And thus the CJF to USC rumors swirl

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

You keep using USCs best decade in 40 years (and forfeited a natty for cheating) in comparison to PSU's worst. Big f'n deal that USC was 1st in 2015. PSU was 5th in 2017 and Franklin is taking the program to elite level status. I fully believe he'll consistently recruit top ten w/ top 5-1 sprinkled in.

USC won two NCs in the 70s. Again, Franklin is and can do well at PSU - he would probably do better at USC. There just isn’t an OSU for him to deal with each and every year on the field or for recruits.

I’d add that PSU has had much better on the field success than USC the past five years but is recruiting about the same. Why is that?

 

[bmw199]

There just isn’t an OSU for him to deal with each and every year on the field or for recruits.

3 and a half weeks from now this might look like a silly comment.

 

[PearlSUJam]

USC won two NCs in the 70s. Again, Franklin is and can do well at PSU - he would probably do better at USC. There just isn’t an OSU for him to deal with each and every year on the field or for recruits.

I’d add that PSU has had much better on the field success than USC the past five years but is recruiting about the same. Why is that?

With CJF's comments about disliking the transfer portal and now the player compensation rules changeing in 2021, I'd argue he's more likely to go to the NFL than USC because as we know the NCAA does nothing but screw things up constantly. At least with the NFL, you know where you stand with the rules.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

With CJF's comments about disliking the transfer portal and now the player compensation rules changeing in 2021, I'd argue he's more likely to go to the NFL than USC because as we know the NCAA does nothing but screw things up constantly. At least with the NFL, you know where you stand with the rules.

I can’t ever see CJF as a Head Coach in the NFL. E V E R !

His biggest strength (IMHO) is recruiting. His biggest weakness (again, IMHO) by far is the 3+ hours from kickoff to the final whistle.

His make-up IS to be a CFB Head Coach.

 

[wolve1972]

I can’t ever see CJF as a Head Coach in the NFL. E V E R !

His biggest strength (IMHO) is recruiting. His biggest weakness (again, IMHO) by far is the 3+ hours from kickoff to the final whistle.

His make-up IS to be a CFB Head Coach.

Urban Meyer - version 2

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

3 and a half weeks from now this might look like a silly comment.

Hope so!

 

[PearlSUJam]

I can’t ever see CJF as a Head Coach in the NFL. E V E R !

His biggest strength (IMHO) is recruiting. His biggest weakness (again, IMHO) by far is the 3+ hours from kickoff to the final whistle.

His make-up IS to be a CFB Head Coach.

Right. This whole thread is nonsense so I figured I'd add to the steaming pile of crap. Manure anyone?

 

[SUPERTODD]

Urban Meyer - version 2

In the whole galaxy of idiotic things you bring to this board, and your stupid comments are literally as numerous as the stars, this might be the dumbest.

Urban Meyer is top 5 all time in terms of greatest college football coaches in history. He is so much better than anyone who has ever coached at Michigan it’s hardly even worth mentioning. He has an .854 career winning percentage which includes an .800 (12-3) career record in Bowl games. He has never won LESS than 8 games in a season and this is a guy who coached at Bowling Green and Utah.

I hate him and think he is one of the most dishonest coaches to have ever coached, but what separates most beings who possess higher reasoning skills, from well you, is that we can distinguish facts from what we wish or imagine to be true. You bring nothing of value to this board and have even lost the novelty and amusement factor. Please go away and never come back.

 

[JusticeBarkley]

3 and a half weeks from now this might look like a silly comment.

Why would it look silly? Even if we win or blow them out we still have to deal with Ohio State every year which is more difficult than anyone in the Pac XII South or the Pac XII as a whole. Just like Penn State is tougher than anyone in the Pac XII South or the Pac XII as a whole.

 

[L.A.Lion]

The house Franklin was going to buy burned last night, so now he’s forced to stay in Centre County.

 

[Ughhh]

Why would it look silly? Even if we win or blow them out we still have to deal with Ohio State every year which is more difficult than anyone in the Pac XII South or the Pac XII as a whole. Just like Penn State is tougher than anyone in the Pac XII South or the Pac XII as a whole.

Ryan Day and Pip to USC!

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

The house Franklin was going to buy burned last night, so now he’s forced to stay in Centre County.

Cowher did it!

 

[I am Ironman]

Now that we know Franklin is going to USC, what assistants go with him?

