Anyone have any idea what this Cael quote from today's presser infers?

[Callthestall]

And that was at 118. Heard he could cut 15 pounds in a thirty six hour period. I was the weigh master for EWL's when they were at Bloomsburg University, by that time Ricky had graduated, but his weight cuts were legendary.

I attended Bloomsburg in the early 80s , before the Bonomos arrived via their high school coach Shorty Hitchcock. I got to know a bunch of wrestlers.The weight cutting back then was unbelievable, most of the wrestlers either belonged or attended a frat house called DOC. Their was no weight management program. It was drink beer ,eat pizza then barf and sweat. Don Reese was one of the few guys that avoided the craziness.

 

[El-Jefe]

I attended Bloomsburg in the early 80s , before the Bonomos arrived via their high school coach Shorty Hitchcock. I got to know a bunch of wrestlers.The weight cutting back then was unbelievable, most of the wrestlers either belonged or attended a frat house called DOC. Their was no weight management program. It was drink beer ,eat pizza then barf and sweat. Don Reese was one of the few guys that avoided the craziness.

I can attest to that -- not the Bonomos necessarily ...

My HS head coach wrestled at Bloomsburg (earlier than that) and told lots of similar stories. Told about one guy who cut weight by drinking 6 packs... then quickly caught himself and cautioned us that it wasn't really a great idea.

 

[Gumby79]

I too attend Bloom around that time. For those of you who were wondering, no, DOC was not a frat for pre-med students.

Ricky and Rocky were in a few of my classes. Those two were always entertaining. A teammate told me the story of encountering Rick sitting in the locker room at the University of MD before his finals match with Jim Martin. He was going for his third NCAA title. He sat alone, staring down at his hand. He was alternating between holding out his index, middle and ring fingers, then his middle, ring, and pinkie. Back and forth, back and forth. Curious, he asked Bonomo what the hell he was doing. Ricky answered, " After the match I'm not sure if I should do this, (holding up his first three fingers) or this. (holding up the last three)"

 

[RoarLions1]

I can attest to that -- not the Bonomos necessarily ...

My HS head coach wrestled at Bloomsburg (earlier than that) and told lots of similar stories. Told about one guy who cut weight by drinking 6 packs... then quickly caught himself and cautioned us that it wasn't really a great idea.

Not just Bloomsburg, though I'm sure some coaches pushed weight cutting more than others. Early 70's, even High School's were doing tons of stuff off-limits today. Salt tablets, saunas, rubber suits, forced barfing, and more...

 

[El-Jefe]

Not just Bloomsburg, though I'm sure some coaches pushed weight cutting more than others. Early 70's, even High School's were doing tons of stuff off-limits today. Salt tablets, saunas, rubber suits, forced barfing, and more...

We had rubber suits and our room was a sauna, located next to the boiler room in an old bldg. None of the other stuff though did have one teammate blow his nose until it bled at districts weigh-ins. Mid 80s.

That said, I'm not sure many of our guys had what we think of as hard cuts. A few guys dropped for states my JR year -- volunteered to do it, coaches didn't push them to. Next year, I think 1 guy did.

We also had a ton of fun in practice. That seemed a little different from other teams then.

 

[RoarLions1]

We had rubber suits and our room was a sauna, located next to the boiler room in an old bldg. None of the other stuff though did have one teammate blow his nose until it bled at districts weigh-ins. Mid 80s.

We also had a ton of fun in practice. That seemed a little different from other teams then.

It was the fittest I've ever been. Now I bounce pumpkins for fun .

 

[Cowbell Man]

1). I'm all in on the Kerry and Cael exhibition.

2) I continue to hope we can have a Law/Carpenter tag team match vs Richards

3) the Bonomo weight cut of 15 over 36 hrs. Note I shed 19 lbs in the Lion suit vs William and Mary. That was a lot less than 36 hours and I looked like a raisin. Lol

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Not just Bloomsburg, though I'm sure some coaches pushed weight cutting more than others. Early 70's, even High School's were doing tons of stuff off-limits today. Salt tablets, saunas, rubber suits, forced barfing, and more...

