But Wisky will have 3 losses after OSU smokes them, so they will not have the same record as PSU.
Again, provided OSU wins big, there is no way a 3 loss UW goes Rose before a 2 loss PSU. Ain't happening.
a NY6 Bowl ... what are we needing to happen this week?
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Again, provided OSU wins big, there is no way a 3 loss UW goes Rose before a 2 loss PSU. Ain't happening.
I would be surprised if Wisky jumps ahead of PSU since unlike some of those buying into the recent Wisky hype train, I think the committee looks at a team’s entire body of work and will remember them blowing a double digit second half lead to Illinois.
Yeah he is. See my other post. Wisconsin’s “Rose Bowl Resume” isn’t as strong as PSU’s now and will be even worse after they get hammered a second time by OSU on Saturday.
I agree. But until the 13 person committee isn't making these decisions, you just never know. The committee is the judge, jury, and executioner. They should NOT have that kind of power.
Yeah, but PSU may not have had to play any of the BIG east powers. They may have lost one game if they were in the West. That would have put them in the BIG championship.
Let the play on the field decide who moves onto what. It's obviously not an easy thing to fix or it would have been done already. I just believe that something needs to give.
Are you for real? Or just hate Franklin that much? Minnesota “owned” PSU but won by a whopping 5 points and probably loses but for a bogus offensive pass interference call at the end of the game. As I said elsewhere, unlike some of the clueless, the committee isn’t likely to forget Wisky blowing a double digit second half lead to “mighty” Illinois. Teams get selected on their resume over the entire season not just a single game. By the way, PSU is the only team to play a 4th quarter game against OSU despite playing almost the entire second half without its starting QB. OSU kicked Wisconsin’s asses 38-7 by the way.
That’s a cute sound bite...... but it is, of course, utterly meaningless.
Unless you can explain just how “Let the play on the field.....” would work. Specifically and unequivocally.
Which, I am sure, you can’t (because no one can..... not without, at the least, creating an alternate universe where 5 is less than 4
Do you think an 8 team playoff would at least damper the biasness???
Exactly. At the end of the day it will come down to number of losses and who is ranked higher in the CFP rankings. Those will be the two key metrics the Rose committee uses to decide. As long as O$U wins and it is not some kind of last minute thriller win then Wisky will drop behind PSU and we get the bid.
If that does not happen then they just want to screw us, no other explanation. There is no head to head vs Wisky to potentially save them (assuming they best us) so it is clear cut. They lose. They drop behind us, we are the highest ranked B10 team after O$U based on the final playoff rankings then we get the ROSE.
An 8 team playoff is coming, the catch is our great grandchildren will get to enjoy it as slow and bureaucratic as the joke and crooked NCAA is.
Hmmm. I never give much thought about OU or Utah. I think you are right. I guess we should, all pull for either a) Utah to win very convincingly to impress the committee OR b) Oregon to simply beat Utah....... Bottom line is that it's good for us to have Utah get that #4 spot instead of OU. That would push OU to the Sugar. Baylor is not getting a NY6 spot if they lose to OU.
I don't have any idea what's going to happen but I have this feeling that somewhere there is a bowl comm. hoping for a Bama vrs PSU bowl game
That is impossible, other than the Cotton Bowl, and considering the G5 team will be going there, hopes of Bama/PSU are slim and none, and Slim just left town.
It all comes down to money, in the end everything comes down to money and the Rose ultimately cares about who will generate the most money for their sponsors and city. If its close and they have a choice they are going to follow the money and in this case PSU trumps Minny in ALL counts. so I see no way the Rose is going with a team for Novelty sake when they can't even sell out their own tiny stadium for their biggest game! Plus how many of Minny's games have drawn large TV audiences? I can help with this...NONE! PSU to the Rose if Wisky gets hammered by OSU as expected.
Completely owned us...WHAT! Did you miss the winning TD being overturned by a very curious penalty call! Minny played a perfect game and PSU did not play well and still should have won in the end. PSU has played the toughest schedule in the country and has more wins over ranked teams than most in the top 10 right now. PSU played OSU the #1 team to their toughest game of the season in their building! PSU will be Rose bound on Sunday
Is it better for PR to be in a New Year’s six bowl even in a bad matchup? Oregon will be a very tough out for us. They have a NFL level QB and wide receivers (thanks Juwan). I don’t see us stopping that passing attack.
