The HWC and USA Greco is a marriage made in heaven just waiting to happen. The HWC can be to Greco what the NLWC is to Freestyle. Iowa's style gives them a head start in teaching Greco. Bear hugs and push outs. 
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If the next 10 years is like the last 10, top recruits will have never hear OF Iowa much less from them.
That was in response to Spooner saying who is Duke. I thought the lmfao would suffice as sarcasm but thanks for the answer it's all good lol
OnlyFans Iowa? Are we talking the Ferraris again?
It's fun to flex our muscles, and no doubt Cael has built something near impossible to duplicate. That said Iowa isn't going anywhere and will remain a top 5 program in perpetuity. They have crazy coaches, yes, but a new facility is on the way and they have a rich heritage, no doubt local talent for decades to come, and deep NIL pockets willing to spend. With a Michigan like off season, they could be challenging again in 2 years. Not likely, but certainly possible.
They didn't quite get the Cruiseliner Nick level of transfer, but they did have a near MI-like offseason with Franek and Caliendo until half the starting lineup was banned for gambling. LOL.
Franek and Caliendo were good gets for the Hawks, but they came after the dust had settled. The GIA regulars are still salty that they went 0-for in the portal against PSU and Mich. This, is even though they threw a lot of money on the table.
T&T's theme song should be "Money can't buy me Love" by the Beatles.
Some are mentioning it on the Iowa forum, but, I think the next program to truly threaten us long term is the one that gets some big names in as coaches. Guys like DT, Snyder, Dake, etc. will do a phenomenal job of bringing in recruits. I've always hoped that DT would eventually take over for Cael, a LONG time from now, but, I guess he could start somewhere else before coming back here to take over.
Being serious here but if DT went to Lock Haven as their HC they would immediately be a threat for the # 2 spot. He could continue to run M2, while coaching D1. Can you imagine the possibilities with wrestling at PSU and LH.Some are mentioning it on the Iowa forum, but, I think the next program to truly threaten us long term is the one that gets some big names in as coaches. Guys like DT, Snyder, Dake, etc. will do a phenomenal job of bringing in recruits. I've always hoped that DT would eventually take over for Cael, a LONG time from now, but, I guess he could start somewhere else before coming back here to take over.
It will be interesting to see if Cael brings on board any alum as assistant coaches within the next few years. I have a suspicion DT will look in that direction within 2 years, I don't see another Olympic cycle in his future. If so, I think with his resume and M2 experience he gets a head coach offer right away. It will be difficult seeing DT across the mat from us someday. His roots are here and his coming back after Cael may be inevitable.Some are mentioning it on the Iowa forum, but, I think the next program to truly threaten us long term is the one that gets some big names in as coaches. Guys like DT, Snyder, Dake, etc. will do a phenomenal job of bringing in recruits. I've always hoped that DT would eventually take over for Cael, a LONG time from now, but, I guess he could start somewhere else before coming back here to take over.
The next wave of kids may be in the 5-7 year horizon for bringing on as an assistant first for several years (Zain, Bo, Nolf, Nick,..). It will be interesting to see what personality type Cael would choose to groom, as a potential heir assistant. Z, N, N are all humble, faithful, dedicated and workman like, and have some of Cael in them through osmosis. Bo is Bo and who knows where that personality might be in 5 years, especially if he wins a championship at MMA. There is a good chance Folkstyle is in his rear view mirror for good one might think.
Ultimately it will be up to the university AD. Cael hatchlings would be leading candidates, but who knows they could go for a Dake or Borroughs type, granted I think both are eyeing their own alma maters.
I hope Cael stays at least another full decade, and brings on a few hammer alum assistants just to help grind new champions on the mat. At some point a coaches mat time becomes less effective, as will happen eventually with Cael and Casey, probably within the next 10 or so years.
When Cael feels like he can no longer teach effectively on the mat is when I think he starts thinking about doing something else. I think we witnessed the same with John Smith these last 5 years, it's a bit passed his time, and it showed.
PS - 'egg see face' still applies here, since this is yet one more opinion piece.
Penn State & LH as the top 2 programs in the country would be a windfall for PA wrestling. The B1G would have to think hard about admitting LH for wrestling.
No. LHU doesn't have the means or alumni base for a world class RTC. They certainly cannot out of the blue hire Belaglozov as freestyle coach like Michigan did. And they didn't have partners or funding to keep Marsteller.
Nor do they have budget for extensive, national recruiting every year.
Lock Haven NIL? What's that?
Plus not exactly a draw for academically inclined recruits, even before PSAC consolidation uncertainties. Especially grad transfers or RTC athletes pursuing grad school.
It's easy to forget how much mountain moving Scott Moore has done. Maybe a Taylor could take them a little farther, but #2? Come on.
