrestled in college.
Post 2017, there was a very noticeable shift towards his left hand underhook. I know Perry is really into the Iranians, Yazdani specifically, and you could see that influence across all the HWC athletes under him, especially Gilman and Molinari. Gilman was obviously still very good, but sometimes it seemed like he would get stuck on his underhook and not get enough attacks off. His finishes looked a little crisper too. He was getting to the corner so fast on his knee pull.
I think he's always been at his best when he's clubbing and circling right and finding a nice rhythm off that to drop into his knee pull. When he was more focused on his underhook to the other side, he wasn't getting that angle and we saw his attack rate drop. A small change in emphasis can make such a big difference.
Also side note: Abdullaev had to have had a horrific cut lol. He melted after a minute and laid down. TG is the last guy I'd want to see off the scale.
Post 2017, there was a very noticeable shift towards his left hand underhook. I know Perry is really into the Iranians, Yazdani specifically, and you could see that influence across all the HWC athletes under him, especially Gilman and Molinari. Gilman was obviously still very good, but sometimes it seemed like he would get stuck on his underhook and not get enough attacks off. His finishes looked a little crisper too. He was getting to the corner so fast on his knee pull.
I think he's always been at his best when he's clubbing and circling right and finding a nice rhythm off that to drop into his knee pull. When he was more focused on his underhook to the other side, he wasn't getting that angle and we saw his attack rate drop. A small change in emphasis can make such a big difference.
Also side note: Abdullaev had to have had a horrific cut lol. He melted after a minute and laid down. TG is the last guy I'd want to see off the scale.
Agree with you. Also noticed that his TD finishes on single legs is massively improved vs former Gilman.
It just hit me. Compare Taylor's double here to Mark Hall vs Bo Jordan in the NCAA finals. Jordan exposed his legs a lot more, but both Taylor and Hall used essentially the same technique to get the penetration.
Yazdani looked like he was a little gassed there at the end IMHO... He was trying to get hooks in to hold Taylor in position at the end and after Taylor shook him off and dropped level, he was totally unable to hold him off at the end there... just wilted to the mat.
DT appeared to have significantly more "pop" and energy there at the end which is what usually wins tight matches like that. JB won many matches waiting on the deciding TD like that.
I think it was also nice that Taylor dug an underhook of his own, which he usually doesn't do. Gave Yazdani a different feel and made him react hard to clear it. When he cleared that arm, DT just followed that momentum with an arm chop and level change right to his double.
Tonight's action at 10 PM:
Dake MFS 74KG Repechage is the 1st match on Mat A. Following the two 74KG repechage matches, the MFS 65KG 1/8 and 1/4 matches are on Mat A
Winchester WFS 53KG repechage is the 1st match on Mat B
Hildebrandt WFS 50 KG is the 9th match on Mat B
Snyder MFS 97KG is the 10th match on Mat C
Tomorrow about 630 AM; all wrestling on Mat B
The MFS 74G bronze match start things off, maybe Dake will be there.
The Steveson Gold medal match is the 6th match followed by WFS 53KG Bronze matches with maybe Winchester
Here's some links:
https://www.nbcolympics.com/schedule/sport/wrestling
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/wrestling/olympic-schedule-and-results.htm
Dake MFS 74KG Repechage is the 1st match on Mat A. Following the two 74KG repechage matches, the MFS 65KG 1/8 and 1/4 matches are on Mat A
Winchester WFS 53KG repechage is the 1st match on Mat B
Hildebrandt WFS 50 KG is the 9th match on Mat B
Snyder MFS 97KG is the 10th match on Mat C
Tomorrow about 630 AM; all wrestling on Mat B
The MFS 74G bronze match start things off, maybe Dake will be there.
The Steveson Gold medal match is the 6th match followed by WFS 53KG Bronze matches with maybe Winchester
Here's some links:
https://www.nbcolympics.com/schedule/sport/wrestling
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/wrestling/olympic-schedule-and-results.htm
The underhook was very quick and got Yazdani to raise his right arm looking for head control; Taylor follows with that quick pull to the back of Yazdani's arms leaving them fully extended and unable to block the double. It was a perfect setup by Taylor.
The underhook was very quick and got Yazdani to raise his right arm looking for head control; Taylor follows with that quick pull to the back of Yazdani's arms leaving them fully extended and unable to block the double. It was a perfect setup by Taylor.