Rubber suits and turn all of showers on pure hot with door closed to shower area....spitting as much as you could, etc...

 

[slushhead]

We had rubber suits and our room was a sauna, located next to the boiler room in an old bldg. None of the other stuff though did have one teammate blow his nose until it bled at districts weigh-ins. Mid 80s.

That said, I'm not sure many of our guys had what we think of as hard cuts. A few guys dropped for states my JR year -- volunteered to do it, coaches didn't push them to. Next year, I think 1 guy did.

We also had a ton of fun in practice. That seemed a little different from other teams then.

Bringing back old memories. Our weight room and "wrestling office" were next to the boilers in the basement of our school. Needless to say, all cutting for home meets was concentrated down there.

Most of our guys didn't have rubber suits, though, opting for the Xtra large Hefty bag with head and arm holes punched out, instead. Less efficient, but made us feel tougher, lol.

 

[BigFreddy]

Here is video of the quote in question:

http://www.gopsusports.com/blog/2017/02/this-week-in-penn-state-wrestling-2.html?platform=hootsuite

He said he will leave the announcement up to the "marketing people," so I highly doubt it has anything to do with any weight bumps or lineup changes.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

I had a friend who used to sleep in his rubber suit with the bed piled high with covers. Talk about dangerous! It was a different time then.

 

[Grass]

I went to Lock Haven in the early 90's before transferring and actually had a few classes with Rocky Bonomo. He was a freaken riot.

 

[purescurve]

Bringing back old memories. Our weight room and "wrestling office" were next to the boilers in the basement of our school. Needless to say, all cutting for home meets was concentrated down there.

Most of our guys didn't have rubber suits, though, opting for the Xtra large Hefty bag with head and arm holes punched out, instead. Less efficient, but made us feel tougher, lol.

boiler room here also- when we went down to do laps in the gym the bbplayers seemed to be in air conditioning as they played and it seems to me now as I look back the coaches didn't mind the punking we did.

 

[matter7172]

I had a friend who used to sleep in his rubber suit with the bed piled high with covers. Talk about dangerous! It was a different time then.

The equipment manager at my high school died after working out in a rubber suit. It sort of alerted us to the danger of the practice. He was succeeded by my high school football coach, the father of Frank Reich, Jr., architect of one of the best playoff comebacks in NFL history.

 

[nitlion6]

I infer from what Cael implied that he is not talking a single match, but rather something different for one of the dual meets.

 

[Callthestall]

I believe Cael S. has been in favor of an option to the singlet. Might we see shorts and shirt.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

If they started the dual at 165 he probably could with no problem.

Not that I think it would happen but is there any rule against one guy going at multiple weights.

Yes, there's a rule against it. A couple of rules cycles ago, there was actually a question about it, because the wording in the rulebook was vague. Needless to say, after I brought it up, the wording was altered for the next rules cycle.

 

[nitlion6]

Sitting here smiling as I remember cutting weight in high school. Girl friend and I would take half a dozen blankets and go parking.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Sitting here smiling as I remember cutting weight in high school. Girl friend and I would take half a dozen blankets and go parking.

How does 22 seconds of physical activity help you to lose weight?

 

[El-Jefe]

How does 22 seconds of physical activity help you to lose weight?

Those blankets were probably heavy for the team 98-lb guy.

 

[tikk10]

Bringing back old memories. Our weight room and "wrestling office" were next to the boilers in the basement of our school. Needless to say, all cutting for home meets was concentrated down there.

Most of our guys didn't have rubber suits, though, opting for the Xtra large Hefty bag with head and arm holes punched out, instead. Less efficient, but made us feel tougher, lol.

Same here. I did both sauna suit and plastic bags. Cut 9 lbs in 36 hours once but looking at photos from that time I wonder how because I had no body fat. Plenty now though! Also jogged in the boiler room. Only had to do it once but I recall spitting in a Dixie cup on that way to a dual. Fifty spits = half pound, or so we told ourselves.

