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Varying view points are more than welcome IMO it keeps us anchored and not completely nuts..
Js and Madden have helped with that in the past..
Madden is slipping and Js is muttering to himself an awful lot lately..
Vak used to help but he has given up the good fight..
Even Willie used to come over here sometimes and tell someone to shut up. He's busy somewhere else I'd imagine..
 
I meant done talking in circles with nitlion guy not done with this forum in general. I have thick skin and enjoy some of the “bad jokes”, plus I don’t mind discussing something I care about with someone who has a different perspective than I do. Though I often need to remind myself of where I’m at and that I have very little chance of progressing the narrative in any way shape or form.
That's just not true. Many of us here hang on your every word. Honest!!
 
That's just not true. Many of us here hang on your every word. Honest!!
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You aren't done till we say you are done.
Lighten up most of the stuff over here is bad jokes, most of the time anyone is offended by something it's from not understanding some 10 year old stupid joke that very few even remember where it started.
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Varying view points are more than welcome IMO it keeps us anchored and not completely nuts..
Js and Madden have helped with that in the past..
Madden is slipping and Js is muttering to himself an awful lot lately..
Vak used to help but he has given up the good fight..
Even Willie used to come over here sometimes and tell someone to shut up. He's busy somewhere else I'd imagine..
Willie wanted to argue in a different trailer park is my guess . He's the Ricky to Nicoll's Mr. Lahey.

 
That’s some nifty revisionist history you’ve got there. You must have injured your back pulling this out of your butt.

How in the world can you say this when the very next year Iowa got first with well over 100 points and the only lineup change was pay Lugo out JE in. Lugo would have almost assuredly been the #1 seed. You’re past 15 year argument, though cute, is extraordinarily irrelevant simply due to the facts on how 9/10 of that lineup performed the very next year.

Honestly baffled how you get to 117 with psu when they finished 4th in the big tens that year. Seriously, I need to hire your mental gymnastics coach because I can’t comprehend how you got there.

Just admit things we’re likely not going to go your way that year. No need to extend yourself projecting another win for an already proud dynasty.


Well gang, I went back and did the math dating back to the year after our punt year in 2015. I would paste it here, but I ran it in a spreadsheet, and I am writing this using my phone. I will thus, only provide some highlights.

The data is quite compelling, here is what I found (2016-2023 excluding 2020):

Both Iowa and PSU consistently score more points in Big 10s than nationals, which is largely the result of a much smaller field sharing the available pool of points.

The lone exception was in 2017 where PSU scored a whooping 16.5 more points at nationals than Bigs. That performance was unprecedented.

Over the 8 year span, PSU is markedly more efficient at nationals seeing average point differential between Big10s and Nationals of -9.64 points. Iowa's average drop off on points is a differential of -32.2 points. PSU is 334% stronger than Iowa at nationals relative to Bigs. These numbers are very consistent through the period.

In that span PSU finished second at Bigs 4 times, and went on two improve and win nationals in 3 of those 4 years. The remainder we won both.

In those years Iowa finished first at Bigs only once. Of the remaining 6 years twice they dropped placement position at nationals, and 3 times they improved their placement by 1.

Now on to the two key COVID years in question:

In 2021 Iowa won B10s over PSU by 25.5 points, and Nationals by 15.5 points. The question in hand is what effect did the reduced field (no Ivy's) have on the outcome. Basic math says both PSU and Iowa would lose points to the Ivys, but no solid inference can be made that the correctly proportioned reduction in points would eliminate that gap, thus reversing the outcome.

In 2020 where Iowa had a very strong B10s, while PSU had by far their worst performance in the 8 year period. 157.5 vs 107. The argument here is our stable of prior champs plus Rasheed and others would return to Nationals "PSU Peak" form to take nationals.

To be fair there is zero doubt that PSU would have once again out-performed Iowa, but the trend data does not support closing the wide 49.5 point gap.

Net-net: Hawkfan1986 is "not" out to lunch believing Iowa would have won 2 championships in a row. This scenario is more likely than not, had COVID not occurred.

