And thus the CJF to USC rumors swirl

[Harrisburg Dave]

We have more all time wins. No sure by what metric USC is a more prestigious job.

Try national championships.

Heisman winners.

Legendary coaches.

The damn horse.

The f’n fight song.

The cheerleaders. Well let’s just begin and end with them. I’m 63, so it’s getting a little creepy, then again Im not dead yet.

Give them folks credit

 

[NittanyIllinois]

Someone has too much time on their hands. Any rational person knows USC is not as good a gig as PSU.

It's debatable, but I agree that PSU is the better job for several reasons.

However, a jump is plausible if one of the following are true:

(1) The family dislikes central PA and is drawn to a big city. Seeing as though CJF's daughters have spent most of their memorable childhood in State College, I'm guessing that's not the case. Don't know the wife's preferences, though.

(2) There is some specific attraction to southern California that we're not aware of.

(3) Franklin has a strained relationship with the AD. I don't think this is the case, and plus, USC doesn't even have an AD.

(4) Franklin feels his job security isn't as strong as it would be at USC. If anything, I'd imagine the opposite is true, judging by how quickly they're looking to yank Clay Helton.

(5) Franklin believes USC offers a better route to a national championship given the comparative weakness of the Pac-12 South vs. the Big Ten East.

(6) Franklin is the kind of guy that doesn't want to settle in one place too long, and is intrigued by the challenge of the bright lights of LA.


No telling if any of these are true. I'm guessing none are. And since the USC job isn't inherently a better job than our job, there's really little reason to worry.

Unless, of course, one of those conditions above are true. In which case we probably wouldn't know, anyway.

 

[JayWye]

Try national championships.

Heisman winners.

Legendary coaches.

The damn horse.

The f’n fight song.

The cheerleaders. Well let’s just begin and end with them. I’m 63, so it’s getting a little creepy, then again Im not dead yet.

Give them folks credit

That's all in the long ago...sort of like ND

 

[Code Blue]

If Franklin's main goal is to win a National Championship, why would he go to USC? Especially this year. USC will take five yrs to get rebuilt and win a NC. Penn State not only has a solid shot this year but has an even better shot next year. He will stay at least until after next year.

....(smirk)...

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

The amount of disrespect is un****ing real with this statement. 3rd winningest coach in college football since we got out of the sanction period at a place with a stained reputation, is in the middle of nowhere, and doesn’t have an AD who sells its soul to win football games.

Yeah, “he has done well.” When you go down to pick up Matt Rhule can you never come back?

Grow up fan boy.

You want me to shine his shoes and plead with him never to leave?

He has done well. He has the team on the verge of the B1G and playoffs. He still has much to accomplish.

This program shit canned the winningest coach in college football history. A man with multiple MNCs, perfect seasons, more bowl wins than anyone. If you think Franklin is set for life here you are sadly mistaken.

 

[JusticeBarkley]

That's all in the long ago...sort of like ND

We haven't won a National Title since 1986 so they've won more recently.
Both teams most recent conference championship is the same year.
Is it any different than us?
We're currently in better shape (obviously) but the right coach should be able to fix USC in about a week.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

We have more all time wins. Not sure by what metric USC is a more prestigious job.

The eyeball test?!?

 

[JusticeBarkley]

Why are some people pretending USC isn't an elite job? It is. So is Penn State. So is Alabama, Georgia, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, etc. If Franklin leaves we'll (eventually) be fine but we were spoiled with Paterno. Guys aren't lifers typically and Franklin may simply want a new challenge. He'd need another elite job to make a move. USC makes sense because money talks.

I still think he'll be coaching here in 2020 and most likely for the foreseeable future.

 

[RGWhirly]

I don’t know how many of you have been to Southern California, geography not school, but it is an incredible area.

Anyone who can pull in top bucks would live there in a minute.

As for football, between LA and San Diego you have a huge population and some of the greatest scholastic programs in the nation.

With that recruiting base you can add the USC program attraction that can gift you entre into the home of kids all over the country.

State College is a nice area, but the opportunities at Southern Cal for outside income and family are incredible. I would not blame Franklin one iota if he took the opportunity if it came along.

You wish he would leave. SoCal is great if it is one’s speed and cup of tea. It is not for everyone.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

It's debatable, but I agree that PSU is the better job for several reasons.