 

[El-Jefe]

Same here. I did both sauna suit and plastic bags. Cut 9 lbs in 36 hours once but looking at photos from that time I wonder how because I had no body fat. Plenty now though! Also jogged in the boiler room. Only had to do it once but I recall spitting in a Dixie cup on that way to a dual. Fifty spits = half pound, or so we told ourselves.

Did anyone ever weigh the spit?

 

[tikk10]

Did anyone ever weigh the spit?

No. I remember thinking a drug dealer could probably weigh it and test that theory/urban legend but we traveled in different circles.

Also remember that you lose a half pound, at least, while sleeping. That I did test.

 

[slushhead]

[QUOTE="tikk10, post: 2632064, member:]
Also remember that you lose a half pound, at least, while sleeping. That I did test.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget the 1/8-lb you lose if you stand on your head for 2 minutes just before stepping on the scale.

 

[PSU Mike]

How does 22 seconds of physical activity help you to lose weight?

3 grams at a time ...

 

[tikk10]

Don't forget the 1/8-lb you lose if you stand on your head for 2 minutes just before stepping on the scale.

That I've never heard of that. I'm no physics major but I imagine that would be b/c your blood is then moving when you step on the scale and thus temporarily obeying a different gravitational force. Like if you stepped on a scale with a Dixie cup filled with a half pound of spit, and lifted it slightly so the spit was temporarily airborne.

 

[a_mshaffer]

No. I remember thinking a drug dealer could probably weigh it and test that theory/urban legend but we traveled in different circles.

Also remember that you lose a half pound, at least, while sleeping. That I did test.

Spitting was equal to the amount or volume... 8 oz cup was filled then that was a half pound. I always went by your body burning up a 1/8lb per hour. Thus, one pound during the night. Of course, drinking anything after brushing your teeth directly countered your efforts (when dehydrated).

 

[24Hawkeye7]

I haven't read through all these posts, so I apologize if this was debunked....
But could it have to do with Hall & IMAR??? The ONLY reason I ask if there is even a slight possibility is because of the S#!^ IMAR 'tweeted' after the Hall v. Meyer match at Carver???

 

[RVARZR]

I haven't read through all these posts, so I apologize if this was debunked....
But could it have to do with Hall & IMAR??? The ONLY reason I ask if there is even a slight possibility is because of the S#!^ IMAR 'tweeted' after the Hall v. Meyer match at Carver???

I doubt IMar would go up to wrestle Hall. I think IMar has more to lose with only one career loss and being in the running for the Hodge this year if Dean would lose.

I doubt Hall could go down for IMar because of weight descent rules and I don't know if hall is certified for 165 anyways.

 

[21Guns]

I believe Cael is referring to a tribute to either a former wrestler, or wrestlers, that will take place at Rec Hall. ONLY a guess here.

 

[nitlion6]

How does 22 seconds of physical activity help you to lose weight?

At the age of 16, you can do that 22 second sprint over and over and over

 

[a_mshaffer]

I doubt IMar would go up to wrestle Hall. I think IMar has more to lose with only one career loss and being in the running for the Hodge this year if Dean would lose.

I doubt Hall could go down for IMar because of weight descent rules and I don't know if hall is certified for 165 anyways.

I would doubt as well... he mentioned the 'marketing dept' will expand... don't think that would be based on a particular match, grudge match, or other..

 

[nitlion6]

That I've never heard of that. I'm no physics major but I imagine that would be b/c your blood is then moving when you step on the scale and thus temporarily obeying a different gravitational force. Like if you stepped on a scale with a Dixie cup filled with a half pound of spit, and lifted it slightly so the spit was temporarily airborne.

Not sure i missed the sarcasm. If so I apologize. Forces and equal and opposite and what have you.
Tossing your spit up in the air would be offset by the downward force needed to lift the cup of spit.

 

[tikk10]

I would doubt as well... he mentioned the 'marketing dept' will expand... don't think that would be based on a particular match, grudge match, or other..

