B1G Tournament Session 1 Thread

[Blackcat97]

When you wrestle Zain you are never safe on the bottom.
When you wrestle Nolf you are never safe once you step on the mat.
When you wrestle Bo you are in danger as you step off the scale at weigh-ins.

 

[LemonPie]

Langenderfer from Ill is pretty tough. #5 seed. Pretty desperate move by papa that I doubt works.

Won't there be a mini bracket for those losers? I think Ryan will get another chance to qualify if he loses. I guess he had zero faith in him against Murphy and wanted to save him.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

My perception is that Zain is a grind you down mat wrestler that will beat you to pieces and then look for the pin. Bo is just dangerous and is looking for the pin from every possible position. Nolf is TD and release guy first and foremost but will go for the pin if it presents itself or look for it towards the end if he has time before settling for a TF if he can't find the fall. Just my personal observations.

Huh? so why does Nolf pin so many wrestlers (often TD directly to back) then, if all's he can do is TD and release??? So why precisely are Zain, Jason and Bo #1, #2 and #4 respectively in the NCAA's Most Dominant Wrestling Standings going into the Conference Tournaments

NCAA STAT LEADERS - MOST DOMINANT
Division I
Rank, Name, School, Weight, Avg. Team Points
1 Zain Retherford, Penn St., 149, 5.47
2 Jason Nolf, Penn St., 157, 5.42
3 Gabriel Dean, Cornell, 184, 5.39
4 Bo Nickal, Penn St., 184, 5.33
5 Seth Gross, South Dakota St., 133, 4.69
6 Thomas Gilman, Iowa, 125, 4.68
6 Zahid Valencia, Arizona St., 174, 4.68
8 Isaiah Martinez, Illinois, 165, 4.64
9 Chad Walsh, Rider, 165, 4.43
10 Mark Hall, Penn St., 174, 4.38​

By the way, the ranking are done based on the "Average Team Points" per match the wrestler scored no matter whether they wrestled 30 matches or 10 matches. Retherford and Nolf are averaging virtually a pin per match rate, while Snyder is nowhere to be found on the list. Yea, Nolf is "just a TD and release" wrestler, LMFAO!

 

[dunkej01]

Won't there be a mini bracket for those losers? I think Ryan will get another chance to qualify if he loses. I guess he had zero faith in him against Murphy and wanted to save him.

When I say this outloud I dont know if i should smile or puke. Ryan is a piece of work, but shifty as hell too.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Is there any chance Jimmy doesn't qualify for Nationals?

 

[FineMaterial]

When you wrestle Zain you are never safe on the bottom.
When you wrestle Nolf you are never safe once you step on the mat.
When you wrestle Bo you are in danger as you step off the scale at weigh-ins.

Cute enough.
But keep working. It looks like Wreck and Nick are joining the club.

 

[El-Jefe]

When I say this outloud I dont know if i should smile or puke. Ryan is a piece of work, but shifty as hell too.

"Work" isn't the word I'd use, but I guess it'll do.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Is there any chance Jimmy doesn't qualify for Nationals?

FWIW, Byers said that Gulibon would be a "strong" at-large candidate if he did not auto-qualify.

 

[jack66]

Looks like Jimmy will be wrestling Profaci of Michigan.

Even though he comes in as 9 seed, he is no pushover. He has wrestled most everyone tough and owns a win over Randy Cruz.

 

[Cowbell Man]

FWIW, Byers said that Gulibon would be a "strong" at-large candidate if he did not auto-qualify.

Relax. Jimmy will auto qualify.

And if he didn't. The list of people who would have stronger resumes is about 10-12 deep.

Now take the 10-12 and subtract all that auto qualify and add the person in the big ten that doesn't auto qualify and beats him?

See? The list is stupid short. Jimmy will auto qualify anyway. Javier is the one guy I didn't want him to see.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

I know it may not be my place to jump in here, but why is it that anytime someone makes an observation you may disagree with, that you call them a "hater". I guess we are NOT PSU fans and only you are? Every one of these guys is a fan (well, not the HR guys....)

