Agree he was gassing, but that's not why he went upper body. A lot of his offense is from the LH underhook, and he often shoots in order to stand up into it -- which is exactly what happened. Cenzo was ready for it.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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It's like he'd been coached?
No, no, no!
Cenzo was born knowing everything he knows about wrestling.
All that time spent with Abe, Strittmatter and the Penn State staff is so he can show off his skills in front of some folks knowledgeable enough about wrestling to appreciate his brilliance. Coaching is only done in Iowa City.
My recollection was that Imar's body language in the latter part of the second period was that of a defeated wrestler. I agree he wanted it to end quickly, but it seemed he didn't much care if it ended with him on his back.
It was a look of confusion. I think he realized Cenzo finally figured him out and no matter what he threw at him Cenzo had the answer. He didn't quit but he sure as hell had trouble figuring out what his next approach should be...
Martinez quitting or mentally/emotionally disengaging is not supported by the match itself. In the last 15 sec he took a shot, attempted to throw Cenzo, and countered Cenzo's throw with an elevator -- and he didn't half-ass any of those moves. They just didn't work. Cenzo was better.
I don't think Martinez was ready to throw in the towel either. However, I think starting with the takedown where Cenzo backtripped him, I could see Cenzo gaining momentum. If he had not caught Imar with the inside trip, I think a pretty good case could be made that he would have still scored on another takedown before the end of the 3rd.
I'll watch again tonight on espnu just for F*n and study it more
I think you can partially "check out" when things aren't going the way you expect them to and confusion sets in. I think you're right, he certainly didn't quit but I do think there was some mental disengagement when....well, when he realized Cenzo was better.
The problem with this theory is that NCAA champs get to be champs by not thinking or believing, but knowing they're the baddest MFer in the arena. They don't realize the opponent is better until the final whistle -- sometimes not even then -- and they certainly don't panic when losing by 1 point with 1:30+ left in the match.
I don't think he quit. I think he was gassed and knew he wouldn't win going 7 minutes (gassed partially physically and mentally) , take down for take down
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Sure these guys are confident and think they are the baddest MFer out there but I believe you can become distracted and even lose confidence in what you're doing out there when the other guy is matching you step for step and taking away everything that normally works for you.
Again, this doesn't square with him shooting, attempting a throw, and countering a throw in the last 15 sec of the match.
Actually Attempting half hearted shot , then a throw in a 1 point match with 1:40 left completely square with it. Plenty of time left to not try something desperate ... against at guy who's as good upper body wise as CJ, yet he did
And he didn't counter anything ...
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And go back a bit further. Watch him at the end of the 2nd period.
Has the same look he had in first math against Nolf
Has the same look he had in first math against Nolf
Lol. Good point.
Our guy won
But I like these discussions and getting others opinions & point of views. It's all in good fun
And again, I never said he quit, only that he may have lost confidence and maybe even second guessing what he was doing. You're talking about the last 15 seconds. Ok... I give you he took a shot. To me it looked like a half hearted attempt at a single leg. I think you'll watch it again and maybe even agree. Then you talk about the throw attempt....You'll notice after Cenzo easily countered the halfhearted shot attempt from Imar, Imar came to his feet and it was Cenzo throwing in double overhooks....IMar was upperbody on Cenzo out of default....Cenzo put him there. It then looks as if IMar went for the trip out of desperation. As for IMar countering the throw well all I can say is he had to at least try something at this point.
Again, I never said IMar quit, I only said I felt he was confused and becoming somewhat desperate. I think some things happened in the last 50 seconds of the 2nd period that had IMar questioning himself out there. Those last 50 seconds probably seems inconsequential but it was the point where I felt Cenzo was becoming the bully. He threw in that whizzer to stop an IMar takedown on the edge of the mat. After the restart, Cenzo was the one winning the handfighting, going upstairs and then down for a quick ankle pick...back upstairs and then even pushed/shoved IMar attempting to take him out. IMar tried to return the favor but Cenzo had none of it and held his ground to end the period. Between the second and start of the third, when IMar was looking to coaches for instruction, I honestly thought IMar knew right then and there nothing was working against this guy. I think he knew he was in trouble.
A look of confusion. He was looking at his coaches like " this isn't exactly how we wrote it up in our scouting and prematch discussion"...
at the moment......why corona tastes better in the US than it does in mexico.
This! ^^^^
I re-watched the match earlier today, and that jumped out more to me than anything. The look in his eyes is that his mind was searching for answers, but none were forthcoming. Took forever to reset on top and just looked mentally spent.
Yup - looked like me during draft day after hearing who the Iggles picked during the Andy Reid era
Corona is brewed in 7 places in Mexico. The stuff that comes here has exceptional water treatment/filtration capabilities. The stuff that stays in country uses this for water.
First IMar is a very good wrestler. Second, when he gets caught on his back he doesn't seems to have the skills to get out of a pinning situation.
Nolf's pin was one of the strangest I've ever seen and probably shouldn't have worked against most D1 wrestlers much less IMar. Against Cenzo IMar looked helpless from his back, not even trying to bridge. Granted, IMar's so good that he can probably count the times he's been on his back dating back to grade school, but that's no excuse, bridging is fundamental stuff.
The Danny Watkins stare ...
Corona is brewed in 7 places in Mexico. The stuff that comes here has exceptional water treatment/filtration capabilities. The stuff that stays in country uses this for water.
I drink corona light, that looks like corona heavy.....
Corona is brewed in 7 places in Mexico. The stuff that comes here has exceptional water treatment/filtration capabilities. The stuff that stays in country uses this for water.
That water looks better than Quilmes.
IMar went big trying a big move, in the beginning of the third, because he knew that was his last chance, with all the energy he had left. He knew he could not wrestle another 1:30 and still enough energy left to have any realistic way of scoring on Cenzo. It was either his inside trip worked or he was going to loose this match. As others have said, you could see it in his face as he slowly made is way back for the start of the third.
Don't think someone is going to quit on that stage. He looks like he gave up after the 2nd takedown when he was flat on the mat but I believe that is because Cenzo had him wrapped up pretty good. Careless attempt to get to his base may have resulted in a cheap tilt.
Watching it last night, this was the moment Imar's body language went south. He was making no effort to get up and was hitting the mat with his left hand. When he finally got up to his feet, he looked like he was out of answers, much like he did in the Nolf dual. There is also no way he should have been pinned in the final sequence. There was ample opportunity to get back to his base.
Your comment has made me revisit my TODO list:
I can get behind getting Spyker off suspension. I don't think the guy has ever been inside the wrestling room or the building the room is in, but he's not mean to anyone and he doesn't insult anyone. He's always optimistic and I don't think he deserves to be suspended, or at least I have never seen him say anything that I think would warrant it.
You must have missed the Jordan Oliver fiasco...just the tip of the iceberg of course.
Think about this, the guy was a paying customer and still got banned. There was alot of things that apparently you missed, especially on the pay board.
Think about this, the guy was a paying customer and still got banned. There was alot of things that apparently you missed, especially on the pay board.
He's good about not insulting people on this board but less good at not defaming people who aren't on this board. He's interesting because on the one hand he's a classic troll, and on the other declines to actually argue with anyone. I don't buy his act at all because with the degree of access and involvement he casually claims to posses, by now he'd have had to run into people who've met him in person.
My hypothesis going back in the 5-10 year range had been that somebody had created a "super fan" persona for poops and giggles. He/she's gone more specific since then, making me doubt myself a bit.
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