DT took a small step back to ensure Yazdani was coming forward desperately looking for a tie to hold Taylor in position until the clock expired.... once Yazdani came forward following Taylor's move back... he immediately dropped level while keeping Yazdani high with his right arm hook... Yazdani looked tired and caught lunging forward responding to Taylor's feigned move back.... Yazdani knew he was had before DT even completed the counter-shot - he just went right to the mat didn't even make a desperate whizzer attempt.
Guys, enough with the pissing matches, parsing of prior posts, etc. Let it go, regardless of how you feel. This thread is about the wrestling in the Olympics. Enjoy the wrestling and the PBP that some provide. Discuss the results and why this or that move worked, etc.
This is a great thread. Please keep it that way, and avoid getting distracted by the silly stuff.
This is a great thread. Please keep it that way, and avoid getting distracted by the silly stuff.
Same link I gave you before. You can navigate all weight classes and each match has a Replay link. You're missing a lot for no reason. This is all free content.
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I don’t think Yaz “knew he was had” and bailed. I was/remain surprised how flat-footed/ on his heels/ straight-kneed Yaz was with 20 seconds left.
The shot from Taylor was kind of slow (espec for DT). Once DT got his head under Yaz’s chin, DT had his arm around Yaz’s leg (which had a heel dug into the mat). Yaz’s torso was bulled back with his legs “stuck” in place. It was a simple domino falling.
Yaz must have been tired or lost focus, b/c he was in a horrible stance/ position to defend. It was so odd!
I wonder if (1) DT sees this bad stance and reacts super quickly, or (2) if he was building to that with the underhook followed by the head-snap and was going to see what that opened up, or (3) decided that was the pattern (all the way to the dbl-leg shot) to attempt and execute no matter what stance Yaz ended up in.
I am sure only DT 100% knows, but I would be curious to hear what others think, and if you found that last 20 seconds unfold as I saw it.
Sure it is. Below all of the logos, search for You Tube TV. It's there. Plus, it gives you 30 minutes to watch without a TV provider as well.
He looks like a completely different wrestler I've never seen him get after it with that much confidence before. Beast mode I like it
Again, I think Yaz was gassed - he definitely lunged forward desperately seeking a tie when DT feigned going back with a half-step while they were still in contact. That's a definite no-no in terms of defensive positioning especially when the opponent has more power/energy, but he clearly did it and as soon as DT changed level he was done - absolutely zero defense, not even an attempted whizzer to try and hold him off for a few seconds which is very unusual to see at that level.
I do find it ironic it was an underhook David started with to hit that double considering how Yazdani's underhooks have given David fits. Watching the takedown numerous times in slow motion it really was well set up, which can only be executed that well, especially at that late stage in the match, if your conditioning is excellent and you have trained yourself to execute when tired, which obviously David has!
It is amazing how well you can see all the small details and techniques as you watch it in super slow-motion over and over on your 75 inch HDTV
You can truly appreciate how well-timed and executed David's set-up and shot were. Originally I was of the opinion that Yazdani was very flat-footed in that sequence, but after viewing it more closely, I think it was much more the case of David's great technique than any major lapses on Yazdani's part. I had mentioned it earlier, but at about the eight second mark you can hear Casey yelling, "Stay there! No! Stay there!", but David switches sides and Yazdani tries to trap David's right elbow to expose him. Yazdani actually does partially trap David's arm and rolls David precariously to his right, but David was able to pull his own arm away before he hit 90 degrees. Too close for comfort! Edit: If anyone has the technical ability to post it, a still shot at 5.0 seconds shows the critical moment as David rolls toward his right side with both legs high in the air.
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This reminds me of a phrase that Spencer Lee invented all by himself (trademark) (copyright): you’ve got no stance; you’ve got no chance.
I know you think Yaz lunged fwd, but I don’t see that. I see that when DT pulls his arms out, Yaz’s legs immediately lock straight as arrows, which is nothing like a lunge fwd. There’s a video of it several posts above, and I want to see what you see, but I just don’t. Not trying to be difficult but befuddled how Yaz got caught in a position that you’d tell a Mighty Mite wrestler to always avoid (ending up with arrow straight legs). And how DT knew this was coming, or if he saw it and reacted, or if he planned it based on what he saw/felt in the match.