On the other side of the coin there is clear evidence PSU's relative performance is improved 3x better than Iowa from Bigs to Nationals. That is not a small differential, infact it is quite striking and consistent every year over that period. In one year PSU knocked it out of the park fast protecting a stellar Bigs result proving that 'the improbable can be done' by a Cael Sanderson coached team. PSU fans are not all wet postulating that the team would have once again out performed at nationals in 2020 and in 2021 with the Ivy's participating, the Lions 'could' have won both.

Both scenarios are plausible, but to be clear, the math leans Iowa!
 
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Well gang, I went back and did the math dating back to the year after our punt year in 2015. I would paste it here, but I ran it in a spreadsheet, and I am writing this using my phone. I will thus, only provide some highlights.

The data is quite compelling, here is what I found (2016-2023 excluding 2020):

Both Iowa and PSU consistently score more points in Big 10s than nationals, which is largely the result of a much smaller field sharing the available pool of points.

The lone exception was in 2017 where PSU scored a whooping 16.5 more points at nationals than Bigs. That performance was unprecedented.

Over the 8 year span, PSU is markedly more efficient at nationals seeing average point differential between Big10s and Nationals of -9.64 points. Iowa's average drop off on points is a differential of -32.2 points. PSU is 334% stronger than Iowa at nationals relative to Bigs. These numbers are very consistent through the period.

In that span PSU finished second at Bigs 4 times, and went on two improve and win nationals in 3 of those 4 years. The remainder we won both.

In those years Iowa finished first at Bigs only once. Of the remaining 6 years twice they dropped placement position at nationals, and 3 times they improved their placement by 1.

Now on to the two key COVID years in question:

In 2021 Iowa won B10s over PSU by 25.5 points, and Nationals by 15.5 points. The question in hand is what effect did the reduced field (no Ivy's) have on the outcome. Basic math says both PSU and Iowa would lose points to the Ivys, but no solid inference can be made that the correctly proportioned reduction in points would eliminate that gap, thus reversing the outcome.

In 2020 where Iowa had a very strong B10s, while PSU had by far their worst performance in the 8 year period. 157.5 vs 107. The argument here is our stable of prior champs plus Rasheed and others would return to Nationals "PSU Peak" form to take nationals.

To be fair there is zero doubt that PSU would have once again out-performed Iowa, but the trend data does not support closing the wide 49.5 point gap.

Net-net: Hawkfan1986 is "not" out to lunch believing Iowa would have won 2 championships in a row. This scenario is more likely than not, had COVID not occurred.

On the other side of the coin there is clear evidence PSU's relative performance is improved 3x better than Iowa from Bigs to Nationals. That is not a small differential, infact it is quite striking and consistent every year over that period. In one year PSU knocked it out of the park fast protecting a stellar Bigs result proving that 'the improbable can be done' by a Cael Sanderson coached team. PSU fans are not all wet postulating that the team would have once again out performed at nationals in 2020 and in 2021 with the Ivy's participating, the Lions 'could' have won both.

Both scenarios are plausible, but to be clear, the math leans Iowa!
Very solid take.
 
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Well gang, I went back and did the math dating back to the year after our punt year in 2015. I would paste it here, but I ran it in a spreadsheet, and I am writing this using my phone. I will thus, only provide some highlights.

The data is quite compelling, here is what I found (2016-2023 excluding 2020):

Both Iowa and PSU consistently score more points in Big 10s than nationals, which is largely the result of a much smaller field sharing the available pool of points.

The lone exception was in 2017 where PSU scored a whooping 16.5 more points at nationals than Bigs. That performance was unprecedented.

Over the 8 year span, PSU is markedly more efficient at nationals seeing average point differential between Big10s and Nationals of -9.64 points. Iowa's average drop off on points is a differential of -32.2 points. PSU is 334% stronger than Iowa at nationals relative to Bigs. These numbers are very consistent through the period.

In that span PSU finished second at Bigs 4 times, and went on two improve and win nationals in 3 of those 4 years. The remainder we won both.

In those years Iowa finished first at Bigs only once. Of the remaining 6 years twice they dropped placement position at nationals, and 3 times they improved their placement by 1.

