And the committee chose Ohio State because

[TJ8869]

Ohio State sucked when the chips were down against PSU and they really, really sucked tonight.

You're right, they sucked tonight. But it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there. Michigan State and Oklahoma got smoked last year but it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there. Florida State got smoked the year before that but it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there.

So far, 5 of the 6 semifinal games have been blowouts. That doesn't mean the committee chose the wrong teams.

 

[TJ8869]

ur right. so allow me to re-phrase... penn state is left to hold the banner of this piss poor bunch of schmucks. great spirit in the sky help us all if wisky loses.

Don't forget about Iowa.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

You're right, they sucked tonight. But it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there. Michigan State and Oklahoma got smoked last year but it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there. Florida State got smoked the year before that but it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there.

So far, 5 of the 6 semifinal games have been blowouts. That doesn't mean the committee chose the wrong teams.

Doesn't mean they got the right teams either. G'night.

 

[TJ8869]

Doesn't mean they got the right teams either. G'night.

Who should have been in over Oklahoma and Michigan State last year? Who should have been in over Florida State the year before that?

 

[Monlion]

you mean a 2 loss team that is champions of a conf that is is 2 and 5 in bowls.

It's not necessary to try again when you get it right the first time. I'll give you an example of why I'm correct:

The Arizona Cardinals have a better divisional record than the Seattle Seahawks right now. Their conference records are identical and the Cardinals have a better record in head-to-head games. But some crazy how, Seattle is going to the playoffs while Arizona stays home. Why? Because Seattle has a better overall record.

The first four selection criteria for determining the NFL playoff qualifiers is the four division champions. In your example by the selection criteria Seattle was the division champion just as PSU was the the division, conference and head to head champion. OSU proved tonight they did not deserve to be in, there is no way PSU would have been shutout and beaten by 31 points. However, that said, if Penn State loses on Monday then it doesn't matter, but if Penn State beats SC then there is a very strong argument that Penn State should have been one of the four playoff teams.

 

[cp4psu]

Was Penn State still improving in week 10 when they had to come from behind in the final 4 minutes to avoid getting upset by an Indiana team that lost 7 games?

So how did osu fare against MSU?? Oh ya you beat them by 1!!! Real impressive!! Did you see our score V the Spartans???

Wait a wins a win right???

 

[N&B4PSU]

Don't forget about Iowa.

you mean the team we slaughtered? in truth, i like them. but anyone who isn't using our game vs usc as the banner waver either isn't following the bouncing ball or can't dance. iowa and wisky both have games that have meaning.. but if we don;t beat usc, this conference is... as was so well put in Braveheart... fooked.

 

[Howie'81]

You're right, they sucked tonight. But it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there. Michigan State and Oklahoma got smoked last year but it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there. Florida State got smoked the year before that but it doesn't change the fact that they earned the right to be there.

So far, 5 of the 6 semifinal games have been blowouts. That doesn't mean the committee chose the wrong teams.

Let me be blunt: OSU "earned" sh*t. They were invited based on opinions. It's not a true playoff. It's an invitational dummy.

 

[TJ8869]

So how did osu fare against MSU?? Oh ya you beat them by 1!!! Real impressive!! Did you see our score V the Spartans???

Wait a wins a win right???

Trust me when I tell you that you don't want to get into a comparative scores versus common opponents argument. Because - spoiler alert - it doesn't end well for you.

 

[Waltwam]

Winning the Big Ten is important if you want to go to Pasadena. Not losing a non-conference game to Pitt is important if you want to play for the crystal trophy.

Just remember the team that clobbered you tonight also lost to Pitt

 

[TJ8869]

The first four selection criteria for determining the NFL playoff qualifiers is the four division champions. In your example by the selection criteria Seattle was the division champion just as PSU was the the division, conference and head to head champion. OSU proved tonight they did not deserve to be in, there is no way PSU would have been shutout and beaten by 31 points. However, that said, if Penn State loses on Monday then it doesn't matter, but if Penn State beats SC then there is a very strong argument that Penn State should have been one of the four playoff teams.

