I was referencing the part about the KKK being on campus and the feces on the wall. It is indeed a mess over there either way.
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But the police report documents the investigating officer CONFIRMING the existence of a swastika made with feces. So the people who are calling this story a lie are calling the police officer a liar too.
Now to be fair, a majority of the narrative on that last page is blacked out, so who knows what else it goes on to say.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/11/here-is-the-police-report-from-the-mizzou-poop-swastika-incident/
Everybody knows that they did. Maybe not on this board.
Everybody can see the way that they are by the fact that they deny this controversy took place.
LOL.
Look at these little snowflakes flitting around trying to reframe ENTIRE STORIES...not even just one story anymore. What a life that must be.
Well, it just got stranger. Now, the Black protesters are segregating their members by race. Basically told their White allies to take a hike. You can't make this stuff up.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/11/mizzou-protesters-now-segregating-their-members-by-race/
This is coming from the same publication you linked us to. So either the police report and this link I gave are bogus, or things are really getting bizarre out there.
I think you are missing my point, but that's ok. Anytime this much media and attention is focused on one thing it usually gets strange.
However that wasn't my point. My point was to debunk the notion that the original accusations were either "lies" or had "no evidence to support them". The facts show that the police confirmed the existence of the swasitka (not this website) in their official incident report and it isn't proper to call the other claim about the racial slur from the pickup truck a lie, because it would be hard pressed to disprove (though that doesn't make it true either).
While I have no idea what was deleted, you yourself are not exactly telling the whole story. It seems to be your claim that these incidents are either partial or whole lies, and are events that aren't "documented". This is clearly not true, as my last few posts note. The police report documents the existence of the swastika. So if you are FOR truth then you should recognize that fact.
I dare you to fully quote any one of my posts where I claim that these incidents are lies. I'm tired of your ilk just misquoting or labelling anyone that doesn't agree with you. IT IS DISHONEST. YOU ARE DISHONEST. Every post I comment on this issue says that those events are allegations without documentation and from what I've read not even an identified assailant. I've been careful to say that could be true and accurate but there is nothing to corroborate that. Further, these allegations are made by interesting people. Student government, journalism instructor, son of multi-millionaire taking up the cause and having the gall to attack and call someone else privileged because of the color of their skin!
Honest question. What does his families bank account have to do with anything?
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I think his point is that money buys you privilege. I would agree, but am not blind to the fact that one's race also buys you privilege (and not just in America)... If you think money is the be all end all of privilege, I'd suggest asking Oprah what she thought about being told by a store clerk in Switzerland that a $38,000 handbag was 'too expensive' for her....LOL.
So rich people cannot face discrimination? I miss the signals, are rich people tattooed somewhere? Is there a secret sign? Maybe had he advertised his wealth, nobody would have discriminated against him? Or since he has wealth he just needed to STFU I guess.
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I am dishonest?
Your words: "all evidence of racism towards blacks in this thing are undocumented firsthand accounts of the accusers who all happen to be black STUDENT GOVERNMENT LEADERS and a black JOURNALISM instructor. Did they really occur? Maybe"
This is a lie. The evidence was document at the time of reporting by the POLICE.
So are a rich black man and a rich white man treated the same in America? You see that is the point, and it has been made by many rich black folks.
Poor whites are not treated the same as poor blacks (see prison population)
Rich whites are not treated the same as rich blacks.
Rich are not treated the same as poor.
They are all valid statements. The accuser being rich doesn't remove the factor of race from the argument.
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If I haven't made it clear in previous posts - I agree with you.
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Where is Obliviax? I need him to pick some lottery numbers for me....(current scene at Penn State, though I'm reading this is just a 'demonstration' and students are reading quotes and sharing personal experiences):
YES!!!! You are completely dishonest. There is a reason I said to quote any post in whole because dishonest people like you pull the words out of context (mid-sentence if it fits your agenda, distort their intention, and find red herrings in semantics as they parse your fragments of a statement. What I wrote in its entirety is below and I stand by it. And no shit that police document an allegation. Good God you are dense. Is there documented evidence? You'd need to be an idiot or just plain dishonest to not understand that I was speaking to actual evidence beyond the accusers own statements even if documented by police. Reread it and tell me you didn't know that was to what I referred.