However, a jump is plausible if one of the following are true:

(1) The family dislikes central PA and is drawn to a big city. Seeing as though CJF's daughters have spent most of their memorable childhood in State College, I'm guessing that's not the case. Don't know the wife's preferences, though.

(2) There is some specific attraction to southern California that we're not aware of.

(3) Franklin has a strained relationship with the AD. I don't think this is the case, and plus, USC doesn't even have an AD.

(4) Franklin feels his job security isn't as strong as it would be at USC. If anything, I'd imagine the opposite is true, judging by how quickly they're looking to yank Clay Helton.

(5) Franklin believes USC offers a better route to a national championship given the comparative weakness of the Pac-12 South vs. the Big Ten East.

(6) Franklin is the kind of guy that doesn't want to settle in one place too long, and is intrigued by the challenge of the bright lights of LA.


No telling if any of these are true. I'm guessing none are. And since the USC job isn't inherently a better job than our job, there's really little reason to worry.

Unless, of course, one of those conditions above are true. In which case we probably wouldn't know, anyway.

(1) The family dislikes central PA and is drawn to a big city. Seeing as though CJF's daughters have spent most of their memorable childhood in State College, I'm guessing that's not the case. Don't know the wife's preferences, though.

If the USC job opens, this is what his decision will come down to ... the money, the chance to win a natty, recruiting, facilities ... will all be a wash more or less with PSU.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

When the time comes that they stop writing about our head coach leaving should be when we start looking for a new head coach. Simple as that.

Excellent. Post.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

That's all in the long ago...sort of like ND

Long ago? How old are you?

BTW, ND has been in the playoffs how many times in the past decade?

Give people credit when credit is due. There is nothing wrong about living in the real world.

Penn State has a great program, but there are other places that are incredible, and SC is one of them.

One last thing, you folks who have not been to many places don’t understand the incredible facilities and resources other programs put into football. Saban has a huge edge in salaries to assistants and His program is in a palace. Texas A&M has incredible facilities, ditto LSU, GA, tOSU.

Franklin knows this and he speaks to it often, if you bother to listen.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

You wish he would leave. SoCal is great if it is one’s speed and cup of tea. It is not for everyone.

Don’t get butt hurt when someone posts the obvious.

I don’t want Franklin to leave, I just don’t believe he is the be all and end all of college coaches.

 

[AWS1022]

If some blogger wrote about Franklin being interested in the Rutgers job, some posters on here would try to argue why it makes sense. He’s not going anywhere....and he hasn’t given any of these so called journalists a reason to think he is.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

If the USC job opens, this is what his decision will come down to ... the money, the chance to win a natty, recruiting, facilities ... will all be a wash more or less with PSU.

Wrong

 

[grinagrin]

Also worried that this may be Pry’s last year here with the way our defense is playing, and the interest shown to him before...

 

[uPBRmeASAP]

Grow up fan boy.

You want me to shine his shoes and plead with him never to leave?

He has done well. He has the team on the verge of the B1G and playoffs. He still has much to accomplish.

This program shit canned the winningest coach in college football history. A man with multiple MNCs, perfect seasons, more bowl wins than anyone. If you think Franklin is set for life here you are sadly mistaken.

No, what I really want is the constant shade dished on James Franklin to stop with certain posters like yourself.

To me, it’s an insult to tell somebody they can be replaced in their job.

What he did here is remarkable. And you even admitted it yourself that Penn State doesn’t have all the strings of programs like USC yet look at our records right now.

 

[marshall23]

It's debatable, but I agree that PSU is the better job for several reasons.

However, a jump is plausible if one of the following are true:

(1) The family dislikes central PA and is drawn to a big city. Seeing as though CJF's daughters have spent most of their memorable childhood in State College, I'm guessing that's not the case. Don't know the wife's preferences, though.

(2) There is some specific attraction to southern California that we're not aware of.

(3) Franklin has a strained relationship with the AD. I don't think this is the case, and plus, USC doesn't even have an AD.

(4) Franklin feels his job security isn't as strong as it would be at USC. If anything, I'd imagine the opposite is true, judging by how quickly they're looking to yank Clay Helton.

(5) Franklin believes USC offers a better route to a national championship given the comparative weakness of the Pac-12 South vs. the Big Ten East.

(6) Franklin is the kind of guy that doesn't want to settle in one place too long, and is intrigued by the challenge of the bright lights of LA.


