Spencer wrestled in four NCAA tournaments. No way he got screwed more than those that didn’t get that opportunity due to Covid.
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I get a little annoyed at the boo-hoo missed opportunity thing. How many people even get to that level? How many people have careers in sports Darrell by entries? Or maybe they have other circumstances which means they have to leave a sport?
When you've competed at a high-level you've accomplished a lot more than most athletes whatever do in their career.
You could even argue that competition at that level is a rate of success that few people see in any aspect of their lives.
When your my son was on a Little League team due to a mixup that was below his level. They weren't going to have a team in his town so he was allowed to compete one town over but he had to go on the B team because he knew where they knew he would be back on his old team next year.
The team was kind of an island of misfit toys, my son tried really hard and did quite well, but never got a game ball. He was only nine or 10 and I could tell he was upset one day when one kid literally caught a ball and got the game ball.
I told him that kid might not do anything more athletic than that in his life and he's not gonna have the opportunity as you will. While my son didn't compete in things much after his first year of college, he has done some running races and works out.
For so many of us are career and somewhere in grade school to high school, lucky ones get to even compete in college. As grown-ups run, a 5K or dual lifting meet or maybe train for something more ambitious like a triathlon. And most of us aren't really going to be anything more than average.
It was sad for those guys (and everyone else who missed out), but no one's plight compares to being the difference between being an all-time great 4-timer who would probably be an Olympic favorite in 24 to counting lights in your last match and failing in your goals while both your parents are made into public jokes and your potential Olympic career seriously in doubt.
LOL, stop. Nothing ever compares to Spencer's plight.
Pretty dumb is the simplest 2 word statement that accurately describes all that is HR.
Iowa's continous and annoying woe is me routine over 2020 has become pathetic.
Based upon things we know. Assuming 2020 is a full field tournament Iowa's team points is almost certainly below 100 points.
Spencer 1st 25
DeSanto 5th 12
Lugo 5th 11
Marinelli 6th 10
Kemerer 2nd 17
Warner 6th 10
Cassioppi 5th 12
Iowa, 1 champ, 2 finalists, 7AAs, 95 plus 3 peripheral points 98 total. Based upon Iowa's NCAA performances over the past 15 years this is one helluva performance. In actuality this is probably a little better than they would have accomplished.
PSU's expected outcome
133 RBY 2nd (I actually think they have a game plan for SeaBass and Fix and first is a full blown possibility) 17 points
141 Nick Lee 1st 22
165 Cenzo 1st 24
174 Hall 1st 24
184 Brooks 1st 22
197 Shak 6th 8
Total points PSU 117 points. Another PSU championship. Based upon all things real and history based this is a far more likely outcome of the 2020 tournament than anything those tortured HR minds can dream up.
Based upon things we know. Assuming 2020 is a full field tournament Iowa's team points is almost certainly below 100 points.
Spencer 1st 25
DeSanto 5th 12
Lugo 5th 11
Marinelli 6th 10
Kemerer 2nd 17
Warner 6th 10
Cassioppi 5th 12
Iowa, 1 champ, 2 finalists, 7AAs, 95 plus 3 peripheral points 98 total. Based upon Iowa's NCAA performances over the past 15 years this is one helluva performance. In actuality this is probably a little better than they would have accomplished.
PSU's expected outcome
133 RBY 2nd (I actually think they have a game plan for SeaBass and Fix and first is a full blown possibility) 17 points
141 Nick Lee 1st 22
165 Cenzo 1st 24
174 Hall 1st 24
184 Brooks 1st 22
197 Shak 6th 8
Total points PSU 117 points. Another PSU championship. Based upon all things real and history based this is a far more likely outcome of the 2020 tournament than anything those tortured HR minds can dream up.
Again, they lean on the Big 10 result despite the fact that tournament hurts top heavy teams.
Funniest is chalking up an NC for Lugo - like it was a foregone conclusion. Dude was a grinder who likely loses in the semis. We’ve seen that same story for years
They have Lee winning, DeSanto a finalist, Lugo winning, Kemerer winning, and Warner.