Having crushed my ankle a few times, I also question if it is as bad as it looks, and if Nick will even be able to wrestle in two weeks (or get much out of it if he does). I know medicine is better than in my day, but does questioning that make me a hater???? (being negative is kind of built into Philly sports fans...we can't help it).

Bruce is a hater because he questions whether Nick would "fake" an injury? I know people disagree, but to me faking is cheating, so I question it too. He looked tentative at best. Saying so does not make a person a "hater".

Can we stick with wrestling, forget the personal attacks, and just enjoy this time of the year?

Completely agree with your sentiments, Gebmo, but it's probably a waste of time and effort. The ignore feature can be your friend sometimes.

 

[Lyco1990]

Is there any chance Jimmy doesn't qualify for Nationals?

Really, get back on your meds

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Just dropping in to say Myles Amine is going to upset BoJo

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Relax. Jimmy will auto qualify.

And if he didn't. The list of people who would have stronger resumes is about 10-12 deep.

Now take the 10-12 and subtract all that auto qualify and add the person in the big ten that doesn't auto qualify and beats him?

See? The list is stupid short. Jimmy will auto qualify anyway. Javier is the one guy I didn't want him to see.

Thanks for the perspective. That's more or less why I added "FWIW" when passing along Byers' statement.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Really, get back on your meds

Wow...really? It was a legit question. Please try to excuse me for not being as informed as you are but it was a legit question about a wrestler that would be 13-9 (I think) if he loses his next match.

 

[Dogwelder]

... It looks like Wreck and Nick are joining the club.

So what is the new group name?
Five Fingers of Death?
Five Deadly Venoms?

 

[PSUisawesome]

Just dropping in to say Myles Amine is going to upset BoJo

50/50

 

[diggerpup]

Just dropping in to say Myles Amine is going to upset BoJo

Not a bad prediction. I think I agree with you

Anyone have a running list of upsets ?

I know Berger NEB 157 was upset.

Montoya NEB 133 was upset.

Z. Richards ILL got destroyed by Micic MICH

For having a strong dual team all year, Nebraska is doing terrible - only a single wrestler in the semis.

Meanwhile, Michigan is surging for them - 5 in the semis.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Huh? so why does Nolf pin so many wrestlers (often TD directly to back) then, if all's he can do is TD and release??? So why precisely are Zain, Jason and Bo #1, #2 and #4 respectively in the NCAA's Most Dominant Wrestling Standings going into the Conference Tournaments

NCAA STAT LEADERS - MOST DOMINANT
Division I
Rank, Name, School, Weight, Avg. Team Points
1 Zain Retherford, Penn St., 149, 5.47
2 Jason Nolf, Penn St., 157, 5.42
3 Gabriel Dean, Cornell, 184, 5.39
4 Bo Nickal, Penn St., 184, 5.33
5 Seth Gross, South Dakota St., 133, 4.69
6 Thomas Gilman, Iowa, 125, 4.68
6 Zahid Valencia, Arizona St., 174, 4.68
8 Isaiah Martinez, Illinois, 165, 4.64
9 Chad Walsh, Rider, 165, 4.43
10 Mark Hall, Penn St., 174, 4.38​

By the way, the ranking are done based on the "Average Team Points" per match the wrestler scored no matter whether they wrestled 30 matches or 10 matches. Retherford and Nolf are averaging virtually a pin per match rate, while Snyder is nowhere to be found on the list. Yea, Nolf is "just a TD and release" wrestler, LMFAO!

I didn't see "just a TD and release" wrestler in rvarzr's post. Nolf does get a lot more tds on average than Nickal and Zain. He picks his opportunties to go for the pin off the td. That being said, it obviously doesn't mean, as you show in the dominant list, that he isn't just as dominant a wrestler. Lighten up.

 

[Gebmo]

Completely agree with your sentiments, Gebmo, but it's probably a waste of time and effort. The ignore feature can be your friend sometimes.

Agreed about ignore, but to me, guns has a lot of good things to say too, and a lot of knowledge, so I'm hoping he sticks to that part and I don't need the ignore (in his case anyway). I have plenty of others across boards (some here, but mostly HR) on ignore because of unnecessary negative comments.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Not a bad prediction. I think I agree with you

Anyone have a running list of upsets ?