No telling if any of these are true. I'm guessing none are. And since the USC job isn't inherently a better job than our job, there's really little reason to worry.

Unless, of course, one of those conditions above are true. In which case we probably wouldn't know, anyway.

#5 is the one that jumps out at me. If they are able to offer big time money for his coordinators and assistant coaches.....he's a fool not to at least listen.
PSU needs to be aggressive and demonstrate to him that they "want" him as much as those who are courting him.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

No, what I really want is the constant shade dished on James Franklin to stop with certain posters like yourself.

To me, it’s an insult to tell somebody they can be replaced in their job.

What he did here is remarkable. And you even admitted it yourself that Penn State doesn’t have all the strings of programs like USC yet look at our records right now.

Grow up. You sound foolish.

Churchill got fired. MacArthur got fired. Steve Jobs got pushed out. Our own legend got tossed.

Any man can be replaced. Few coaches get to leave on their own terms, nor should they.

You fan boys are incredible.

 

[Ughhh]

We haven't won a National Title since 1986 so they've won more recently.
Both teams most recent conference championship is the same year.
Is it any different than us?
We're currently in better shape (obviously) but the right coach should be able to fix USC in about a week.

Then why is Peter Carrol the only one who’s been able to make it work in the past 30 years?

History and prestige of PSU and USC are a wash and, frankly, irrelevant. We’re in the golden age of freaking Clemson.

 

[AWS1022]

Then why is Peter Carrol the only one who’s been able to make it work in the past 30 years?

History and prestige of PSU and USC are a wash and, frankly, irrelevant. We’re in the golden age of freaking Clemson.

And we all have a pretty good idea how Pete Carroll made it work.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

I understand Penn State is putting 70 million into Lasch,

Google the John McKay football building at USC. Built 7 years ago for $70 million. 110,000 square feet in the middle of the SC campus.

It is a palace, what Franklin knows his competition has had for years.

 

[JusticeBarkley]

Then why is Peter Carrol the only one who’s been able to make it work in the past 30 years?

History and prestige of PSU and USC are a wash and, frankly, irrelevant. We’re in the golden age of freaking Clemson.

Why did no one make it work at Bama before Saban? You still need the right coach. I'm fine with saying USC-Penn State are a wash but we can't claim USC is all about the past when we haven't won a title in over 30 years (actually let's say 25 because we were the best team in 1994).

 

[I am Ironman]

Ok, Franklin should go to USC. It's just too amazing to pass up.

Hire Jaypa so everyone will be happy.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Franklin will not be USC's first choice and I kind of doubt they would choose him even if he got in the mix.

It's not entirely impossible but I would be surprised.

He is also pretty close to getting into the CFP at Penn State. This is the third year in the last four where he has had an excellent chance of getting there.

Not sure I could see him leaving for another college job. Especially one where he could get fired after the second year.

He would leave PSU for the NFL, yes.

 

[uPBRmeASAP]

Grow up. You sound foolish.

Churchill got fired. MacArthur got fired. Steve Jobs got pushed out. Our own legend got tossed.

Any man can be replaced. Few coaches get to leave on their own terms, nor should they.

You fan boys are incredible.

If anybody is replaceable, how did it work out for Apple after Steve Jobs left the first time?

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Ok, Franklin should go to USC. It's just too amazing to pass up.

Hire Jaypa so everyone will be happy.

Nobody is saying that.

Just trying to bring reality into the minds of our Panglossian contingent who think we live in the best of all possible worlds.

 

[JusticeBarkley]

Franklin will not be USC's first choice and I kind of doubt they would choose him even if he got in the mix.

It's not entirely impossible but I would be surprised.

He is also pretty close to getting into the CFP at Penn State. This is the third year in the last four where he has had an excellent chance of getting there.

Not sure I could see him leaving for another college job. Especially one where he could get fired after the second year.

He would leave PSU for the NFL, yes.

I don't know how many people would likely be ahead of him on their list. Which is a good thing. We should want other teams targeting him. It means he's succeeding.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

I don't know how many people would likely be ahead of him on their list. Which is a good thing. We should want other teams targeting him. It means he's succeeding.

True

 

[danvillenit]

I think PSU is a better job, but let’s say they are even. He has six hard years invested at PSU and now has a team that will have a legitimate chance at a championship next year, if not 2019.

He has a tight knit team with kids who generally do things like go to class. He says it’s very important to him. I doubt that was part of the Pete Carroll formula.

