He has the program at a level that Paterno didn’t dating back to at least 2000. He hasn’t lost 9 in a row to Michigan. Imagine if Franklin said we should “lower our expectations”...
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You don’t get “outcoached” most weeks and win 80% of your games. That’s not how it works.
I agree with you. What does that have to do with wishing Franklin (and staff) was a better in-game football coach and tactician?
It does when you only play teams with similar talent about 20-25% of the time.
Pinky swear?Sport, I have zero say in what Penn State does with their millions. I wish we had someone in the AD office who asked hard questions before writing checks as though the guy is elite. He is handsomely compensated now and deserves a raise once he earns it based on the kind of metrics I outlined. My last word on it, promise.
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Yes. But to be fair, both have more nattys, are in recruiting hotbeds and won’t stay where they are for long.
Just about every D-1 school in the country would kill for 10 wins...did ya happen to look at the CFP poll and see how many of them have 10 or more wins? Right now the count is at 18. That's 18 out of about 120 teams...PSU is in select company and should be for quite some time based on our current recruiting results and the extension coming for Franklin...
Per this FSU 24/7 article, the talks with James Franklin didn't end well for the Noles.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for those who want him out.
Personally, I'm happy though.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247spo...rvell-James-Franklin-Seminoles-138875496/Amp/
USC has been mediocre for literally decades, with the only exception being the PC years.
Better known as “the cheating years”.
The problem with fans like you is that you moved the goal posts on Franklin.
The only reason we are even having this debate about what it’s going to take to get to the next level and win a natty is because of what Franklin built here in such a short time.
Four years ago we were considered maybe the 4th or 5th best program in our own conference. Now we are chasing only one program, OSU.
Well guess what? 127 other programs out there are chasing OSU as well. Matt Rhule and his $hitty a$$ recruiting (worst ranked class in the B12) isn’t going to get you to OSU’s level because he runs Oklahoma drills in pre-game. We have to actually beat them for recruits, and there isn’t a better available recruiter out there than JF.
Yes, this year’s class didn’t fulfill that promise after a disappointing 9-4 season. However, we keep chipping away with those double digit win seasons you complain about and Franklin will absolutely get his share of recruiting wins against the elite.
It will pay off in the long haul, and we will see another B1G championship birth and eventual CFP appearance. It’s gonna take a little luck and timing. It’s not gonna come during a year when we have to play the most dominant OSU team in their program’s history at the Shoe. There is also always going to be a middle of the pack team from the B1G that is peaking any given year that will have to be overcome.
But when Franklin finally does have that CFP appearance to sell to recruits, look out.
There are 6 teams with more wins Clemson, Alabama, duhO$U, OU, UGa and Wisconsin - Wisconsin has 1 more win than PSU and the same number of losses (11) resulting from them playing in the weak b1g West with a practical bye to the BCG every year. UGa has 2 more wins than PSU. Yea, those results are really mediocre according to the always negative "We & Us" posing psuedo PSU fan trolls like HarrisburgDick... errrr, I mean Dave.
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I have one thing to say: Great freaking post!!!
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Luck is the confluence of skill and preparation. We're going to need a lot of luck to get to the next level. It's either that or rampant cheating.
I'm going to be patient because I have no say in anything, and I have no clue how to improve or find a better coach. I'm not sure there is a better coach.
I'm going to be patient because I have no say in anything, and I have no clue how to improve or find a better coach. I'm not sure there is a better coach.
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Basically nobody has. But before Bama was the team everyone was chasing, USC was.
USC is in very good company among the top programs of all time. Glad they’re currently struggling (by their enviable standards) and can’t take our coach. But let’s not poo-poo USC or the Pete Carroll era.
Wish I could like this post twice.
Everyone harping that we aren’t elite yet when it was Franklin’s own words and actions that made everyone start thinking we even had a chance to become elite. But yet at the time Franklin was hired if someone would have offered the results we ended up having with him, 100% of fans would have signed up for that. Now they act like they aren’t satisfied with where we are at.