I am really skeptical of this entire story at this point. Initially I was just critical of the first demand to the university president which was a racist and sexist attack on him. I didn't really know why the racial unrest occurred leading to that demand.
Now that I read accounts of events leading to this thing, I am more concerned than ever at what has transpired.
- So there were accusations of racial slurs initially against the black student association president and then a black student government group. At this point, there is no evidence that this was documented evidence, just an accusation against unidentified people.
- Then you have black protesters surrounding the university president’s car for 15 minutes in the homecoming parade which required police to disperse. This account is very well documented and was very likely perceived as a physical threat.
- Then you have a black journalism instructor making an accusation of racial slur at a truck driving by with a confederate flag on it. Again, there is no evidence beyond her account.
- Then presumably a student makes a shit swastika but apparently no one attempts to gather physical or other evidence that might identify who would commit this hate crime. Seems that Jewish students would be most concerned.
- Then you have a black student activist as he is described going on a hunger strike and making a list of demands, the first of which is a racist and sexist demand to the university president to resign immediately and admit his “white male privilege”.
- Then you have a video gone viral of a black mass media instructor inciting physical means to forcibly remove an Asian student reporter from their demonstration in direct violation of 1st amendment rights on the public grounds.
If you look at this whole situation through the lens of evidence, it is incredibly disturbing.
First of all, all evidence of racism towards blacks in this thing are undocumented firsthand accounts of the accusers who all happen to be black STUDENT GOVERNMENT LEADERS and a black JOURNALISM instructor. Did they really occur? Maybe, but the only evidence is their accusations against unidentified people. Maybe this is all manufactured? That is just as plausible from the evidence and the proximity to Ferguson.
Second, the actions of the protesters are 3 well documented verbal and physical threats to other races with a heavy dose of racism from the protesters. White male privilege? Physically surrounding a vehicle so it cannot pass? Forcibly removing a reporter of the wrong race?
Lastly, they achieved their objective. This is a proof of concept that in America today, with zero documented evidence racism could be manufactured (only a possibility here since there is no documented evidence to support or refute) and then used to proliferate racism against another race to verbally and physically threaten them and ultimately remove them.
Sorry people. Whether you believe that racism existed at that university or not, this is a horrifying precedent. Think about it. You can say that someone hurled racist remarks at you and then you can apparently use that to destroy someone and their livelihood. Is this really America?
Im curious..... how many of the Jewish students have threatened and demanded "justice" because 1 person supposedly painted a swastika?
Last time I check million of Jews were killed at the hands of the Natzie's ..... so why aren't they protesting and throwing a hissy fit?
Last time I check million of Jews were killed at the hands of the Natzie's ..... so why aren't they protesting and throwing a hissy fit?
I don't know how anyone can justify a STUDENT who may have never even worked a day in his life and who's dad pulls in $7mil a year DEMANDING that a UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT admit that the president enjoys any sort of privilege (i.e. he didn't earn his lot in life) because the president had not reacted to this student's satisfaction to a few instances of at present alleged racist words said by unidentified persons in passing unsubstantiated by any evidence whatsoever. Now throw in that this kid hurled a sexist and racist remark at the president and potentially was involved or at least precipitated physically impeding the president at homecoming.
Meanwhile, with ZERO evidence in these instances of alleged racist WORDS, the president has lost his livelihood and career. Who enjoyed privilege? Now I would not be surprised to see the president and the other administrator go after rich daddy's money as they were slandered and ruined by this kid's racist demand.
In addition, where were the Jewish kids gathering in the cafeteria yelling in a threatening manner to innocent bystanders that if you mess with one you mess with us all?