Not that it really matters, but there are 8 divisions in the NFL, not 4. But that's beside the point that you missed entirely.

You stated that "in any other sport other than fbs PSU is in the playoffs over OSU" by virtue of being division and conference champs. The problem with your argument is that in almost any other sport other than FBS, Penn State would not have been the division or conference champion because they didn't have the best overall record. In almost any other sport other than FBS, Penn State would have been watching Ohio State play a rematch with Wisconsin on December 3.

 

[Waltwam]

you mean a 2 loss team that is champions of a conf that is is 2 and 5 in bowls.

Well, after Monday, one of us is gonna have to shut their mouths!

 

[TJ8869]

Just remember the team that clobbered you tonight also lost to Pitt

Again, nobody clobbered me tonight. And you need to remember that you also lost to Pitt.

 

[DPDWU]

I ask again, is USC better than Washington?

I actually think they are since they switched qbs

 

[Waltwam]

Not that it really matters, but there are 8 divisions in the NFL, not 4. But that's beside the point that you missed entirely.

You stated that "in any other sport other than fbs PSU is in the playoffs over OSU" by virtue of being division and conference champs. The problem with your argument is that in almost any other sport other than FBS, Penn State would not have been the division or conference champion because they didn't have the best overall record. In almost any other sport other than FBS, Penn State would have been watching Ohio State play a rematch with Wisconsin on December 3.

And we would have watched Wisconsin kick their butts. OSU clearly did not show a lot of improvement as the season progressed. Neither did Michigan.

 

[Monlion]

Trust me when I tell you that you don't want to get into a comparative scores versus common opponents argument. Because - spoiler alert - it doesn't end well for you.

Who is your team, because when you compare common oponents between OSU and PSU there is not much difference other than the Michigan and MSU games.

 

[marisa45]

lol, dude.

The Ravens lost 3 straight games then beat 4-12 Cincinnati, 13-3 Conf. Champs Tennessee, 5-11 Dallas, and 3-12 Cleveland. They finished the season with a 4-game winning streak with 3 games against the bottom 6 teams in the league. I'm not going to look it up, but I'm going to guess that half of all Super Bowl winners won 6-7 straight games to finish the season, considering it takes 3-4 playoff wins. There was nothing special about the end of the Raven's season, other than they won the Super Bowl.

Edit: probably should address your last sentence. Since the Wild Card was added in 1978, only 6 non-division champions have won the Super Bowl. So 84% of the Super Bowl winners over that time were conference champs that had the best overall records, not division.

Glass half full vs Glass half empty. I hear 84% and see 16% of teams who won it all against the odds. Maybe you see something different. Maybe you see a group of teams that probably doesn't belong there to begin with and should be ignored. Statistical anomalies. My point is that is why you play the games and why you have to win the games.

Hierarchy playoffs are BS.

 

[Waltwam]

Again, nobody clobbered me tonight. And you need to remember that you also lost to Pitt.

Again, nobody clobbered me tonight. And you need to remember that you also lost to Pitt.

Then why are you fighting for OSU?

yes, but lost two other games. mich killed psu head to head and had one other close loss to a very good team. you are so big on head to head, i would think you would say mich deserves a playoff more than you.

maybe Until they lost 2 of their last 3 games

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Not that it really matters, but there are 8 divisions in the NFL, not 4. But that's beside the point that you missed entirely.

You stated that "in any other sport other than fbs PSU is in the playoffs over OSU" by virtue of being division and conference champs. The problem with your argument is that in almost any other sport other than FBS, Penn State would not have been the division or conference champion because they didn't have the best overall record. In almost any other sport other than FBS, Penn State would have been watching Ohio State play a rematch with Wisconsin on December 3.

0-31

 

[Monlion]

Again, nobody clobbered me tonight. And you need to remember that you also lost to Pitt.

So did Clemson.

 

[TJ8869]

0-31

39-42
10-49

 

[TJ8869]

Then why are you fighting for OSU?

I'm not fighting for OSU. I'm explaining to you guys why Penn State didn't make the playoffs.