Well guess what? As luck would have it, Franklin isn’t satisfied with where we are at either. I don’t get what I’m missing with some people. He wants what you all want and has already shown he can exceed our expectations. That last rung on the ladder to compete with Alabama, Clemson and OSU is not easy to climb. Ask every other program with a boatload of money and resources that is trying to do it too. But we are right there on the cusp. The fact that we are right now would have been universally celebrated in 2014 when he was hired. The only thing that has changed since then is Franklin raised everyone’s expectations. That’s a good thing. I don’t get the people trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I'm not a Franklin basher, but let's be real....
Expectations always change based on context and current situation.
Franklin's success has proven what can occur at Penn State so the bar has risen. (If you think football expectations at Clemson aren't higher now than at any time in it's history, you'd be mistaken)
Franklin's demands for increased compensation also raises the bar on expectations. If you don't think increased comp comes with an increase in skill, performance and expectations, then you are probably a government worker.
USC claims NCs in 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978.
1978 is 41 years ago. Excluding the Pete Carroll era, USC has fought for mediocrity pretty much every year.
Pete Carroll coached at USC for 9 years. He won 2 NCs and left for the NFL between the time he met with the NCAA infractions committee and sanctions were handed down that included a 2-year bowl ban, loss of 30 schollies, and vacated victories including their BCS championship.
Those are some "enviable standards," but let's not inflate the USC football achievements of the modern era.
That's an insult to Alabama. USC won the split MNC in 2003 and then an outright one in 2004. And that's it. Now, that's still really good and better than most anybody else. But that pales in comparison to the run that Alabama has been on since 2008. We've seen nothing like what they've been able to accomplish in modern CFB.
Currently???? For decades, sans the Pete Carroll era, which was only a few years and as someone pointed out, there was some cheating involved.
We went 10-2 this year. 21 teams out of 130 teams did that.
Winning 10 games is nothing. You know how many teams won 10+ games this year that had a harder schedule than we did? 7. That's it.
Some people on here sure are flipping stupid I swear.
Winning 10 games is nothing. You know how many teams won 10+ games this year that had a harder schedule than we did? 7. That's it.
Some people on here sure are flipping stupid I swear.
They don't like Franklin. So they shut up when things are going well (i.e. most of the time), and shit their diapers online when they have a chance after a recent loss. Winning a national championship is the only thing that will shut them up. And that will only be temporary.
Looking at just the P-5 schools --
ACC -- Clemson
Big XII -- Oklahoma and Baylor
Big Ten -- Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin and Minnesota
Pac 12 -- Oregon and Utah
SEC -- Alabama, LSU, Florida and Georgia
With only a couple of exceptions, that's the who's who of college football. Pretty good company.
JF has convinced me with results. Our roster was an absolute mess when he took over, yet we managed winning seasons. Since then, we have become nationally relevant every season. Not least of all, he has maintained standards while doing this.
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Ok. "Pete Carroll era, which was only a few years"
9 full seasons isn't "a few years" and could only be deemed so minimal on a very long timeline. And it was one heck of a few years. Here they were:
2009 4 3 22 Pete Carroll (9-4) Emerald Bowl-W
2008 3 1 3 Pete Carroll (12-1) Rose Bowl-W
2007 1 1 3 Pete Carroll (11-2) Rose Bowl-W
2006 6 2 4 Pete Carroll (11-2) Rose Bowl-W
2005 1 1 2 Pete Carroll (12-1) Rose Bowl-L record adjusted to 0-1-0 by NCAA
2004 1 1 1 Pete Carroll (13-0) Orange Bowl-W record adjusted to 11-0-0 by NCAA
2003 8 1 1 Pete Carroll (12-1) Rose Bowl-W
2002 20 4 4 Pete Carroll (11-2) Orange Bowl-W
2001 Pete Carroll (6-6) Las Vegas Bowl-L
Note: the three numbers after the year are AP Pre-season, AP High and AP Post-season rankings. His first year was the only one where they weren't top-5 at some point.
Here's the top programs of all time:
https://soonersports.com/sports/2019/8/13/208798542.aspx
https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...istory-alabama-fsu-nebraska-oklahoma-michigan
Here's also the top ten by decade. They showed up 3 times as top ten by decade. Not great considering their company. But as the author said, when they're good, they're on fire.
Even when they've struggled, they've rarely been worst than mediocre.
And nothing but fine coaching led to those results (hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink).
Pete Carroll’s run at USC was one of the most entertaining you will ever see