I know Berger NEB 157 was upset.

Montoya NEB 133 was upset.

Z. Richards ILL got destroyed by Micic MICH

For having a strong dual team all year, Nebraska is doing terrible - only a single wrestler in the semis.

Meanwhile, Michigan is surging for them - 5 in the semis.

Jensen also upset. Jammenz also upset.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

50/50

Stylistically I think Amine is a nightmare matchup for a guy with a bum foot/ankle

 

[21Guns]

Cowbell had it right: The worst possible guy Jimmy could have seen was Gasca.

 

[fen103]

Just dropping in to say Myles Amine is going to upset BoJo

Would't surprise me one bit.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Not a bad prediction. I think I agree with you

Anyone have a running list of upsets ?

I know Berger NEB 157 was upset.

Montoya NEB 133 was upset.

Z. Richards ILL got destroyed by Micic MICH

For having a strong dual team all year, Nebraska is doing terrible - only a single wrestler in the semis.

Meanwhile, Michigan is surging for them - 5 in the semis.

Especially impressive for Meechigan considering all the redshirts.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

I will add that a healthy Bo Jordan beats Myles Amine 9/10 times

 

[Hotshoe]

Okay guys, just dropped my 15. So, how are you accessing BTN Plus? From app or what? Thank you!

 

[dunkej01]

because its me and its here, this will seem like a homer pick, but I think Nevills beat Medberry.

I love the BoJo lossing pick. I also like Nate Jackson to win.

Something in the air tonight says there are more upsets coming.

 

[Lion8286]

Okay guys, just dropped my 15. So, how are you accessing BTN Plus? From app or what? Thank you!

I'm watching on Roku, but you can also access it on your computer.

http://www.btn2go.com/

 

[El-Jefe]

Jensen also upset. Jammenz also upset.

One of those is a permanent condition.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Huh? so why does Nolf pin so many wrestlers (often TD directly to back) then, if all's he can do is TD and release??? So why precisely are Zain, Jason and Bo #1, #2 and #4 respectively in the NCAA's Most Dominant Wrestling Standings going into the Conference Tournaments

NCAA STAT LEADERS - MOST DOMINANT
Division I
Rank, Name, School, Weight, Avg. Team Points
1 Zain Retherford, Penn St., 149, 5.47
2 Jason Nolf, Penn St., 157, 5.42
3 Gabriel Dean, Cornell, 184, 5.39
4 Bo Nickal, Penn St., 184, 5.33
5 Seth Gross, South Dakota St., 133, 4.69
6 Thomas Gilman, Iowa, 125, 4.68
6 Zahid Valencia, Arizona St., 174, 4.68
8 Isaiah Martinez, Illinois, 165, 4.64
9 Chad Walsh, Rider, 165, 4.43
10 Mark Hall, Penn St., 174, 4.38​

By the way, the ranking are done based on the "Average Team Points" per match the wrestler scored no matter whether they wrestled 30 matches or 10 matches. Retherford and Nolf are averaging virtually a pin per match rate, while Snyder is nowhere to be found on the list. Yea, Nolf is "just a TD and release" wrestler, LMFAO!

I didn't see "just a TD and release" wrestler in rvarzr's post. Nolf does get a lot more tds on average than Nickal and Zain. He picks his opportunties to go for the pin off the td. That being said, it obviously doesn't mean, as you show in the dominant list, that he isn't just as dominant a wrestler. Lighten up.

Really, perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills before you open your mouth next time. This is precisely what he said:

Nolf is TD and release guy first and foremost

Which is utter nonsense as the NCAA Most Dominant Statistics demonstrate (Nolf is averaging 5.47 team points per outing - IOW, he pins his man roughly 92% of the time, but yea, he's just a "TD and release guy", again LMFAO!

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Really, perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills before you open your mouth next time. This is precisely what he said:

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Which is utter nonsense as the NCAA Most Dominant Statistics demonstrate (Nolf is averaging 5.47 team points per outing - IOW, he pins his man roughly 92% of the time, but yea, he's just a "TD and release guy", again LMFAO!