You were just getting to what I wanted to learn (not Yaz’s mess-up, but DT’s technique), but switched to the last 8 seconds instead of unfolding the takedown matter for me.I do find it ironic it was an underhook David started with to hit that double considering how Yazdani's underhooks have given David fits. Watching the takedown numerous times in slow motion it really was well set up, which can only be executed that well, especially at that late stage in the match, if your conditioning is excellent and you have trained yourself to execute when tired, which obviously David has!
It is amazing how well you can see all the small details and techniques as you watch it in super slow-motion over and over on your 75 inch HDTV
I agree. I don’t think Yaz simply lunged forward to maintain contact. I see that David snapped down Yaz’s head/neck as a setup to make Yaz pull the head up and thereby weight Yaz’s feet to prevent sprawling and also thereby clear Yaz’s head.
And David chopped Yaz’s right arm down to make Yaz’s react by raising Yaz’s right arm and thereby clear Yaz’s right hand/elbow, as another poster said. I can’t see how David cleared Yaz’s left hand/elbow. Maybe since David had the inside/collar on that side, he didn’t have to clear it, or maybe there was a mini elbow-post type of motion.
In fact, before we were discussing here, I had shown the video snippet to my son to show him that the fundamentals that he learned his first year of wrestling (snap down setup to a double) are still useful even at the highest levels.
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I agree with you Psalm, it was just perfect execution by David. When David wrapped his right arm behind Yaz's left leg, Yaz was a statue and had nowhere to go and the force of David's body completed the mission.
Sweet comback.
Sweet comback.
Hey, quit bragging about the size of your tv. 😉I do find it ironic it was an underhook David started with to hit that double considering how Yazdani's underhooks have given David fits. Watching the takedown numerous times in slow motion it really was well set up, which can only be executed that well, especially at that late stage in the match, if your conditioning is excellent and you have trained yourself to execute when tired, which obviously David has!
It is amazing how well you can see all the small details and techniques as you watch it in super slow-motion over and over on your 75 inch HDTV
I do find it ironic it was an underhook David started with to hit that double considering how Yazdani's underhooks have given David fits. Watching the takedown numerous times in slow motion it really was well set up, which can only be executed that well, especially at that late stage in the match, if your conditioning is excellent and you have trained yourself to execute when tired, which obviously David has!
It is amazing how well you can see all the small details and techniques as you watch it in super slow-motion over and over on your 75 inch HDTV
Well they're all just opinions, but in that situation when an opponent is desperately attempting to maintain contact including pushing forward when you attempt to push them back while stepping back, it is a very clear sign of exhaustion. Keep in mind, Yaz had the lead, he didn't need to maintain contact especially via the no-no of pushing forward when your center of balance is skewed forward (i.e., you fall onto your opponents back if he changes levels and goes under your shoulders which is exactly what Yaz did - he had ZERO control of his body once DT feigned that he was stepping back and dropped level. Not sure which vid your referring to, but the vid posted above of DT's winning TD, which starts with 11 seconds left, does not show Yaz making any defense to DT's shot whatsoever, let alone nearly exposing him.
Again, Yaz had the lead, if he was not exhausted he would have allowed separation between himself and DT and set up in a balanced position to defend an attack in the final seconds- not hung on to DT and lunged forward to maintain contact (losing control of his body position with that massive forward lean is a huge no-no in that situation and typical of a gassed wrestler.... i.e., desperately trying to maintain a tie position including lunging forward). Yaz had the lead - he did not need to push forward like that, if he had proper energy, he would have pushed DT as he stepped back to create separation and set up in a well-balanced defensive position to hold DT off for the final handful of seconds.
Oh, Yaz definitely has his weight forward - as soon as DT switches levels and goes under Yaz's shoulders, Yaz literally slumps onto DT's back.
Pretty amazing the timing of this shot based upon feel during the tie. Stop the action at 0:02. Both of Yaz's knees are locked, his upper body is perilously over extended. No chance of a sprawl.
PS -Looks like a few beat me to it.
Watch the video again... as soon as DT switches levels and goes under Yaz, Yaz's arms, head and chest all drape directly over DT's back, which can only happen if Yaz has a forward lean going. As a matter of fact, Yaz is pushing so hard forward his hands not only drape straight down DT's back but both his hands hit DT in the ass.
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