As someone pretty familiar with the LH program, and someone with all the respect in the world for Scott Moore, this is accurate. There's no money to bring DT in, and no reason to think he'd want that job. DT is as entrenched as anyone in State College, he and his wife have multiple businesses there, rental properties, etc. Maybe priorities change once he retires from competing but it would take a lot to dislodge them from SC, where he could be the mayor if he wanted.
I’m going to just let Cael cook and I’ll stay out of the way. Hopefully he’s prowling the mats for a few more years - pumping out successful alums and building the Penn State wrestling network.
Populate several states with the likes of M2 - complete with coincidental blue and white color schemes, bus trips to Rec Hall, etc.
Populate several states with the likes of M2 - complete with coincidental blue and white color schemes, bus trips to Rec Hall, etc.
With it's proximity to SC, why couldn't LH kids train at the NLWC, if it was allowed?
Then why didn't Marsteller?
LHU would still need to cough up the dough for a residency program.
Poor choice as well. Bucknell does have alums with money -- but Athletics has not always supported the individual sports outside basketball and football. Especially with fundraising -- some coaches have been fully responsible for raising their entire budgets including coach salaries, with no assistance from the university.
"Not far from State College"? An hour each way if no weather issues, occasionally prohibitive in winter. He'd have to move.
On top of that: Bucknell does not redshirt, 4 years and done.
Plus the school is happy with Wirnsberger and he isn't going anywhere with his eldest son an incoming freshman and the next a HS SO.
Ok, here's the problem. We need a place to hide DT until Cael's reay to go and DT has gotten some experience, Would you please present a solution instead of continually pointing out flaws in proposals brought for consideration. In other words, bring solutions, not problems!
Why? He seems to be perfectly happy with hiding in plain sight.Ok, here's the problem. We need a place to hide DT until Cael's reay to go and DT has gotten some experience, Would you please present a solution instead of continually pointing out flaws in proposals brought for consideration. In other words, bring solutions, not problems!
Mostly true (it was 2001) but not relevant. That was because Ferraro landed them in NCAA hell with the Mike Garcia recruitment, and the school chose to cut bait at the first opportunity. (Officially a Title IX casualty.)
Nothing like a $5.6M donation (in 2004) to heal past wounds.
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Well, because the entire conversation regarding DT has been couched in the theory that he wants to be our head coach. The balance has been about getting him some experience while keeping him nearby, but if you want to be obtuse now, well, you be you.
Again, as I say to my staff; Bring solutions, not problems.
Is it 2023 already?? Brain fart, I knew it was 2001 but I don’t think I knew the original reason for the axe. Money does heal all wounds though.
Scroll up. I posited that Varner and Kennedy could eventually move on, on their own. There's your opening, and it's a lot more realistic than Lock Haven firing Moore or Bucknell firing WIrnsberger.
But why do we have to find a college coaching job for Taylor? Dresser went straight from 18-year HS coach to VT, and seems to have done well. Taylor is coaching high school kids now -- and coaching them to a higher level of performance than Dresser did.
In any case: what's the rush to get rid of Cael, that we need to start placing his successor into jobs now?
You say bring solutions, but these are solutions in search of a problem that doesn't exist.
It's a conversation, not a debate. People were talking about DT and coaching. No one, no one, suggested we get rid of Cael. Speculation of the future was all that was happening.
I thought it was a two way discussion too, until I was told that I only bring problems and not solutions. After I had posted a realistic solution.
If we're gonna discuss purely hypothetical Taylor opportunities in a Cael-free vacuum, can we at least agree that those need to be opportunities that might actually pry Taylor away from his current arrangement + perhaps future M2 expansion?
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We need to groom a replacement for 2028. Cael is running for President and I am voting for him.
Whoa. Betting among College age students is done primarily via smart phones and women are not getting caught betting illegally? Duh.....women are much smarter at hiding things on their phones. ...........As if this even needed to be said.....
...........As if this even needed to be said.....NLWC does seem to be the only/likely option; maybe part-time at first, if they have that.
Of course things can change, but iirc DT has said the only college at which he would want to coach is PSU.
Of course things can change, but iirc DT has said the only college at which he would want to coach is PSU.
Well, I guess we should now start talking about how to convince him to be a head coach someday?
Oh, If the problem on the table was "how to get DT to be the coach?", you were actually only bringing problems to potential solutions.
Either way, no harm here, so let's turn our thoughts on how best to extend the dominance into the next millennium.
I’m guessing DT’s current set up is better for him while he is still competing than taking a college coaching job. He reports only to himself right now. I’m also guessing it’s more financially lucrative than any college position he could take while still competing.
I think the PSU staff is doing fairly well, so replacing them at this time seems a little silly. I can see a pattern here though of Cael producing less than five champions each year, and despite winning the team title going away, you guys becoming restless and calling for his head. It is only a matter of time before the fan base decides to no longer tolerate losses at any of the 10 weights.
Some guys get a little antsy on here when we don't qualify all 10 weights at NCAA's.
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