He certainly has the charisma to succeed at USC. It depends what his family wants. I doubt OSU in our division would be a factor. You never know what the other teams will be like in a couple years. Oregon might hire Matt Rhule and become a juggernaut

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

If anybody is replaceable, how did it work out for Apple after Steve Jobs left the first time?

Jobs admitted that looking back he had much to learn and the experience forced him to look at himself. He was better for it and his later success was built on his failure.

Your point?

 

[JusticeBarkley]

I think PSU is a better job, but let’s say they are even. He has six hard years invested at PSU and now has a team that will have a legitimate chance at a championship next year, if not 2019.

He has a tight knit team with kids who generally do things like go to class. He says it’s very important to him. I doubt that was part of the Pete Carroll formula.

He certainly has the charisma to succeed at USC. It depends what his family wants. I doubt OSU in our division would be a factor. Oregon might hire Matt Rhule and become a juggernaut

USC probably has a shot at a championship next year too. Herbert and Eason will be in the NFL and there's a ton of talent on board there.

Honestly, no coach could go wrong picking Penn State or USC.

 

[meanmiJ01]

We get it Harrisburg guns. You knelt at the alter of Paterno and you really don’t like Franklin.. you can repeat it over and over but it is now 4 pages and you have added nothing to the discussion.

 

[AWS1022]

Nobody is saying that.

Just trying to bring reality into the minds of our Panglossian contingent who think we live in the best of all possible worlds.

Reality is the last thing that will be found in this thread. The reality is this is a multiple page thread based on some person’s guess that USC may possibly be interested in Franklin, but there’s not one piece of evidence that they are or that Franklin has any interest whatsoever in going....but, please, by all means bring some reality into the discussion .

 

[heckmans]

Ryan Day? So far it looks like a good hire.

So far. Who knows, but 3-4 years is a long time from now. Fat Charlie looked like a great hire in South Bend coaching Brady Quinn and the rest of Willingham's recruits, until it became apparent he couldn't develop kids and they went in the toilet. Day is literally driving the machine Meyer built...he just slipped in the driver seat and has kept it aloft with a transfer portal QB. Let's see what happens with the recruits he brings in and the assistants he hires. I suspect they'll be just fine, but time will tell. Day is unproven.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

We get it Harrisburg guns. You knelt at the alter of Paterno and you really don’t like Franklin.. you can repeat it over and over but it is now 4 pages and you have added nothing to the discussion.

Huh?

You fan boys are dopes.

Who wants Franklin gone? Who has not acknowledged his good works? Not me.

Dare to post that other programs commit more resources, and provide just as good an opportunity for football success, and that life will go on should he leave, and you take that as saying I want Franklin out?

Good lord?!?!

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

What would he do if he got offered the job of Pope?

I’m in line for that job.

Vicarius Filii Dei

 

[royboy]

My God.

This thread makes the Nuthouse Ward in “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest” look like a MENSA meeting.

Amen.

Penn State is 8-0 coming off a win vs an opponent who has had great recent success vs PSU. The next game is against undefeated Minnesota at their place, and Ohio State, playing as well or better than any team in the country, looms ahead.

Penn State is absolutely in the running for a conference championship and the national playoff. There are plenty of good stories about the players on this team. Fan enthusiasm and attendance is at high levels.

And this thread, based on some baseless speculation in an ESPN column, takes off?? About a subject where there is no actual news nor would there be anything actually happening for months.

I'm done with this but I'm at a loss to see what the point is here.

 

[JusticeBarkley]

So far. Who knows, but 3-4 years is a long time from now. Fat Charlie looked like a great hire in South Bend coaching Brady Quinn and the rest of Willingham's recruits, until it became apparent he couldn't develop kids and they went in the toilet. Day is literally driving the machine Meyer built...he just slipped in the driver seat and has kept it aloft with a transfer portal QB. Let's see what happens with the recruits he brings in and the assistants he hires. I suspect they'll be just fine, but time will tell. Day is unproven.

Are we pretending Day won't be able to recruit now? Also, getting a QB from the portal isn't a negative. It's part of the game. Looking forward to when we start using the portal as intended.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I don't know how many people would likely be ahead of him on their list. Which is a good thing. We should want other teams targeting him. It means he's succeeding.

Well Urban Meyer is definitely ahead of him.