Now on to the two key COVID years in question:

In 2021 Iowa won B10s over PSU by 25.5 points, and Nationals by 15.5 points. The question in hand is what effect did the reduced field (no Ivy's) have on the outcome. Basic math says both PSU and Iowa would lose points to the Ivys, but no solid inference can be made that the correctly proportioned reduction in points would eliminate that gap, thus reversing the outcome.

In 2020 where Iowa had a very strong B10s, while PSU had by far their worst performance in the 8 year period. 157.5 vs 107. The argument here is our stable of prior champs plus Rasheed and others would return to Nationals "PSU Peak" form to take nationals.

To be fair there is zero doubt that PSU would have once again out-performed Iowa, but the trend data does not support closing the wide 49.5 point gap.

Net-net: Hawkfan1986 is "not" out to lunch believing Iowa would have won 2 championships in a row. This scenario is more likely than not, had COVID not occurred.

On the other side of the coin there is clear evidence PSU's relative performance is improved 3x better than Iowa from Bigs to Nationals. That is not a small differential, infact it is quite striking and consistent every year over that period. In one year PSU knocked it out of the park fast protecting a stellar Bigs result proving that 'the improbable can be done' by a Cael Sanderson coached team. PSU fans are not all wet postulating that the team would have once again out performed at nationals in 2020 and in 2021 with the Ivy's participating, the Lions 'could' have won both.

Both scenarios are plausible, but to be clear, the math leans Iowa!
well they can talk all they want,but we will never know!
 
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Well gang, I went back and did the math dating back to the year after our punt year in 2015. I would paste it here, but I ran it in a spreadsheet, and I am writing this using my phone. I will thus, only provide some highlights.

The data is quite compelling, here is what I found (2016-2023 excluding 2020):

Both Iowa and PSU consistently score more points in Big 10s than nationals, which is largely the result of a much smaller field sharing the available pool of points.

The lone exception was in 2017 where PSU scored a whooping 16.5 more points at nationals than Bigs. That performance was unprecedented.

Over the 8 year span, PSU is markedly more efficient at nationals seeing average point differential between Big10s and Nationals of -9.64 points. Iowa's average drop off on points is a differential of -32.2 points. PSU is 334% stronger than Iowa at nationals relative to Bigs. These numbers are very consistent through the period.

In that span PSU finished second at Bigs 4 times, and went on two improve and win nationals in 3 of those 4 years. The remainder we won both.

In those years Iowa finished first at Bigs only once. Of the remaining 6 years twice they dropped placement position at nationals, and 3 times they improved their placement by 1.

Now on to the two key COVID years in question:

In 2021 Iowa won B10s over PSU by 25.5 points, and Nationals by 15.5 points. The question in hand is what effect did the reduced field (no Ivy's) have on the outcome. Basic math says both PSU and Iowa would lose points to the Ivys, but no solid inference can be made that the correctly proportioned reduction in points would eliminate that gap, thus reversing the outcome.

In 2020 where Iowa had a very strong B10s, while PSU had by far their worst performance in the 8 year period. 157.5 vs 107. The argument here is our stable of prior champs plus Rasheed and others would return to Nationals "PSU Peak" form to take nationals.

To be fair there is zero doubt that PSU would have once again out-performed Iowa, but the trend data does not support closing the wide 49.5 point gap.

Net-net: Hawkfan1986 is "not" out to lunch believing Iowa would have won 2 championships in a row. This scenario is more likely than not, had COVID not occurred.

On the other side of the coin there is clear evidence PSU's relative performance is improved 3x better than Iowa from Bigs to Nationals. That is not a small differential, infact it is quite striking and consistent every year over that period. In one year PSU knocked it out of the park fast protecting a stellar Bigs result proving that 'the improbable can be done' by a Cael Sanderson coached team. PSU fans are not all wet postulating that the team would have once again out performed at nationals in 2020 and in 2021 with the Ivy's participating, the Lions 'could' have won both.

