CBS Sports: Top 10 list: hardest hit by early NFL departures

[PA_JOE]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...rdest-by-early-entries-in-the-2019-nfl-draft/

PENN ST.
Penn State loses leading rusher Miles Sanders, which means the Nittany Lions are replacing a former five-star running back for the second straight season. The larger area of concern, however, is in the trenches. Penn State loses the entire right side of its offensive line in Connor McGovern and Ryan Bates, as well as two key members of its defensive line in Shareef Miller and Kevin Givens. Combine those departures with the loss of other key seniors on defense as well as quarterback Trace McSorley, and Penn State has a lot of production to replace in 2019

 

[GulfCoastLion]

Nice to know there are 3 other Big Ten programs hit harder than us, i.e. Iowa, scUM and Ohio State.

 

[marshall23]

Looks like we're in elite company.

 

[GregInPitt]

Nice to know there are 3 other Big Ten programs hit harder than us, i.e. Iowa, scUM and Ohio State.

Well, at least it's nice to know that those 3 program's names come before Penn State in an alphabetic list....

This 10 hit hardest list is not listed in any order other than alphabetic!!!!

 

[GulfCoastLion]

Thx for the clarification. In any case, we are not alone. Biggest potential concern is our OLine.

 

[Grant Green]

Look at the other teams on the list. Early departures suck, but also an indicator of how good your program is. Now realoading may be a different story, but we will see.......

PS. Very interesting to see Iowa St on the list. I'm a huge fan of Matt Campbell. Wonder if this is a testament to his player development.

 

[Pocono Lion]

Adam Rittenberg has us as one of the early entry losers in a similar article on ESPN.

 

[Howie'81]

Looks like we're in elite company.

Exactly. This should happen every year. Means we're doing something right.

 

[kijanacat]

Used to happen every year. Only we called it graduation back then.

 

[GregInPitt]

Thx for the clarification. In any case, we are not alone. Biggest potential concern is our OLine.

Honestly I'm not as concerned with the Oline (if there are no significant injuries to the 5 Fall starters) as I am about the Dline. We won't have to rely on true freshmen on the Oline with all the talent that will compete for the 2 open spots (Walker, Whigan, Miranda, Thorpe, Holmes, Scruggs, Effner), but since we need at least 4 DT's and 4 DE's to play each game we will need players that did not do much last season to step up considerably.

 

[royboy]

Look at the other teams on the list. Early departures suck, but also an indicator of how good your program is. Now realoading may be a different story, but we will see.......

Yeah, this just in, Kentucky and Duke basketball programs expected to be hurt by players going early to NBA.

 

[Howie'81]

Yeah, this just in, Kentucky and Duke basketball programs expected to be hurt by players going early to NBA.

Yeah. I think 1 and done in hoops is ridiculous, but the answer to the puzzle is recruiting and that's exactly what the top programs do. They recruit like banshees and that's what Franklin's doing.

 

[eidolon21]

Man I want PSU to be on a Top Ten List like this: Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Florida, OSU, Michigan, etc. CJF is obviously doing things the right way

 

[Thus Spoke Mainer]

Exactly. This should happen every year. Means we're doing something right.

How about this to chew over. Maybe all these early departures means THERE IS NOTHING TO COME BACK FOR. Maybe the perception is that we can never run the table in the B-10 East. We were fortunate that Iowa made a last second kick against UM in 2016 or we never would have gotten to Indy. We get great recruits, but the coaching is still lacking to use them in beating OSU, MSU and UM. Remember a lot of guys returned in '86 because they knew they could accomplish something. If the guys on team believe they won't win a championship if they stay, why should the fans?

 

[GulfCoastLion]

Y

Honestly I'm not as concerned with the Oline (if there are no significant injuries to the 5 Fall starters) as I am about the Dline. We won't have to rely on true freshmen on the Oline with all the talent that will compete for the 2 open spots (Walker, Whigan, Miranda, Thorpe, Holmes, Scruggs, Effner), but since we need at least 4 DT's and 4 DE's to play each game we will need players that did not do much last season to step up considerably.