I interpreted it as a potential milestone for one of the wrestlers, either by the record book or a round number like 150 matches wrestled or something. Maybe Jimmy b/c he's the only senior.

 

[tikk10]

Not sure i missed the sarcasm. If so i apolofize. Forces and equal and opposite and what have you.
Tossing you spit up in the air would be offset by the downward force needed to lift the cup.

No, no sarcasm meant. I had no idea whether this was true but was allowing for the possibility and was then just thinking out loud about the potential theoretical basis. I can't imagine that a headstand would make an actual difference in your weight for the purpose of a weigh-in, though I can imagine trace distinctions. I mean, people weigh up to a pound less on top of Mt Everest than they do at sea level because gravity isn't a constant. So I'm willing to at least imagine the possibility.

That said, you're right about the equal and opposite force with respect to my cup example, but I don't think that would hold true for the headstand example because a body is a contained unit. Better analogy is maybe a half-filled water balloon. If it was possible to weigh the balloon in a precise moment when the water was sloshing around, it would weigh less than it does when the water settles. No, blood and/or other bodily fluids don't work that way inside your body but maybe in some barely perceptible way they do.

I don't believe the theory I offered but don't think it was flatly idiotic either. Neither did the National Institute of Health, which did a thoroughly scientific debunking here, abstract below, emphases mine:

Despite recent rules from amateur wrestling sport-governing bodies intended to discourage extreme weight loss measures, wrestling culture still includes varied methods to make weight, including holding a headstand position immediately before stepping on the scale. The procedure, according to the notion, will reduce reported mass anywhere between 250 and 500g (weight between 2.45 and 4.89 N). The aim of this study was to compare any possible differences between the headstand procedure (HS) and a normal (CON) weight measure, using a metrological approach defined by the European Association of National Metrology Institutes. Seventeen adult men were weighed on a force plate before and after doing a headstand or standing normally for 30s. The order of treatment application was assigned randomly. Post-test weight was significantly larger than pre-test (mean±s.d.) (640.7±62.8 N and 640.3±62.7 N, respectively, p<0.0001) under both treatments. No treatment vs. time of test interaction was found. No significant difference was found between CON and HS weight (640.6±62.8 N and 640.9±62.9 N, respectively, p=0.3815). The metrological tests suggest that the statistical differences found are related to the force plate measuring errors in every pre-established time interval. The 45g (0.44 N) difference found between pretest and post-test lies within the uncertainty range identified for the equipment (±110 g or 1.08 N). In conclusion, a 30-second headstand has no significant effect on registered body weight. The small variations obtained were due to equipment-associated measuring errors. This experiment offers systematic empirical evidence to aid in the elimination of this unjustified practice among the wrestling community.

 

[PSU James]

My Theory....
1. Someone else at 133 other than Carpenter. Law or Moss or Possibly Jimmy.
2. Zain is getting the night off.

Either way you need to hope VJ wrestles IMAR. I agree with jrd23psu. I dont want them to blow Lee's gray shirt...if that is what it is called and dont want to see Nolf up against a much stronger this year than last year IMAR.

 

[21Guns]

Maybe a pre-match alumni all star match? That would be AWESOME.

 

[aalion]

Maybe a pre-match alumni all star match? That would be AWESOME.

Mystery seems solved based on radio show - black and pink singlets and alot of other marketing activities (free t-shirts, lottery for shirts off wrestlers backs, etc.) for last match.

 

[pipe999]

What has happened to Ken Yanovich? Injured? I know he is on the roster but he has not wrestled this year. I saw him at the Southern Scuffle last year and their was a little excitement about him.

Shoulder surgery back before the BJC dual.

 

[RoarLions1]

Mystery seems solved based on radio show - black and pink singlets and alot of other marketing activities (free t-shirts, lottery for shirts off wrestlers backs, etc.) for last match.

Winner, winner...

And don't forget Coach Lorenzo being on the mat for Senior Day. All the festivities will certainly make up for a one-side dual...in my opinion.