In the past 15 years
Spencer 125 X 3
McDonough 125 X 2
Ramos 133
Clark 133
St. John 157
Borshel 174
They live in that part of the brain that allows people to remember things that happened in the past just the way they wanted, never the way they happened. That one time back in band camp. Dude, you were never in the band. Yeah but I went that one time and this completely unbelievable thing happen for me.
Freaking idiots.
Talking shit on St. John's wife is a new phucking low. I hope that dickwad gets to meet St. John up close and personal. Or better yet, his wife. Derek could simply look old Bob in the eye and say, if she hits you, spits on you or just verbally berates you - you will stand there and take it. One move away from her, or towards her I will physically mess you up to the point that it will take years to learn to walk again. Good God, the worthless phucks in the Iowa administration should be showing this dickhead the curb.
Hey BNic doesn’t need a gun - he’s got 2 hands. He’s a 60+ year old, self-professed “street fighter”.
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love the fire, but I’ve seen you.. I wouldn’t be too worried. Not saying you aren’t scrappy..,
I disagree with the 'worse' statement. A lot of unknowns to include the extent of his knees pushing through the ncaa's. To many what-ifs for me. No one knows what would have happened next since it didn't happen.
Either Willie has more dirt or he’s passing Out heart attacks on the HR..
one of the hawks did have a good comeback with a pic and a movie quote..
one of the hawks did have a good comeback with a pic and a movie quote..
To be fair, he was only “counting the lights” in his last match because he forfeited out. He didn’t have to end his career on his back. He chose to.
Without COVID, the Ivy league schools and others compete, and as history would indicate, this pulls more points away from Iowa than PSU, more than closing the 13.5 point gap. PSU wins yet another championship with 4 champs to Iowa's 1. The 4:1 tattoo alone is a strong indicator of the flaw of too many potential points on the backside. Been Askren is all over this one as well. With the Ivy's in place, Iowa's backside path is much harder while the 5 collective champs likely remain. Part and parcel of why we win more national championships than Big 10 championships. Truth be told, without COVID we may have won 12 in 13 years, or at least our argument is as strong as Iowa's for two titles.
Cenzo and Markie each get a chance at one more. They were the ones that were screwed by COVID.
As for Spencer, HR seems perfectly fine with the notion that without COVID, Spencer is a 4xer, I tend to agree.
What they conveniently just wipe away is he did lose and who he lost to in a very weak weight class. He does not look like his old self. He is not the GOAT. They like the trophy case without the reality. Spencer is not as good in reality, as he is perceived in the minds of his faithful. "If it weren't for Covid he would be the best ever" as if COVID transformed the person, and this Spencer is not the real thing?
Cenzo and Markie each get a chance at one more. They were the ones that were screwed by COVID.
As for Spencer, HR seems perfectly fine with the notion that without COVID, Spencer is a 4xer, I tend to agree.
What they conveniently just wipe away is he did lose and who he lost to in a very weak weight class. He does not look like his old self. He is not the GOAT. They like the trophy case without the reality. Spencer is not as good in reality, as he is perceived in the minds of his faithful. "If it weren't for Covid he would be the best ever" as if COVID transformed the person, and this Spencer is not the real thing?
Not True. Only those like Cenzo and Hall who were seniors in 2020 got screwed. They only got 3 NCAAs. Everyone else got 5. Typically NCAA Fup.
I think a few of us are all saying the same things.
My old man in his 80s would have face stomped that dickhead.
St. John would scare him to the point of pissing himself.
Rumor has it Vodka might have called the Iowa administration and ask if this clown is somebody Iowa truly wants to be associated with.
“Oh yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow, that’s my point.”
Is that from Monty Python? Sounds like something those guys would write.
Things have been so good for us around here lately, we’re trying really hard to find something to argue about. Other than folkstyle vs freestyle. Anything but that.
But much, or all of Spencer’s situation was self-imposed. He didn’t have to wrestle this year so soon after surgery. He didn’t have to get taken down and pinned with under 30 seconds left in the semi’s, mom didn’t have to go all kung fu on her specs, dad didn’t have to give the 20 minute cringe interview….
Cenzo and Mark were simply screwed…by NO fault of their own.