If I had to guess with percentages:
70% Rose Bowl
10% Outback
10% Orange
10% Cotton
Rose: Unless Wisc. wins outright or keeps it close with OSU this weekend, PSU will be ahead of both Wisc & Minn in final rankings. OSU to CFP and PSU to Rose.
Orange: ACC vs. B1G/SEC/ND - All depends on how many SEC get into CFP. If LSU beats UGA this weekend, LSU in, should drop UGA to Sugar, and probably Bama to Orange. If UGA wins this weekend...LSU and UGA both in CFP, Bama to Sugar and then should open PSU to Orange if not the Rose already. (If PSU in Rose, should put UF, Minn, Wisc to Orange)
Outback: If PSU wouldn't make a NY6 due to conference tie-ins, could see PSU sliding to Outback. Yes, Citrus is higher than Outback, however PSU was just there last year and don't see PSU going back 2 years in a row.
Cotton: If scenario would play out that would somehow keep PSU out of Rose (Ex: Wisc stays ahead of PSU in final rankings) and the Orange spot is filled by an SEC, don't think they would let a 10-2 PSU team slide out of a NY6. They would throw PSU over to the Cotton Bowl against G5 team (Most likely Memphis).
70% Rose Bowl
10% Outback
10% Orange
10% Cotton
Rose: Unless Wisc. wins outright or keeps it close with OSU this weekend, PSU will be ahead of both Wisc & Minn in final rankings. OSU to CFP and PSU to Rose.
Orange: ACC vs. B1G/SEC/ND - All depends on how many SEC get into CFP. If LSU beats UGA this weekend, LSU in, should drop UGA to Sugar, and probably Bama to Orange. If UGA wins this weekend...LSU and UGA both in CFP, Bama to Sugar and then should open PSU to Orange if not the Rose already. (If PSU in Rose, should put UF, Minn, Wisc to Orange)
Outback: If PSU wouldn't make a NY6 due to conference tie-ins, could see PSU sliding to Outback. Yes, Citrus is higher than Outback, however PSU was just there last year and don't see PSU going back 2 years in a row.
Cotton: If scenario would play out that would somehow keep PSU out of Rose (Ex: Wisc stays ahead of PSU in final rankings) and the Orange spot is filled by an SEC, don't think they would let a 10-2 PSU team slide out of a NY6. They would throw PSU over to the Cotton Bowl against G5 team (Most likely Memphis).
Agree with your Cotton. I also do not see them taking 4 SEC teams. I heard Greg McElroy this morning ... he is an ex-Bama QB and a self-admitted SEC Homer... His prediction was:
LSU - CFP
Georgia - Sugar
Highest rated SEC team between Bama/Auburn/Florida - Orange (he thought Bama)
Next highest SEC team between Bama/Auburn/Florida - Cotton
I just would not see them taking 4 SEC teams. There is already enough bias accusation vs. the SEC in this whole thing. Taking SEC non-conf champions over conference champions for the CFP.... then if they somehow took 4 SEC teams ... No, I would not see that happening. I could definitely see the SEC getting 3 teams in, but not 4. I'd have to think that they'd figure a way to put either Penn State (assuming Wiscy goes to Rose) or the OU/Baylor loser into the Cotton.
It is bonkers to think that with their three losses (including one bad loss to a 6-6 Illinois team) that they would go to the Rose Bowl.
Minnesota is 10-2 with a win over PSU. If Minnesota is selected for the Rose Bowl it won't be because of some BS reason. It will be because they earned it.
OK, but you still need some entity to administrate the process of the playoffs - it's not sandlot football where a bunch of guys get together and simply play.Let the play on the field decide who moves onto what. It's obviously not an easy thing to fix or it would have been done already. I just believe that something needs to give.
Whether you have an 8 team or 16 team or 32 team playoff, the entire process needs to be revamped. College football took a step forward with the BCS, then the CFP, and it needs to take another step forward with an overhaul to the process. Which starts at the beginning, not end, of the season.
If PSU gets Rose and Bama in Sugar, then Florida will get the nod in the Orange. It will guarantee a full stadium. (I have no idea how well UVa travels).