To be honest, there’s experience concerns on both the OLine and DLine. This will be a test of the recuiting depth with young players needing to step up quickly, as well as a test of the S&C program to physically compete with the BIG upper tier programs. We’ve got the talent along both sides of the ball, but are they ready to contribute and produce now, with no appreciable dropoff ? Despite his Bowl game mishap, it’s nice to have Robert Windsor back.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Yeah, look at the common denominator with all those teams. Except for maybe the Iowa teams, those are all elite programs. Iowa State has the hottest coaching prospect in the country and is on the rise. I hope we are on that list every year. If Franklin’s pitch is going to be come here, get your degreee in three years and then get to the NFL, how is that a negative for anyone?

 

[GregInPitt]

Y

To be honest, there’s experience concerns on both the OLine and DLine. This will be a test of the recuiting depth with young players needing to step up quickly, as well as a test of the S&C program to physically compete with the BIG upper tier programs. We’ve got the talent along both sides of the ball, but are they ready to contribute and produce now, with no appreciable dropoff ? Despite his Bowl game mishap, it’s nice to have Robert Windsor back.

Replacing linemen, and all positions, is just part of college football. And how would any team expect to avoid some drop off when replacing players going to the NFL, at least to start the season. But my point is that I have more confidence in the ability to replace the Oline players, especially the interior line, than I do the missing talent in the DT rotation. Mirranda will be a redshirt soph and has played a lot and as good as he is he'll be challenged by a number of players for the Guard starting job, likely including a talented Thorpe, also in his 3rd year at PSU. I can't say I have the same feeling about the 4 players needed to play in a 4 or 5 man DT rotation along with Windsor. Other than the expectation that Mustopher is very likely to blossom in his 2nd year of playing....

And Miller is a big loss as well. YGM's 2018 success was at least somewhat enhanced by the fact that Miller had a great 2017 season and demanded the attention of the blocking schemes. It won't likely be just plug and play to get the same production when whoever wins Miller's DE starting position takes the field in 2019.

 

[GulfCoastLion]

We may agree to disagree on this one. Our OLine has taken longer to develop and quite frankly underperformed for longer than I can remember. This last season was no exception, as the so called experienced line was mediocre at best. I suppose they were better at pass blocking than run blocking.

Whereas the DLine has continued to produce at a relatively high level, despite many key graduations year over year. Last year was another good season, with contributions from many younger players. Losing Givens is the only real big loss, so I’m anticipating it to be another decent line. Lot’s of young talent that is quick and with size, just needing to get stronger. Coach Chaos has proven himself, unlike Limegrover IMO. Of course it remains to be seen. No doubt we’ve recruited well on the OLine, but until I see an overachieving unit, I’m concerned, especially with a new starting QB under center.

 

[danvillenit]

How about this to chew over. Maybe all these early departures means THERE IS NOTHING TO COME BACK FOR. Maybe the perception is that we can never run the table in the B-10 East. We were fortunate that Iowa made a last second kick against UM in 2016 or we never would have gotten to Indy. We get great recruits, but the coaching is still lacking to use them in beating OSU, MSU and UM. Remember a lot of guys returned in '86 because they knew they could accomplish something. If the guys on team believe they won't win a championship if they stay, why should the fans?

That’s pretty rediculous. Wouldn’t the best players be most concerned if that was the case, not the third stringers

 

[Nitwit97]

How about this to chew over. Maybe all these early departures means THERE IS NOTHING TO COME BACK FOR. Maybe the perception is that we can never run the table in the B-10 East. We were fortunate that Iowa made a last second kick against UM in 2016 or we never would have gotten to Indy. We get great recruits, but the coaching is still lacking to use them in beating OSU, MSU and UM. Remember a lot of guys returned in '86 because they knew they could accomplish something. If the guys on team believe they won't win a championship if they stay, why should the fans?

