DeSanto vs RBY

[nitlion6]

If I understand correctly, DeSanto has been diagnosed as being on the Autism spectrum, where individual behaviors can vary widely. (My adult son is mildly autistic, so I'm somewhat familiar with this condition). So he is really not wired quite the same as other individuals; particularly in adolescence, autistic individuals are more prone to outbursts and tantrums.

That being said, his outbursts have to be quickly identified, and dealt with. Absolutely, there should be consequences to his actions. He should not be held to a different standard than other wrestlers, but he does need more attention, consistent discipline, and prompt responses to problem situations.

I'd love to see him known only for his wrestling, and not for the outbursts.

I don't think anybody knows for certain what DeSanto's real story is. It isn't my business. However, it is obvious he needs to mature emotionally and he will get there. In the meantime there will be times he acts the jerk and is vilified for doing so. I think Spencer is a solid leader of a support mechanism, but I also believe his support system failed him by building him into a frenzy over the double dog dare to take bottom thing with Lizak and that was not doing the kid any favors.
Then the DeSanto thing. Just an opinion, but a stated expectation of control while on the mat would probably go a long way.

 

[RoarLions1]

No idea, just know it'll be fun, if it happens.

RBY has Parrish, Thornton, Pepple, Micic, Pletcher, Tutolo, and Duncan yet in the Big Ten. Four of those guys are InterMat top-20, and I suspect Micic will still be #1, and Pletcher top-3 when RBY wrestles them.

I'm excited for RBY that he has the opportunity to prove himself, and continue to work on his wrestling "game" during the season. Lot's of challenges ahead, he might not even get to wrestle DeSanto at B1G's.

Since RBY vs DeSanto may not happen, and if it does, the most likely place is at Big Ten's, I'm interested in how others think RBY will do against the four guys that are top-20 he is scheduled to wrestle during the regular season --
RBY vs Micic
RBY vs Pletcher
RBY vs Thornton
RBY vs Duncan

Guessing (and pretty sure) there's consensus vs Micic, Thornton, and Duncan on W/L, and Pletcher will be a close bout?

 

[dunkej01]

Since RBY vs DeSanto may not happen, and if it does, the most likely place is at Big Ten's, I'm interested in how others think RBY will do against the four guys that are top-20 he is scheduled to wrestle during the regular season --
RBY vs Micic
RBY vs Pletcher
RBY vs Thornton
RBY vs Duncan

Guessing (and pretty sure) there's consensus vs Micic, Thornton, and Duncan on W/L, and Pletcher will be a close bout?

I think I typed in the offseason that I liked Micic to win the NC this year with or without gross across the mat. Still feel that way. He is just too good in my eyes in all phases. Not that RBY cant win, he certainly could, but I just dont think this is his year to do that.

Pletcher is beatable due to his style on any given night. He is so defensive and comfortable that for RBY to beat him at his house he will need to attack (he does) and finish quick (he does). I think the dual could go Pletch's way and then RBY gets him back at the tournament(s).

Rby > Thornton

RBY > Duncan

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

Right now I feel DeSanto is better than RBY. He's better on top and bottom while perhaps a bit behind RBY on their feet. He's more seasoned as a college wrestler and his motor is better. You better be ready to go 7+ minutes with him or you lose. See Suriano match.

I agree RBY has the potential to catch and surpass DeSanto in the coming years but as a true frosh I can't give him the nod right now.

 

[findtheStrength]

i would say RBY will have trouble Micic, who doesn’t?! RBY will be ready for that match, and will be a tough out, but i’ll take the veteran. If RBY doesn’t lose focus, or to say he stays with his game plan, Thornton and Duncan should be victories. As for Pletcher, give me the electric Cael-trained wrestler over a traditional Tan Tom trained wrestler every day of the week

 

[NoVa Lion]

Since RBY vs DeSanto may not happen, and if it does, the most likely place is at Big Ten's, I'm interested in how others think RBY will do against the four guys that are top-20 he is scheduled to wrestle during the regular season --
RBY vs Micic
RBY vs Pletcher
RBY vs Thornton
RBY vs Duncan

Guessing (and pretty sure) there's consensus vs Micic, Thornton, and Duncan on W/L, and Pletcher will be a close bout?

