Yes, but what's the difference if the hole is at 25 or 33? But I see what Bob_anderson is saying.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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We don't have a hole this coming season at 133... Keener transferring in gave the lineup ten strong wrestlers, top to bottom.
Keener is a solid wrestler but I don't see him as a big scorer at NCAAs unless he shows quite a bit of improvement, which we know does not happen, Oh wait.
If that's the reason that doesn't quite fit with the previously rumored reasons for discontent having to do with how the injury was handled. Though I suppose if getting to 125 was tough, and he knew for certain he wasn't going to wrestle at the NCAAs, maybe having to cut to 125 up until a few days prior didn't sit well. The flip side of that take is that Cael was trying to preserve the only chance Nick would have to wrestle, regardless of how thin that chance was. The cynic's take to that is that Cael was also trying to prevent 125 from being re-bracketed to the advantage of Iowa/tOSU/OSU (and if that was the case, I'm fine with that--Nick earned that seed and Cael doesn't owe anything to the 33rd best wrestler at 125). Yeah, this is all speculation, but since all we have to go on is message board rumors and cryptic Flo comments (Willie's RT, and CP's retraction of the rumor being 100% bs to "it has legs..."), it's reasonable to think that the discontent at least is not being made up from whole cloth. It'd be nice if it was put to rest though.
As for NS going up to 133, that's probably tough on the coaches because they've recruited other guys on the presumption that 125 is locked down, and probably not recruited x guys at 125 for the same reason. 125 is probably the toughest weight to recruit for, though. Difficult for me to gauge whether 125 is too big a cut--I think he looks a lot like Gilman, who made 125 through his entire college run. Hard not to notice that Nick has zero body fat. No easy answers if a guy grows out of his weight class though, just especially tough when it's 125.
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Assume the weight issue is true. This had been rumored after nationals and makes little sense to bring in keener. NS moving up to 133 shouldn't have been that big of a deal. Better to have NS at 133 for three more years than get into a pissing contest that amounts to one year of eligibility for an unproven wrestler. A bird in the hand...
If Suriano does transfer to Rutgers he better stay away from the shore. Chris Christie might try to eat him for a snack on the beach..
Christie wouldn't do that. He and Nick are workout partners.
I have a hard time believing this is a weight class issue, but what do I know. Hopeful it works out, but not being on Campus at this time is a concern.
Congratulations and good for you. That's not an easy thing to do.
Get Chris Christie off that damn boat! Beach him already
Hey guys. I am a huge fan of RU wrestling and regular poster on the RU wrestling board. I came over here to see what was being said because, quite frankly, most of us didn't believe the rumor at first and thought it was BS. I am still not sure I buy it as I cannot fathom why he would leave your room.
Also, I was one of the posters who got the "Shitliner" banned from our site, so I am very skeptical of a rumor of this magnitude. Although our program is a good, competitive program, it is nowhere near elite at this point and we are simply not able to compete with the top 5 teams.
I am not hear to argue or flame - just to get information.
Also, I was one of the posters who got the "Shitliner" banned from our site, so I am very skeptical of a rumor of this magnitude. Although our program is a good, competitive program, it is nowhere near elite at this point and we are simply not able to compete with the top 5 teams.
I am not hear to argue or flame - just to get information.
IF that happened -- which I'm far from convinced -- hardly the first or last time a parent attempted to dictate his kid's best interests to Cael.
We couldn't take his crap anymore and had him banned. He started BS rumors and attacked anyone who questioned him. He couldn't even put a coherent sentence together.
Last year Cael wanted Nickal to stay down at 174 and Bo said "no". If what you say about Suriano has a ring of truth, I doubt it's as cut and dry as your definitive "no". It most certainly would NOT have to be a showstopper for the kid's extremely promising Penn State career.
This^^ (if playing along and assuming the weight issue with Suriano is legit). The staff has undoubtedly painted a scenario for Teasdale and RBY to get both in the lineup, and pretty sure that scenario does not include Suriano at 133.
Keener gives PSU a better dual meet team, as he fills in the gaping hole at 133 if Cortez isn't available at that weight. However, in three NCAA tourneys, Keener is 2-6 with a grand total of 3 team points. Maybe he can do a bit better in 2017-18, but chances are he will have minimal impact on the team race next season.
3 > 0 and the Bucks have a strong team this year. And after a season of wrestling against the guys in the room, I imagine he will be better than 3 points worth...
We've already been told in this thread by a Scarlet Knights' fan that the room doesn't matter.