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That’s some nifty revisionist history you’ve got there. You must have injured your back pulling this out of your butt.
How in the world can you say this when the very next year Iowa got first with well over 100 points and the only lineup change was pay Lugo out JE in. Lugo would have almost assuredly been the #1 seed. You’re past 15 year argument, though cute, is extraordinarily irrelevant simply due to the facts on how 9/10 of that lineup performed the very next year.
Honestly baffled how you get to 117 with psu when they finished 4th in the big tens that year. Seriously, I need to hire your mental gymnastics coach because I can’t comprehend how you got there.
Just admit things we’re likely not going to go your way that year. No need to extend yourself projecting another win for an already proud dynasty.
Let the hawks have 2020. No tournament? No problem. See that empty space in the display case? Yeah, that’s our 2020 team title trophy. All our guys were going to buy in to the mental peak that year and wrestle tough. Talking 150ish pretend points. Here’s the team pic of the 2020 1st place hawks.
Iowa should be happy DeSanto didn't get tossed in 2021 or they wouldn't have any recent championships.
In 2017, Penn State finished 2nd at Big Tens with 130.0 points. They had two Big Ten Champions. Two weeks later, they won NCAAs with 146.5 points and 5 NCAA champs.
If you follow PSU wrestling and dig into the 2019-2020 team, what happened at Big Tens, and the 2020 NCAA brackets (which were released) you’d at least understand where folks are coming from (even if you disagreed).
If you instead want to look only at 4th place and say things like so-and-so would have been a 1-seed (hint: he was the 1-seed in the actual brackets), without digging in at all, you won’t understand.
Would Iowa have been favored? Of course. Was it a forgone conclusion? Far from it. RBY, NLee Joseph, Hall and Brooks each had a decent chance to win it. The latter four were probably even predicted to (regardless of seed). On top of that, Shakur was just getting healthy and had beaten Warner at Big Tens. In typical PSU fashion, it was a top-heavy team that had underperformed at Big Tens.
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Here are the 2020 brackets.
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Based on @98lberEating2Lunches most recent butt kissing of @bnicholls there is no doubt he is a troll. A two faced one at that.
Just because I distain negative emotions and have learned to maintain a calm state of mind in the interest of maintaining objectivity--even among rivals--that does not mean I am a troll or some kind of double-agent.Based on @98lberEating2Lunches most recent butt kissing of @bnicholls there is no doubt he is a troll. A two faced one at that.
Again, I grew up in Western PA (Allegheny County). HS wrestling coach is in multiple HoFs. Graduated from PSU in 1985 the same day as my wife. Two brothers, two nephews, and a God daughter are PSU Alums. Have a PSU wrestling season ticket thru PSU wrestling alumni. Was at PSU wrestling alumni dinner before Michigan BJC dual. NLWC donor. PSWC donor. Levi Lamb donor with men's hockey season tickets. Will be going to Olympic Trials. Will be going to B1Gs in MD my now home state. Went to both Coaches Caravans when Cael spoke in D.C. and MD.
Hell, my avatar is a limited edition Cael Sanderson Christmas ornament, gifted to me by an older brother because he says I'm such a Cael fan boy. Also blessed enough to have been in the PSWC Suite for MSG and Pittsburgh NCAA Championships.
I have to say, that'd be some Little Nikita level deep cover.
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2020 would have seen five PSU wrestlers with ten NCAA titles and 14 finals appearances between them (despite two of them only getting three chances at it)
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Iowa’s higher seeds. Three guys (Spencer, Warner and Kemerer) with five finals appearances and three championships between them.
At a tournament that favors champions over depth in team scoring.
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Iowa’s higher seeds. Three guys (Spencer, Warner and Kemerer) with five finals appearances and three championships between them.
At a tournament that favors champions over depth in team scoring.
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You will get there when you somehow come to the conclusion that big ten results factor in very little in the way of projecting points for nationals. There are more schools and wrestlers. Pretty logical and reasonable point which somehow skips right over the average Iowa wrestling fan wtf already
And that pesky history of how psu tends to do at nationals
And the fact that Iowa won it by being well rounded in a year when it was watered down a bit.
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