 

[topdecktiger]

You're either conference champion or you are not. It is first criteria to getting there. Ahia State didn't win a division of it's conference.

No it's not. There is no order for the criteria.

Deserve means nothing. All P5 conference champions should be in, with 3 wild card teams. The five champions should be seeded, then the 3 wild cards seeded below them, with the top four having home games, regardless of site or weather. The next round is the bowls played today. Then the title game.

The reason that doesn't happen is precisely because of the bowls. That's the reason college football has always had such a screwed up postseason.

At least Washington won their conference. If there is going to be a playoff, then winning something had to be a criteria to get in. That's the way it's always been in sports. You can't just pick a team because you think they're better...it doesn't work that way. Want proof? You saw it today.

In other sports, you don't pick the teams in the first place. You simply get in by winning your conference or division.

By your tone and logic I would say: 1) You're young and 2) You're progressive. History is a problem for both. Look up 2001 Baltimore Ravens and maybe then you will understand why you WIN ON THE FIELD!!!!!

That's the entire problem. There is no way to win your way in on the field in college football.

The ACC had Clemson and FSU...Louisville folded like a cheap suit anytime they played someone other than early against FSU. The Big 10 was better than both of those conferences but not by a lot

The ACC was 3-1 vs the Big Ten during the regular season, and 3-1 in the bowl games. That includes beating the Big Ten champ, playoff representative, and NY6 representative. Hard to say the Big Ten was better than the ACC.

The first four selection criteria for determining the NFL playoff qualifiers is the four division champions.

There is no selection process in the NFL. Teams aren't selected. They qualify based on number of wins.

 

[TJ8869]

Who is your team, because when you compare common oponents between OSU and PSU there is not much difference other than the Michigan and MSU games.

I'm an Iowa fan.

If you want to talk about common opponents between Penn State and Ohio State then you can't just bring up Michigan State and then run for cover. Ohio State beat Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana all by larger margins than Penn State did. And that's before you factor in the deep, yawning chasm between how Ohio State and Penn State each fared against Michigan.

 

[demlion]

I'm an Iowa fan.

If you want to talk about common opponents between Penn State and Ohio State then you can't just bring up Michigan State and then run for cover. Ohio State beat Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana all by larger margins than Penn State did. And that's before you factor in the deep, yawning chasm between how Ohio State and Penn State each fared against Michigan.

An Iowa fan. That explains a certain pained tone you have had for some time now. Ouch.

 

[Monlion]

No it's not. There is no order for the criteria.



The reason that doesn't happen is precisely because of the bowls. That's the reason college football has always had such a screwed up postseason.



In other sports, you don't pick the teams in the first place. You simply get in by winning your conference or division.



That's the entire problem. There is no way to win your way in on the field in college football.



The ACC was 3-1 vs the Big Ten during the regular season, and 3-1 in the bowl games. That includes beating the Big Ten champ, playoff representative, and NY6 representative. Hard to say the Big Ten was better than the ACC.



There is no selection process in the NFL. Teams aren't selected. They qualify based on number of wins.

The first four "seedings" are based on division champions. Penn State was a division and conference champion.

 

[topdecktiger]

The first four "seedings" are based on division champions. Penn State was a division and conference champion.

No, that's incorrect. The committee doesn't rank teams based on division championships. Go to the CFP website. The committee selects the "4 best teams." When teams are similar, they use things like head-to-head, conference championships, strength of schedule, common opponent, etc. Most of the time, conference champs are ahead in that category, hence why conference champs are usually ranked the highest. IT's not a requirement though.

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

Rebuttal: PENN STATE, B1G CHAMPIONS

That (should be) one hell of a rebuttal.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

39-42
10-49

14-41

 

[BUFFALO LION]

11/5 was a pretty rough night. You guys put a pretty big knot on our heads. But I take some solace in knowing we've won 9 of the last 14.

Full disclosure, Penn State used to be one of the teams I always rooted for when they weren't playing Iowa - long before they joined the Big Ten. I always liked the way Paterno's teams demonstrated class.