Heck Im still waiting for the Jewish kinds to burn down, destroy, and loot half the campus just so I can see if MSMBC and our President call their actions "social unrest"!
I also find it ironic and rater pathetic that when a few PSU student turn over a TV van to express their frustration on how Paterno was treated it was called a "riot"!!!
I also find it ironic and rater pathetic that when a few PSU student turn over a TV van to express their frustration on how Paterno was treated it was called a "riot"!!!
I seriously think you have trouble with word meanings.
A symbol well documented to be used by white supremacy/neo-nazis (i.e. Racists) was placed on a wall in a dorm of black students and CONFIRMED TO BE THERE BY A POLICE OFFICER. By definition that is documented evidence by a second party.
Of course now we ALSO know that there ARE pictures of it in the police report too.
The situation at Missou reminds me of my time at Penn State. Rashad Casey and other black athletes received death threats via email. Black Student Association organized a camp out at the Hub (essentially taking it over) and had a list of demands for PSU's administration. There were reports of a dead body found in the woods (rumor that is was a black student). The administration, in its infinite wisdom, attempted to organize a rally against racism and rumors were that the Black Panthers were coming up from Philly to protest. It was a tense time on campus. In the end, the emails were traced to San Diego and the body in the woods was unrelated. The rally was cancelled, the Black Panthers never arrived, and the administration beefed up African American studies.
The difference at MIssou is that apparently race issues have been decades in the making and the President didn't take them seriously and for whatever reason didn't handle this situation well and let it get out of control. Spanier didn't handle it well initially either, but met with those concerned and was able to diffuse the situation.
The difference at MIssou is that apparently race issues have been decades in the making and the President didn't take them seriously and for whatever reason didn't handle this situation well and let it get out of control. Spanier didn't handle it well initially either, but met with those concerned and was able to diffuse the situation.
Actually, I think those Emails were traced to a computer lab on the Campus Of Temple University in Philadelphia. That's when the media dropped the story like a hot potato.
I have not heard about their issue being a decades long thing. Is there documented history that we have not heard? As far as I've heard the first reported issue was in Sept according to Dead Spin posted earlier in this thread.
These issues are not isolated. Black students raised similar concerns when I attended Penn State, and at Maine and in Arkansas. The sad thing is that white students routinely denied there was a problem and said racism was part of the grandparents generation, not theirs. But segregation/cultural isolation still existed in more subtle forms. For example, white students said they had nothing in common with black students because they didn't listen to rap music. Black students felt white students perceived them as being on athletic scholarships rather than academic scholarships.
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lion99. Just read the updated version of the Police Report.
If I'm reading it right, it appears that the swastika was more than likely "drawn" by one of the Black students in the dorm. He had used a racial slur towards a White kid in anger the week before (called him a bi+ch a$$ n*g**r) , and had been threatening a Jewish Fraternity. Much of the police report description is redacted.
It seems that since this was considered such a hate crime that a University President lost his job over it (one of the few tangible examples of racism that can be proven), that a sample would have been taken to run a DNA check. Would be pretty easy to match the DNA to either the Black kid in question, or someone else in that dorm (like the White kid that was verbally assaulted a week or so earlier).
Would love to see the rest of that report. Must be a reason the police are holding back almost an entire page.
He demanded the President acknowledge his white privilege and apologize. You don't think it's a bit hypocritical that he's a person of privilege himself?
He led protests about the loss of health insurance and student housing back in August.
Boy how times have changed. If ANYONE ever told me they were on scholarship back when I went to school, I automatically assumed athletic scholarship. Shows you how smart I was.
And to be honest with you, I must be "culturally isolated" from both races because ALL the new music that you hear now is manufactured crap.
More dishonesty. At the time of the post that is quoted, no one indicated a police report about your Jewish hate symbol. Hence my bullet #4 where I asked why no evidence from this was taken and why there was no attempt to find out who did it. I do have one question remaining though, why was there no physical evidence examined? A photo can be evidence, but there is physical evidence which could lead to identifying a culprit.