Money, money, money, money, money, money

Guys came back in the 80s because it meant they could postpone the real world for another year, and live like rock stars. Guys leave early now so they can get into the real world and live like rock stars.

Simple, right??

 

[jbenedict]

Money, money, money, money, money, money

Guys came back in the 80s because it meant they could postpone the real world for another year, and live like rock stars. Guys leave early now so they can get into the real world and live like rock stars.

Simple, right??

Wit nit this just doesn't sit well with me. I begin to question the whole TEAM thing. James maybe recruiting higher end players, but he is also bringing in youth that aren't interested at all about the team, but only themselves. If there are this many youth disgruntled about playing time I would suggest that there is division within the team. This maybe a reflection of their play. Maybe we need to change up our recruiting philosophy by bringing in 3 *'s who have something to prove. Players under Joe knew that they would not see significant playing time until their junior/senior year period. When they played they were ready, almost instant stars.

 

[danvillenit]

Wit nit this just doesn't sit well with me. I begin to question the whole TEAM thing. James maybe recruiting higher end players, but he is also bringing in youth that aren't interested at all about the team, but only themselves. If there are this many youth disgruntled about playing time I would suggest that there is division within the team. This maybe a reflection of their play. Maybe we need to change up our recruiting philosophy by bringing in 3 *'s who have something to prove. Players under Joe knew that they would not see significant playing time until their junior/senior year period. When they played they were ready, almost instant stars.

Makes sense. Let’s start competing with Illinois and Rutgers for players and then they will be stars somehow because they came to PSU.

 

[Nitwit97]

Wit nit this just doesn't sit well with me. I begin to question the whole TEAM thing. James maybe recruiting higher end players, but he is also bringing in youth that aren't interested at all about the team, but only themselves. If there are this many youth disgruntled about playing time I would suggest that there is division within the team. This maybe a reflection of their play. Maybe we need to change up our recruiting philosophy by bringing in 3 *'s who have something to prove. Players under Joe knew that they would not see significant playing time until their junior/senior year period. When they played they were ready, almost instant stars.

I didn’t say it sat well with me either, but to compare kids today to those in the 80s is missing a whole lot of the picture, no? The decisions are so much bigger now, when you are dealing with people turning pro. I cannot blame them, imagine your favorite hobby, now imagine getting paid a million dollars to do it, and being admired by many people for doing it. Sign me up for that!!

 

[harbest]

For purposes of validity, does the article:

A Take into account the red shirt talent that didn't see the field or were injured this season

B Any incoming "impact freshmen".

IMO, articles like this are worthless and speculative. I'll wait until August 31 to form my own opinion.

 

[heckmans]

How about this to chew over. Maybe all these early departures means THERE IS NOTHING TO COME BACK FOR. Maybe the perception is that we can never run the table in the B-10 East. We were fortunate that Iowa made a last second kick against UM in 2016 or we never would have gotten to Indy. We get great recruits, but the coaching is still lacking to use them in beating OSU, MSU and UM. Remember a lot of guys returned in '86 because they knew they could accomplish something. If the guys on team believe they won't win a championship if they stay, why should the fans?

So, the other schools on the list have guys going to the NFL because they are ready and come from great programs, but PSU has kids leaving early because of desperation. You are probably right. I hate us. At least I get my saturdays back now. Bye everyone!

 

[Nitt1300]

Maybe only recruit players with no NFL potential, then you will never be "hard hit" by early departures?

 

[Lion84]

Wit nit this just doesn't sit well with me. I begin to question the whole TEAM thing. James maybe recruiting higher end players, but he is also bringing in youth that aren't interested at all about the team, but only themselves. If there are this many youth disgruntled about playing time I would suggest that there is division within the team. This maybe a reflection of their play. Maybe we need to change up our recruiting philosophy by bringing in 3 *'s who have something to prove. Players under Joe knew that they would not see significant playing time until their junior/senior year period. When they played they were ready, almost instant stars.

Then we can change our name to Pitt while we are at it and achieve the same results.