Both scenarios are plausible, but to be clear, the math leans Iowa!
I have no problem saying Iowa was the favorite. But there’s not enough data in 2010-2019 and 2021-2022 to credibly do a pure mathematical analysis of 2020 NCAA projections from 2020 Big Tens.

So I’ll believe what I want to believe. RBY, NLee, VJ, Hall and Brooks win it all. Shak AAs. Wick beats Marinelli in quarters. Shak beats Warner in 2nd round. And 5 champs wins it all like it has each time it has occurred (and yes I get the lack of credible data in saying that too).
 
This was teed up too nicely by Big Bob in a thread defending his joke about ski towns...

My comment (old ski town joke) had nothing to do with the lady in question or her husband. No problem, I get criticized all the time for BS. It's an honor to be scammed by bums like Jimmy Small D and Mineo

BTW, the follow up joke to that one is, "What do you call a ski bum without a girlfriend?.........Homeless a Monarch tenant."

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This was teed up too nicely by Big Bob in a thread defending his joke about ski towns...

My comment (old ski town joke) had nothing to do with the lady in question or her husband. No problem, I get criticized all the time for BS. It's an honor to be scammed by bums like Jimmy Small D and Mineo

BTW, the follow up joke to that one is, "What do you call a ski bum without a girlfriend?.........Homeless a Monarch tenant."

giphy.gif
Racist Bob seems to be inordinately interested in dudes tag teaming chicks and penises ….

Not that there’s anything wrong with that …
 
I decided to venture over to HR to figure out what Chickenman was talking about and there's time I'm never getting back.

Superwealthy people should probably not post on message boards or social media, ever, at all. You can strut with your entitlement and fail to read the room without consequences when no one knows who you are, but nothing good can come of that dynamic when you're a rich donor with a public-facing business. At least Nicolls didn't buy Twitter, I suppose.

Also, I finally figured out what GIA means and I've got questions and general condemnation. I guess it's possible I'm missing an inside joke here but linguistically speaking, GO IOWA AWESOME reads like a grammar mistake MS Word would put a red squiggly line beneath until you jammed a comma or exclamation point somewhere.

It begs an answer to the question of what function "Awesome" is serving. "Go Iowa" is unambiguous and has historical support elsewhere. "Awesome" can either be an adjective or a standalone exclamation depending on the context (respectively, e.g., "That's an awesome double" or "That's Awesome!"). Here, though, it's oddly stranded, neither modifying "Go Iowa" nor speaking to it in any substantive way, just awkwardly appended to the end of a completed sentence.
 
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It begs an answer to the question of what funciton "Awesome" is serving. "Go Iowa" is unambiguous and has historical support elsewhere. "Awesome" can either be an adjective or a standalone exclamation depending on the context (respectively, e.g., "That's an awesome double" or "That's Awesome!"). Here, though, it's oddly stranded, neither modifying "Go Iowa" nor speaking to it in any substantive way, just awkwardly appended to the end of a completed sentence.
The phrase "Go Iowa Awesome" is one of the most intelligent things written over there.
 
I decided to venture over to HR to figure out what Chickenman was talking about and there's time I'm never getting back.

Superwealthy people should probably not post on message boards or social media, ever, at all. You can strut with your entitlement and fail to read the room without consequences when no one knows who you are, but nothing good can come of that dynamic when you're a rich donor with a public-facing business. At least Nicolls didn't buy Twitter, I suppose.

Also, I finally figured out what GIA means and I've got questions and general condemnation. I guess it's possible I'm missing an inside joke here but linguistically speaking, GO IOWA AWESOME reads like a grammar mistake MS Word would put a red squiggly line beneath until you jammed a comma or exclamation point somewhere.

It begs an answer to the question of what function "Awesome" is serving. "Go Iowa" is unambiguous and has historical support elsewhere. "Awesome" can either be an adjective or a standalone exclamation depending on the context (respectively, e.g., "That's an awesome double" or "That's Awesome!"). Here, though, it's oddly stranded, neither modifying "Go Iowa" nor speaking to it in any substantive way, just awkwardly appended to the end of a completed sentence.
You have to read between the lines.

GO to hell IOWA....PSU is AWESOME. i am the walrus
 
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