Right now we don't know if it is a deranged student who sought to intimidate, or incite, or further a political cause and justify a need to protest. But if a cop can take a picture then they can take physical evidence. There is DNA in that shit. Who's DNA is it? Don't you think a cop may want to find out who committed a hate crime? And then there is this. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/ So is the picture that you claim the one that they debunk in this article?
Additionally, this shit was reported in Gateway Hall, according to you, a black student dorm. Do they really segregate dorms as you state? Seems really backward and I've found no evidence in Missou's Residence life to suggest they do. I did however find that Gateway is the home of the Carver Themed Learning Environment, aka Math and Science community. Not sure how that would be associated with black dorm as you stated but I've found that mostly your side just makes up stuff and hopes that no one has the patience to look it up call your lies out. I and others have been misquoted, slandered, and caught you guys making up lies about the situation like hearing about incidents months before they occurred. Basically, the more you guys spin, the less people should believe. You guys want to start posting evidence and making claims like decades long racial issues. Start citing the sources because right now all I see is dishonesty and misdirection and deflection/unwillingness to answer legitimate questions.
The second part of your post is meaningless considering his position. I don't think he said economic privilege? His tactics were a bit immature and out of bounds, but I can't deny there is possibly some racial issues. Some want to deny it or don't like hearing about it. I get that, but the problem isn't a quick or overnight fix.
Meaningless? Apparently this little rich boy will protest anything. He has lead protests on 3 different injustices this semester and you think that legitimatizes his concerns? Is he studying to be a professional protester? We know that the left has paid protesters, is this his life ambition? Because apparently this kid would protest his bus showing up 1 minute late, his dinner getting cold while he finished his video game, his daddy not increasing his allowance. Do you not see a pattern of concern from a rich child who will protest at the drop of a hat being the face of this cause?
I have been caught making up lies? It is you who said none of this stuff has documented evidence but you are wrong on at least two counts. Besides the now debunked "there's no evidence a swastika was there" crap you wrote, there is also this:
"The MU Police Department identified the person who allegedly disrupted the Legion of Black Collegians 2015 Homecoming Royalty Court rehearsal on Sunday night, according to a statement from the Office of the Chancellor."
Yet you stated this:
"First of all, all evidence of racism towards blacks in this thing are undocumented firsthand accounts of the accusers who all happen to be black STUDENT GOVERNMENT LEADERS and a black JOURNALISM instructor. Did they really occur? Maybe, but the only evidence is their accusations against unidentified people. Maybe this is all manufactured? That is just as plausible from the evidence and the proximity to Ferguson."
How about you just admit your error and move on? You saw the evidence as you wanted to see it.
"The MU Police Department identified the person who allegedly disrupted the Legion of Black Collegians 2015 Homecoming Royalty Court rehearsal on Sunday night, according to a statement from the Office of the Chancellor."
Yet you stated this:
"First of all, all evidence of racism towards blacks in this thing are undocumented firsthand accounts of the accusers who all happen to be black STUDENT GOVERNMENT LEADERS and a black JOURNALISM instructor. Did they really occur? Maybe, but the only evidence is their accusations against unidentified people. Maybe this is all manufactured? That is just as plausible from the evidence and the proximity to Ferguson."
How about you just admit your error and move on? You saw the evidence as you wanted to see it.
Honest question, why is there a separate Black Student Government at Missouri? I don't recall separate student government at Penn State. Is there a separate Hispanic Student Government at Missouri? How about Asian SG? It appears that the actual student government president is a Black student so why would their be a need for a separate Black Student Government if the school is inclusive enough to elect a Black student as the president?
I am seriously not understanding what appears to me to be intentional self-segregation. People have a natural tendency to group with people like them with similar interests but if you purposely segregate then you are being divisive and exclusionary. Can a white student be in the Black Student Government? We've seen that they are kicked out of their current protests because of the color of their skin.