Duncan fell behind Lizak 8-0 the other night and roared back and came close to sending the match to sv. Still I think RBY wins at least 2 out of 3 against Pletcher, Thornton, and Duncan and possibly all 3. I doubt he beats Micic although I certainly hope he does.

Right now I would favor DeSanto vs RBY but by the time of BIGs I think it may be a tossup. Cael and staff have been so good at getting guys prepared for the post season that I hate to bet against them.

 

[IANit]

The trick with DeSanto is to keep him from doing something really stupid until his brain and emotions mature. His behavior(s) will occasionally offend the wrestling community and others, but eventually it will come together for the kid and he will be fine. Getting there will just be a bit more bumpy than most paths traveled.

I watched the Suriano match on replay and was pretty impressed that he won at the end. But I thought it pretty telling that Brands had to run out to the middle of the mat and grab him after the match before his arm was even raised. At least they seem to know what they've got and how to deal with it. I like RBY to win, but he'll need to be ready for a full 7.

 

[IANit]

If I understand correctly, DeSanto has been diagnosed as being on the Autism spectrum, where individual behaviors can vary widely. (My adult son is mildly autistic, so I'm somewhat familiar with this condition). So he is really not wired quite the same as other individuals; particularly in adolescence, autistic individuals are more prone to outbursts and tantrums.

That being said, his outbursts have to be quickly identified, and dealt with. Absolutely, there should be consequences to his actions. He should not be held to a different standard than other wrestlers, but he does need more attention, consistent discipline, and prompt responses to problem situations.

I'd love to see him known only for his wrestling, and not for the outbursts.

Interesting. I hadn't heard anything about a diagnosis, but from watching him after matches I felt that he might have a spectrum disorder of some sort.

 

[SWPA]

Desanto himself stated that he needs to keep his emotions in check during and after the match. I will give him credit for that. While he hasn't shown a lot of progress so far, I like to think he will be able overcome his obstacles.

 

[TangSoo]

My impression of Desanto, before Friday, was that he would run into a couple blast doubles against the higher tier opponents (including RBY). Suriano can't seem to pull the trigger, but I think Desanto deserves a lot of credit as well. He imposed his will on Suriano (and may have rented some space in Suriano's head in the process). I'd lean Desanto against RBY right now, but agree with the suggestion that RBY has the higher ceiling.

 

[a_mshaffer]

I think his positioning is much better this year. Mueller and Tucker (I think) who he has lost to seem to be able to work around his dumps and score. Also, that was a decent shot on NS.

 

[BFosr1]

Man 133 at Big Tournament is gonna be insane, let along the National Tournament!

 

[RoarLions1]

Man 133 at Big Tournament is gonna be insane, let along the National Tournament!

Yeah, our group that goes to Big Ten's just love it. Much lower price than NCAA's ($25 per for geezers), and the wrestling is top drawer. All weight classes will have great wrestling, but yes, 133 may be the best at the conference tournament this year. Right now looks like 10 allocation slots for the conference, give or take one, depending on where Tutolo lands on the three criteria.

 

[midniteride]

I watched the Suriano match on replay and was pretty impressed that he won at the end. But I thought it pretty telling that Brands had to run out to the middle of the mat and grab him after the match before his arm was even raised. At least they seem to know what they've got and how to deal with it. I like RBY to win, but he'll need to be ready for a full 7.

Do they make headgears with built in muzzles?

 

[Real-Lion]

Man 133 at Big Tournament is gonna be insane, let along the National Tournament!

RBY is going to shock a ton of people. Young man is really good and seems very mature....