I recall rooting for Penn State all the way back to the 1987 Fiesta Bowl against Miami when the Penn State players got off the plane wearing suits and the Miami players got off the plane wearing camouflage fatigues. I've always despised the renegade programs.

My attitude toward Penn State changed dramatically about 5 years ago. And it wasn't just that I think the people in charge of Penn State's football program should have done more - anything, really - to stop Sandusky from raping children. At a time when they should have turned him over to the authorities they instead made him "Coach Emeritus" and gave him keys to all the athletic facilities.

It was much more than just that. It was the way so many Penn State fans started lashing out at the media and the Big Ten and the NCAA and other fanbases and basically everyone except the people in charge of their football program who should have done more to stop Sandusky from raping children.

This is the REAL reason Ohio State was given the Participation Trophy. There was no way the Selection Comittee wanted to deal with answering "uncomfortable" questions about Penn State in a 4 team Playoff. It wasn't Delany that wanted them out. It was everyone else.

Along with everything else mentioned in other posts, Penn State played a FAR tougher cross division schedule. And started the year playing with a new defensive coordinator, a new offensive coordinator, and a 180 degree different new offensive system. Penn State was basically running into each other on offense the first 4 games until they got their act together. By the end of the year, on the battlefield, Penn State was by far the best team in the Big Ten.

Change the names on the front of the jerseys, with the same resumes, and Ohio State is still in the 4 team playoff. Only difference is that Ohio State would have gotten in with FAR fewer questions asked, and would have actually earned it on the battlefield.

I think at this point, we can all agree that Ohio State was nothing more than a beauty queen, soft, non-battle tested, entitled fraud.

 

[Indian rocks rich]

The only thing that matters. USC USC USC USC USC USC USC USC. THAT PSU CAN CONTROL

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

It's not necessary to try again when you get it right the first time. I'll give you an example of why I'm correct:

The Arizona Cardinals have a better divisional record than the Seattle Seahawks right now. Their conference records are identical and the Cardinals have a better record in head-to-head games. But some crazy how, Seattle is going to the playoffs while Arizona stays home. Why? Because Seattle has a better overall record.

So again, your claim is Western Michigan should have been there which they FACTUALLY were not.....sorry, WRONG AGAIN loser!

 

[phillybillyreprise]

Hey PSU fans, remember it's :

USC, USC, USC, USC, USC!

It's all that the team can focus on and control. Then, the discussion continues.

 

[YorkCoLion]

You are right TJ. We should be held out of all post season games and awards because we once lost to Michigan by 39. No one else lost games and there were no extenuating circumstances. You win the argument, we suck! All hail our new Michigan overlords!

 

[YorkCoLion]

you mean a 2 loss team that is champions of a conf that is is 2 and 5 in bowls.

Guess we will find out tomorrow, typical loud-mouthed Trojan. Hope your 3 loss team that should not be in the Rose Bowl in the first place is able to back up all the $hit you talk about PSU.

 

[maxxedout]

The B1G really needs two wins tomorrow. Is the record 2-6 now?

 

[CJsE]

You are right TJ. We should be held out of all post season games and awards because we once lost to Michigan by 39. No one else lost games and there were no extenuating circumstances. You win the argument, we suck! All hail our new Michigan overlords!

Don't forget losing to Pitt. A 1-loss team got in over a 2-loss team.

 

[TJ8869]

Along with everything else mentioned in other posts, Penn State played a FAR tougher cross division schedule.

I would love to hear your rationale for this statement. If you look at just the three regular season cross division games then Ohio State's schedule was much tougher. And even if you include the BTT game, Penn State's schedule was at best equal to Ohio State's. I'm curious to hear your explanation for your claim that Penn State's schedule was FAR tougher.

 

[TJ8869]

So again, your claim is Western Michigan should have been there which they FACTUALLY were not.....sorry, WRONG AGAIN loser!

Are your interactions with me an accurate representation of your typical contributions here? Or do you occasionally post coherent thoughts?

 

[TJ8869]

14-41

That would be an excellent rebuttal point if anyone here was arguing that Iowa should be in the playoff.