Only because when he started there, Stanford was one of the worst Power Five teams in the country. He built them into an annual conference contender.
And thus the CJF to USC rumors swirl
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Only because when he started there, Stanford was one of the worst Power Five teams in the country. He built them into an annual conference contender.
I don't disagree. He did a great job at Stanford but a lot of that could have been Andrew Luck.
And Stanford was Stanford (1-11?) when he took the helm and 12-1 when he left.
What a dumbass argument
Already discussed. I don't understand why people act as though Harbaugh has been awful at Michigan. He has 3 ten win seasons. Could win 10 again this year though they'll probably need a bowl win to pull that off. He's not going 7-6 every year. He just hasn't beat good teams and hasn't found an Andrew Luck (mistakenly thought that was Shea).
And this is besides the original point: Harbaugh pre-Michigan >>> Franklin pre-Penn State. And yet Franklin is miles ahead of Harbaugh at roughly the same point in their tenures.
It’s always very difficult to get a new regime off the ground successfully and success for anyone at USC is far from the slam dunk you’re making it out to be
We're not talking about Franklin pre-Penn State it would be pre-USC. When was Franklin pre-Penn State ever in play?
Cuz he’s beaten no one of consequence, he’s 2-2 against Dantonio and 0-4 against Meyer after Meyer pantsed his best team.
But Franklin is a slam dunk at USC
Cuz he’s beaten no one of consequence, he’s 2-2 against Dantonio and 0-4 against Meyer after Meyer pantsed his best team.
But Franklin is a slam dunk at USC
Are we not a team of "consequence"? What is Franklin's record against Harbaugh, D'Antonio and Meyer? Also, a coach doesn't have to be Saban to be a great hire. But I'm out for the night. Really not even sure what point you're trying to make at this point.
1) Because I’m making the point that Harbaugh is behind someone who shouldn’t even be his benchmark, which is unexpected. Keep up.
2) Harbaugh pre-Michigan is still >> Franklin currently
You know exactly the point I’m making, but I’ll state it again for you: Franklin can be a great coach who can still fail at USC (or anywhere) for a multitude of reasons. One doesn’t guarantee the other.
Good night, at least you know when you’re beaten and to cut your losses
What is his recruiting history? One year on the coat tails of a guy that covered for a domestic abuser?
Imagine if we had DON. BROWN.
And we could all live again, with out Don Brown Nightmares
If recruiting rankings were all that mattered then Michigan and USC would be in the top 10....Unfortunately reality is recruiting ranking only go so far and many kids are missed both on the high and low side of the star rankings.
I disagree. They should stop this for two reasons:
1. Respect Penn State as the blueblood, destination program that it is. Penn State is not a stepping stone to another college program.
2. Remember Franklin’s enthusiasm for Penn State when he took the job. There is no reason to believe that he has lost the enthusiasm.
Actually, the combination of Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New Jersey produces more current NFL talent than California.... at only roughly two thirds the size. And California's income and sales tax rates are the highest in the Country.
Add to that the fact that it's becoming harder to find quality linemen out there because of the population getting physically smaller (a subject discussed recently on the PAC 12 Network), and the overall declining condition of the state in general, and Franklin would be out of his mind to go there.
In short, CJF is not out of his mind. He ain't going anywhere ( at least not to USC ).
I agree but the jackwad "journalists" still write about Saban back to the NFL, Riley to the Cowboys, Urban to the Redskins, etc. If they don't have coaches moving to another college program they have them moving to the NFL. These "journalists" start rumors creating a buzz so they all have something to write about.
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At the risk of keeping a wildly speculative thread going, will disagree here with regard to recruiting. Just looking at the Rivals 100, USC would have about 18 recruits in their traditional recruiting area (California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Washington) - most from California. Penn State has a lot of guys in their traditional recruiting area too - Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Ohio, New Jersey, New York, DC, Connecticut, Massachusetts; about 16 of the Rivals 100. PSU got one so far - Curtis Jacobs. The rest, save Jalen Berger who is still on the board, are off to Georgia, LSU, Clemson, Bama, Ohio State. Which is who we recruit against for most top prospects. The right coach at USC will grab nearly every top California player and get kids from across the country. PSU at near peak powers with Franklin (Top 5 nationally) will have to fight tooth and nail against the best programs in the country for players year in, year out. He's shown he can do it, but every top prospect on our board this year went somewhere else (save Jacobs). USC is struggling on the recruiting trail, but their coach is likely out soon and they've been average on the field. Once those things are corrected, USC is a top five program year in year out. Coaches do not care about taxes - if they did, no one would coach or work in California.
And the posters who like to speculate about vague or made up rumors?
What is their reason for making a big deal of it?
Is it a distraction that 365 days a year a building on campus is named after that former coach? Or does that not count?
Other than Cheaty Pete Carroll's tumultuous time there, USC hasn't been a top five program year in and year out for most of my lifetime.
Happiness is where you find it. My 58 year old cousin lives in the LA area due to a job transfer and cannot wait to retire and move away. Over the past 30 years he's lived in a half dozen other cities (New York, Houston, Boston, Seattle, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) and he puts LA at the bottom of the list. He's been in California for just over 5 years, has traveled the state extensively as part of his job, but finds no part of it to his liking. He intends to retire back east, probably Boston since his wife has roots there. I understand many people love California, but many more do not.
If you had ever spent time in LA, you would realise how ludicrous this thread is. He will be Pope before he is USC coach. Best of all, it would be a cut in net income after expenses, a big one.
So what you are basically saying is that Franklin would have to travel twice as far to look for recruits? USC's "traditional recriiting area", as you list it, would take in almost everything from Massachusetts to Florida on the East Coast. That's a lot of travel. Not to mention, because of the shrinking physical size of males on the West Coast, he would have to go to American Samoa like the other schools out there have to do now to find enough quality linemen.
That seems to be the complaint from the PAC 12 as to why they can't compete with the big boys out East anymore. Their best teams are progressively getting pummeled on the line of scrimmage by SEC and B1G teams more and more every year.
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Fair enough - what about Penn State? Our last NC was 1986. USC has 9 NCs recognized by the NCAA including four in my lifetime (beginning in 1974) and seven that are recognized by either the UPI or AP. Penn State has two. I'm not saying I don't think Penn State is a worse job - certainly depends on what the coach is looking for. But people tossing around stuff like traffic, taxes, weather, etc. - are in serious denial about what a HC is really looking for: money, facilities, quality of life for family, access to top recruits, administrative stability, money for assistants, and path to NC. USC ticks a lot of these boxes - so does Penn State. I personally don't see Franklin leaving any time soon, but if he did, USC is a place I'm sure he'd consider.
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Okay, sure - twice as far with half the competition. Which would you prefer?
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If I'm gonna play devil's advocate, I probably should know a bit about them, right? Instead of saying, 'By what metric is USC a better job than Penn State?,' I can say, 'USC has twice as many NCs as Penn State since I've been born and nearly five times as many recognized by the NCAA.'
Franklin to USC gets a lot of play because Franklin is a big personality who would kill it in a big market. USC is desperate for a HC like him and there aren't that many. USC is a prestigious school and football program that can be a massive fish in a small pond that is the Pac 12 - not hard to see the attraction, noting USC's HC searches are often baffling.
What if he went 7-5, 5-7 his first two years? Highly unlikely that ever happens to him again at Penn State.
Pac 12 also has zero room for error to make the CFP, Oregon might be 12-1 conference champ on the outside looking in because of a neutral field week 1 loss to Auburn. Weak conference works both ways