 

[NedFromYork]

Look at the PAC 12s TV contract you dumshit.

He said LA was a top 3 media market, that is indisputable. He didn't make any claims about conference TV agreements.

 

[Ughhh]

Now that we know Franklin is going to USC, what assistants go with him?

Rahne is his QB coach, taking a demotion because Ryan Day is the OC

 

[PearlSUJam]

Even if we win or blow them out we still have to deal with Ohio State every year which is more difficult than anyone in the Pac XII South or the Pac XII as a whole.

This is what we are up against!

 

[JusticeBarkley]

This is what we are up against!

Is it false?

 

[JusticeBarkley]

Ryan Day and Pip to USC!

I would say the same thing if we were discussing Day to USC. It would make sense because the Pac XII is considerably weaker because they don't have to deal with us. This isn't a difficult concept.

 

[L.A.Lion]

Now that we know Franklin is going to USC, what assistants go with him?

Narduzzi applied for the equipment manager position.

 

[bigsirspur]

Recruiting kids to the Los Angeles market in the era where they can cash in on their likeness may be very different from recruiting a kid to Central Pa. I can't even fathom what Miami is going to be like, and the "celebrity appearance fees" kids will get in the clubs, etc.

 

[Pride]

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...n-riley-nfl-jim-harbaugh-leaves-michigan-more

He is not going anywhere. What a waste of a thread.

 

[Ughhh]

I would say the same thing if we were discussing Day to USC. It would make sense because the Pac XII is considerably weaker because they don't have to deal with us. This isn't a difficult concept.

Oh Pip, his OSU benefactors are way bigger than USC’s or even Miss Havisham

 

[JusticeBarkley]

Oh Pip, his OSU benefactors are way bigger than USC’s or even Miss Havisham

Your new found obsession with me is adorable.

 

[Agoodnap]

Your new found obsession with me is adorable.

There it is...78SweetRevenge used this exact phrase dozens of times. I knew this complete jerk would reveal himself.

 

[JusticeBarkley]

There it is...78SweetRevenge used this exact phrase dozens of times. I knew this complete jerk would reveal himself.

Now I'm someone else. How many people are we going to claim I am? Or is this just normal around here?

 

[AWS1022]

There it is...78SweetRevenge used this exact phrase dozens of times. I knew this complete jerk would reveal himself.

Yes, no doubt he’s 78SweetRevenge.

 

[TheGLOV]

8 pages of total BS.

And I helped.

Lock this thread up!

 

[TheGLOV]

Narduzzi applied for the equipment manager position.

He got turned down.

The job requires 'personality'.

 

[bmw199]

I mean if Day wins the national title and Snyder backs a dump truck up to his house to be the head coach of the NFL franchise in Washington then OSU needs a new coach. Wouldn’t Franklin be #1 on that list? Since it’s so much easier to recruit at OSU than PSU he’ll be unstoppable!

FoR rEaLs...

 

[wolve1972]

Ryan Day and Pip to USC!

Day will be in Columbus for at least 3 to 4 years. He has a family and young kids and has made the statement that his recent bouncing around between coaching positions has been very hard on his family and wants some stability for his kids.

 

[Ughhh]

Day will be in Columbus for at least 3 to 4 years. He has a family and young kids and has made the statement that his recent bouncing around between coaching positions has been very hard on his family and wants some stability for his kids.

Do you OSU fanboys realize how insecure you look feeling compelled to respond to any and every perceived slight, real or imaginary?

For God’s sake, this was a sarcastic barb aimed at another poster on the 8th page of a non-OSU thread on another team’s board

 

[wolve1972]

Do you OSU fanboys realize how insecure you look feeling compelled to respond to any and every perceived slight, real or imaginary?

For God’s sake, this was a sarcastic barb aimed at another poster on the 8th page of a non-OSU thread on another team’s board

OSU ? Low blow. GO BLUE !

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

3 and a half weeks from now this might look like a silly comment.

Might...