You conveniently left off the rest of his statement and are taking the first part out of context. Oh well:

 

[johnstownsteel]

Why do so many people seem so testy today? Come on guys....we're going to be celebrating a big ten championship tommorrow night. Try to cheer up!

 

[johnstownsteel]

because its me and its here, this will seem like a homer pick, but I think Nevills beat Medberry.

I love the BoJo lossing pick. I also like Nate Jackson to win.

Something in the air tonight says there are more upsets coming.

I like these picks. I read where Jackson may have been injured at the end of his first bout. Hope that's not the case...

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Why do so many people seem so testy today? Come on guys....we're going to be celebrating a big ten championship tommorrow night. Try to cheer up!

When did you become the voice of reason?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You conveniently left off the rest of his statement and are taking the first part out of context. Oh well:

Yea, pinning your guy 92% of your starts (and being #2 in the NCAA's Most Dominant Wrestler Standings heading into Conference Tournaments by 5 one-hundredths of a point 5.42 to 5.47) is really just being a "TD and release guy first and foremost". Oh well:

 

[Blackcat97]

According to flo Cowboys got 10 in semis with all 10 bonusing in quarters...not quite the Big but man I hope Suriano can go.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Yea, pinning your guy 92% of your starts (and being #2 in the NCAA's Most Dominant Wrestler Standings heading into Conference Tournaments by 5 one-hundredths of a point 5.42 to 5.47) is really just being a "TD and release guy first and foremost". Oh well:

Nolf gets his share of falls and is right up there with Zain and Bo. I didn't run the numbers so I could be totally wrong but I would speculate that Nolf has a comfortable lead in TDs compared to the other two though. He seems to enjoy playing with his food before totally devouring it. Sometimes it's as if he's out there drilling and getting some work in before putting the opponent out of his misery.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Huh? so why does Nolf pin so many wrestlers (often TD directly to back) then, if all's he can do is TD and release??? So why precisely are Zain, Jason and Bo #1, #2 and #4 respectively in the NCAA's Most Dominant Wrestling Standings going into the Conference Tournaments

NCAA STAT LEADERS - MOST DOMINANT
Division I
Rank, Name, School, Weight, Avg. Team Points
1 Zain Retherford, Penn St., 149, 5.47
2 Jason Nolf, Penn St., 157, 5.42
3 Gabriel Dean, Cornell, 184, 5.39
4 Bo Nickal, Penn St., 184, 5.33
5 Seth Gross, South Dakota St., 133, 4.69
6 Thomas Gilman, Iowa, 125, 4.68
6 Zahid Valencia, Arizona St., 174, 4.68
8 Isaiah Martinez, Illinois, 165, 4.64
9 Chad Walsh, Rider, 165, 4.43
10 Mark Hall, Penn St., 174, 4.38​

By the way, the ranking are done based on the "Average Team Points" per match the wrestler scored no matter whether they wrestled 30 matches or 10 matches. Retherford and Nolf are averaging virtually a pin per match rate, while Snyder is nowhere to be found on the list. Yea, Nolf is "just a TD and release" wrestler, LMFAO!

Retherford: 13 falls, 2 TF in 19 matches
Nolf: 11 falls, 6 TF in 19 matches

Neither is "averaging virtually a pin per match rate." They are both wrestling almost exactly halfway between a TF (5) per match and a pin (6) per match rate. Are 5.47 and 5.42 closer to 5 or 6?

If you look at Nolf's falls versus Zain's falls this year, Nolf's scoring per bout, prior to the fall is likely much, much higher than Zain's, making him a TD/release wrestler. And, RVARZR did not use the word "just" in his post. You put that word in his mouth

 

[Gebmo]

Nolf gets his share of falls and is right up there with Zain and Bo. I didn't run the numbers so I could be totally wrong but I would speculate that Nolf has a comfortable lead in TDs compared to the other two though. He seems to enjoy playing with his food before totally devouring it. Sometimes it's as if he's out there drilling and getting some work in before putting the opponent out of his misery.

1 Peter 5:8 (Gebmo version) Your enemy the Nolf, prowls around the mat like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.