Also, is this really MLKs vision? Separate Black this and Black that? It seems that this group cares most about the color of their skin and that someone else doesn't share that skin color. Hence, the "white male privilege" demand, the Asian student reporter physically getting the boot, the white students not being accepted in support of their cause. It doesn't feel like this is about treating everyone equally and with respect, the protesters actions over and over seem to demand separate and special treatment. I hope that I am wrong about this observation and that maybe there is more to it because that would stoke more racism on all sides to segregate and expect different treatment.
To me, it is about treating everyone equally and giving the same opportunities and not even listing the race on a form. Can you do the job? What have you produced? What were your results? Not meet this quota, what did this race's government want, or give an opportunity to one race over another instead of by financial need or actual qualifications. I don't want a separate Black America, Hispanic America, Asian America. I want a strong America that is a blend of background's that came together to make us great.
I am seriously not understanding what appears to me to be intentional self-segregation. People have a natural tendency to group with people like them with similar interests but if you purposely segregate then you are being divisive and exclusionary. Can a white student be in the Black Student Government? We've seen that they are kicked out of their current protests because of the color of their skin.
Also, is this really MLKs vision? Separate Black this and Black that? It seems that this group cares most about the color of their skin and that someone else doesn't share that skin color. Hence, the "white male privilege" demand, the Asian student reporter physically getting the boot, the white students not being accepted in support of their cause. It doesn't feel like this is about treating everyone equally and with respect, the protesters actions over and over seem to demand separate and special treatment. I hope that I am wrong about this observation and that maybe there is more to it because that would stoke more racism on all sides to segregate and expect different treatment.
To me, it is about treating everyone equally and giving the same opportunities and not even listing the race on a form. Can you do the job? What have you produced? What were your results? Not meet this quota, what did this race's government want, or give an opportunity to one race over another instead of by financial need or actual qualifications. I don't want a separate Black America, Hispanic America, Asian America. I want a strong America that is a blend of background's that came together to make us great.
Yes that's it Einstein.
LOL. People have been watching you cry wolf here all week.
When was this article posted on this forum relative to my post? You shared it 17 minutes ago according to the timestamp on the post as I write. What I had written was now days ago. Why do you assume that I knew about something that I just learned of this morning when I posted days ago. Even still you assume guilt when the article says allegedly. And they may have someone who said the "n" word, I don't know for certain and neither do you, nor do we know the full circumstances. The kid in question said after being told to leave an apparently public place at 1 am “these ******s are getting aggressive with me.”. What was said to this kid? Was he forced to leave because of his race? We don't know these things from this article that you JUST posted. But I do know that I can't post about information before I learn of it and you know that too so it is very dishonest for you to claim I've lied about something days ago that was just shared on this board this morning.
Also, you again have purposely misquoted me. Above you write and used quotations, the following:
Besides the now debunked "there's no evidence a swastika was there" crap you wrote
I have not typed the words that you attribute to me in the quotes and it is a blatant misrepresentation of what I've written about it. I have stated that they did not take evidence that I am aware of from this poop hate and therefore we don't know who did it or why and I also linked an article in which they debunk a picture that has been floating around on the internet which is not the poop hate in question. Also, another poster above presents information which suggests that the poop artist was likely a black student.
So are you willing to address this black student who allegedly drew a poop symbol a week after making racist comments to a white student and threatening a Jewish fraternity? You do realize the poop hate was not in a black dorm as you previously stated but rather in a math and science living community.
You are simply dishonest. I think ANYONE reading who isn't attempting to lie for you knows it. Stop misquoting people. Stop your pulling things out of context and trying to make them sound as if they were intended to mean something else. Stop making up things like this being in a black dorm when a quick internet search will easily disprove it. If you want to support your side of the argument, do it with facts and cite articles. I commend you for posting the article this morning about the incident with the Black Legion and the white student who allegedly felt threaten upon being forced to leave and used the "n" word. That was new information in this discussion. That's what we need. More information and less assumptions. Also, less dishonesty. Let's keep the discussions civil.