 

[RCS-PSU70]

USC has its challenges behind the scenes. I don't know what they all are, weak AD's are probably part of it, but they have had trouble in recent years attracting a "name" head coach. They went after Chris Peterson and was turned down, they went after Mike Riley and also struck out. They got lucky with Pete Carroll, although we was not exactly a hot item when they hired him. Not sure of all the details, but they have gotten a lot of "thanks, but not thanks" from current head coaches they have approached.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

USC has its challenges behind the scenes. I don't know what they all are, weak AD's are probably part of it, but they have had trouble in recent years attracting a "name" head coach. They went after Chris Peterson and was turned down, they went after Mike Riley and also struck out. They got lucky with Pete Carroll, although we was not exactly a hot item when they hired him. Not sure of all the details, but they have gotten a lot of "thanks, but not thanks" from current head coaches they have approached.

This is true and is why for all other reasons on the table, I can't see someone like Franklin or Meyer or Riley going to USC. My guess is the $$$$ isn't there like it is at places where football > all. Their coaching hires after Carroll:

2010 - 2013 - Lane Kiffen
2013 - Ed Orgeron
2014 - 2015 - Steve Sarkisian
2015 - Present - Clay Helton

I don't recall hearing much about big names getting interest/offers from USC - maybe Peterson, but not many others if any. And even with all their awful coaching hires and fires, they recruit really, really well.

 

[RCS-PSU70]

This is true and is why for all other reasons on the table, I can't see someone like Franklin or Meyer or Riley going to USC. My guess is the $$$$ isn't there like it is at places where football > all. Their coaching hires after Carroll:

2010 - 2013 - Lane Kiffen
2013 - Ed Orgeron
2014 - 2015 - Steve Sarkisian
2015 - Present - Clay Helton

I don't recall hearing much about big names getting interest/offers from USC - maybe Peterson, but not many others if any. And even with all their awful coaching hires and fires, they recruit really, really well.

Peterson was approached when he was at Boise State. Word was he wouldn't leave Boise. A few years later, he went to UW. Same with Riley, he won't leave Corvallis and then he goes to Nebraska. Something doesn't add up at USC for big name coaches.

 

[81b&w]

Worrying is like paying interest on a debt you might not owe

 

[MacNit07]

If James can't get past tOSU soon, his personal goal of becoming the first African-American head football coach to win a national championship is something that might drive him.

Soon? Christ, he has only had as many scholarships as OSU for three years...patience.

 

[Delco Lion]

Snoop Dog was at State College yesterday. Do you think he was there recruiting Franklin?

 

[GregInPitt]

Good post - agree, it's mostly a wash/personal preference. To me, as far as recruiting goes, it boils down to this: When was the last time PSU was #1 in the country in recruiting? Ki-Jana's class? Here is some data:

Using all of the available Rivals Recruiting data going back to 2002 (and through 2019) - which is 18 years, USC and PSU aren't even in the same stratosphere wrt recruiting. USC's average class ranking was 6; Penn State's was 27. USC had three classes that were not ranked in the Top Ten (twice finished 13th and once 19th); by contrast Penn State only *finished* in the Top Ten twice. USC had five #1 ranked classes (2015 the most recent), including three in a row and went 10 straight years without finishing lower than 8th. Penn State's 2003 class was ranked #92. Penn State has also had 10 classes (or more than half of the years covered) ranked outside the Top 20.

One more fact: According to Rivals, USC had 56 five star players from 2002 - 2019. Penn State had 9. In 2004, USC had 8 five star players in their recruiting class.

The elephants in the room for Penn State are a) Joe's 'dark years', b) the sanctions, and c) Ohio State (who is our primary recruiting rival and probably recruited better than USC over this same period of time). Even if you look at Franklin's stellar performance over the past five years, where he has *one* Top Ten finish, USC has three over that same period. Oregon is probably USC's biggest competition out west - in this same time frame, they only finished in the Top Ten twice, and have an average class rating of about 22. Most of their top players are guys USC passes on from California.

It's all totally speculative. But, USC is a premiere job - certainly the best on the entire West Coast when you consider all criteria. Recruiting isn't everything, but ask Saban if he prefers Michigan State to Alabama.

Good talk!

EDIT: Ran the numbers for Ohio State - they come in at an average recruiting ranking of about 10 (some really bad years from 2003 - 2011) noting they had seven consecutive top ten classes (2012 - 2018) and had 30 five star prospects from 2002 - 2019.

Not saying that USC does not have some recruiting advantage over PSU, but all the USC coaches in the period you reviewed were aggressive recruiters. Whereas that period for PSU includes many years of Joe not out recruiting in person plus the sanction years. A move valid comparison would be using Joe's glory years, or just the last couple of years once CJF got rolling....