Nick going up to 133 doesn't make a big diff in the team next year (or even following year) other than the need for a true 125 becomes immediate but it def throws a wrench in the world domination plans moving forward as even if Teasdale and RBY were to RS there's 3 guys for 2 spots by Nicks senior year...the young guys might not be willing to sign up for that which is understandable considering they have plenty of options *Assuming Cortez is at 141
Four guys for two spots if Nick Lee is at 141. And the math gets even trickier in the middle weights if Nick Lee grows into a 149 pounder.
I know it is a slow time but of all the stories to be in the forefront, this one sucks!! As hard as it is to see the kid going to an inferior program, if he truly can't or doesn't want to make 125, then it seems like this may have legs if Cael is wanting him to stay at 25. Would hate to lose this kid as he has NC written all over him next season. They don't owe us any answers but it would seem that if he was a sure thing to be coming back, he would have laid it to rest by now. That part is concerning.
Or maybe one or two never even sign on the dotted line. To me Cael has one of the greatest jobs in the world but in cases like this I don't envy him one bit.
Just a thought. Does this have anything to do with his father thinking of Nato ? I would think that Nick would be looking forward to kicking his butt. He will be suffering from cutting come March against other guys too.All rumor...IMO
Didn't McCutchen just say last week when he announced that he was officially returning for his final year that he was working a wrestling camp with Nick and that he was staying at PSU and wrestling 125!
Also, not all the wrestlers return and take the second summer session. A majority of upperclassman are not taking classes and working camps and clinics all over the country.
On a personal note, I had had a great conversation with Mr. Suriano before (wait for the irony) the Rutgers match in January and he had nothing but compliments and praise for the coaches and the job they were doing with Nick. I realize that the injury was the following month, but Mr. Suriano was very pro-Cael and Penn State.
Also, not all the wrestlers return and take the second summer session. A majority of upperclassman are not taking classes and working camps and clinics all over the country.
On a personal note, I had had a great conversation with Mr. Suriano before (wait for the irony) the Rutgers match in January and he had nothing but compliments and praise for the coaches and the job they were doing with Nick. I realize that the injury was the following month, but Mr. Suriano was very pro-Cael and Penn State.
Yes... I alluded to that on page 1 of this thread. There was a thread on FOS (Cutch) that made that point.
Good post. Taking you off Ignore.
I would think NaTo would have a bigger problem with the cut and will be surprised if he can maintain that weight by March. I would hope Nick's dad wouldn't come into play here but who knows...
It seems weird to want to leave our room for Rutgers. If this is truly about a weight cut, then more power to him but that seems to be weak if this is all about going to 133. Theoretically, our weights could be staggered to have Suriano wrestle 133 next 2 seasons and have a wrestle off his senior year with Teasdale (perhaps McHenry comes in 2019 to take 125 as well).
I have no info, but I have a feeling Suriano will stay.
I have no info, but I have a feeling Suriano will stay.
Ok, so far we have these rumors...
-Doesn't like the PSU atmosphere
-Homesick
-Doesn't like the handling of his injury
-Dad doesn't like Cael
-He wants to bump and Cael won't let him
Reasons to believe...
-A Willie tweet about a "rumor"
-He's not around in the Summer
-I heard from a "reliable" source
-He hasn't publicly shot it down
I'm so ready for the season to start!!!
-Doesn't like the PSU atmosphere
-Homesick
-Doesn't like the handling of his injury
-Dad doesn't like Cael
-He wants to bump and Cael won't let him
Reasons to believe...
-A Willie tweet about a "rumor"
-He's not around in the Summer
-I heard from a "reliable" source
-He hasn't publicly shot it down
I'm so ready for the season to start!!!
Not being around in the summer seems pretty significant to me, at least. If he went home and trained in Jersey for a little bit (like a week or 2), I don't see the harm. But spending the entire summer off campus should at least be alarming.
Yes. I would love to get McHenry. Young man is going to be special. I am not worried about Nick. He loves PSU.
Not saying any of this shouldn't be alarming, but there's so many different reasons given to justify a single rumor and then everyone finds ways to prove the validity of it through instagram investigation and regurgitations of information from reliable anonymous sources by anonymous message board posters. Woah, that was a long sentence!
Bottom line, my personal belief is that he'll be in PSU's lineup this season and I have no reliable sources on this, just my thought. Also my thought, if any of this rumored discontent between him and the program were true and serious enough to warrant his transfer, then we'd be better off going our separate ways anyhow.
Bottom line, if there's truth to any of this, then Cael and Nick will either solve it or they'll part ways. Either way, the PSU program will be better off with the decision that's made.
I tried to stay out of this as I figured that I didn't have anything of "value" to add, but I guess I felt the need to jump in anyway. Sorry for the additional clutter...