The committee looks at the entire body of work... NOT 1 game vs. Penn State. They will look at Minnesota's crappy non-con schedule and see that they actually struggled in those 3 games vs. crap teams. One of them going into OT. They will also look at their schedule vs. the B1G West vs. Penn State's in the B1G East. They will see that Minnesota was the beneficiary of no cross over games vs. either OSU or Michigan.
Not taking anything away from MN. They had a fantastic season. But if you look at the entire "body of work", the only variable MN has over Penn State is the head-to-head win..... granted that is a huge variable..... But if the committee had 5 variables: final ranking, wins vs. top 25 opponents, strength of schedule ..... Penn State would beat out MN in 4 out of 5 of those variables.
1. I doubt we finish ahead of Florida and I wouldn't even be surprised to see Auburn ahead of us. You never know what the criteria-of-the-day will be that the committee will use to rank the teams.
2. Does anyone really want to play Virginia or Boise St in a Bowl game as opposed to Auburn or Florida?! If we don't get the Rose, I'm hoping we drop to the Outback to play a better opponent. I know that's unpopular thinking but, for me, it's all about the match-up and not the Bowl.
No, No, No, No way in h$ll. It means a lot to say to recruits that we have played in a NY6 Bowl 3 out of 4 years. That recruit "could be" the one that gets us over the hump and to the playoffs.
Actually, I think they might, or play them really close. If they don't get into the playoff, then they get Sugar and Bama gets the Orange. Either way, I don't think PSU gets Orange. I still believe it's either Rose or no NY6 bowl for PSU.
because they don't have the balls to not put Alabama in a NY6 Bowl. With the schedule they played they, IMO, are about the 3rd or 4th best 2 loss team. Let Bama go play in the Citrus vs Michigan.
FYI, from the Rose Bowl Website:
https://tournamentofroses.com/rose-bowl-game-presented-by-northwestern-mutual-selection-procedures/
"Should a team from the Big Ten or Pac-12 be selected to go to the College Football Playoff, the Tournament of Roses will traditionally select the next-highest CFP-ranked team from that conference. There is, however, a caveat to that clause in the contract.
“If the next-highest ranked team is in a ‘cluster’ of teams, meaning there is another team or teams from the same conference ranked within several spots of each other, the Tournament of Roses will select the team from that cluster that will result in the best possible matchup for the Rose Bowl Game,” said Rose Bowl Management Committee Chair Scott Jenkins.
In a cluster situation, the Tournament of Roses will take into account factors, in no particular order, such as: the last time a team played in the Rose Bowl Game, head-to-head results, regular season schedule, overall record, opponents played, past playoff or bowl appearances and performance, and historical matchups.
It should be noted that it is the strong preference of the Tournament of Roses, Pac-12 and Big Ten Conferences, that the highest-ranked available team in each conference be selected as the replacement team."
https://tournamentofroses.com/rose-bowl-game-presented-by-northwestern-mutual-selection-procedures/
"Should a team from the Big Ten or Pac-12 be selected to go to the College Football Playoff, the Tournament of Roses will traditionally select the next-highest CFP-ranked team from that conference. There is, however, a caveat to that clause in the contract.
“If the next-highest ranked team is in a ‘cluster’ of teams, meaning there is another team or teams from the same conference ranked within several spots of each other, the Tournament of Roses will select the team from that cluster that will result in the best possible matchup for the Rose Bowl Game,” said Rose Bowl Management Committee Chair Scott Jenkins.
In a cluster situation, the Tournament of Roses will take into account factors, in no particular order, such as: the last time a team played in the Rose Bowl Game, head-to-head results, regular season schedule, overall record, opponents played, past playoff or bowl appearances and performance, and historical matchups.
It should be noted that it is the strong preference of the Tournament of Roses, Pac-12 and Big Ten Conferences, that the highest-ranked available team in each conference be selected as the replacement team."
If Penn State goes to the Outback Bowl, they will lose against whoever they play. Much like last year when no one was excited about playing Kentucky and they lost, the Outback Bowl would be even more of a letdown. We had better hope for a NY6 bid, and not the Cotton Bowl against a G5 team.
That's the spirit! I would think Auburn/Florida would consider the Outback to be just as much of a letdown as we would so I guess the whole game would come down to who wants it the least?
Except we won't be matched up against Auburn or Florida in the Outback. Neither of those teams will fall below the Citrus. It will be Tennessee. And we will want it least regardless.
