Football Drew Allar named QB2 per Franklin

[LandoComando]

Allar and Veilleux competed and Allar won
Why shouldn't Veilleux transfer? I don't understand this mentality. Yes, I realize "back in the day" kids stayed no matter what but they shouldn't have. Some would have greatly benefitted from transferring and playing at a smaller school. Kids shouldn't stay at a program because of a choice they made during recruiting if they aren't going to play.
They went to school to play football not to "play school"

 

[wilbury]

I too would be concerned about putting Allar in a game @ ths point given the fact Veilleux is a known B1G game proven QB.

He threw 26 passes. Two less that Roberson. He's hardly a known quantity.

 

[wilbury]

If Pribula ever had to play in a meaningful game, the offense would look like it did at Iowa after Clifford went out. This is big loss if CV portals, and I think he will as we'll have two quarterbacks on the roster.

Who would you rather lose? It was either CV or Allar. That's inevitable.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

my question is why CJF chose to divulge this information publicly. He could have, simply, made the choice and sat on it unless he actually had to sub in for the starter.

It doesn't matter who the number 2 quarterback is if you never play him until the starter is knocked out of the ball game. Our beloved coach has a history of not preparing his backup quarterbacks with game time experience.

 

[AWS1022]

We all know some would be critical if Allar was #3. Particularly if CV won the job next year and Allar is a threat to portal.

It's all on Franklin though. This is the second (and third and fourth) guessing he gets after 11-11 the last 2 years.

Saban benched Hurts at halftime of a title game and his record was 20-something and 2 at that point. How many coaches would have done that?

How many coaches had Tua backing up Hurts? It’s easy to be different than other coaches when you have way more talent than everybody else.

 

[AWS1022]

It doesn't matter who the number 2 quarterback is if you never play him until the starter is knocked out of the ball game. Our beloved coach has a history of not preparing his backup quarterbacks with game time experience.

Apparently every coach in the world has the same problem….no one plays their second string QB unless the starter gets hurt.

 

[LandoComando]

Who would you rather lose? It was either CV or Allar. That's inevitable.

This^^^^

 

[bvillebaron]

Veilleux deserves to be named #2. Think Allar was named #2 for one reason. So he’d get more reps in practice.

And you base this on how many practices you attended this preseason?

 

[bvillebaron]

Allar and Veilleux competed and Allar won
Why shouldn't Veilleux transfer? I don't understand this mentality. Yes, I realize "back in the day" kids stayed no matter what but they shouldn't have. Some would have greatly benefitted from transferring and playing at a smaller school. Kids shouldn't stay at a program because of a choice they made during recruiting if they aren't going to play.
They went to school to play football not to "play school"

Oh reasons like Franklin said this competition isn’t set in stone and the urge to compete but hey I’m a dinosaur. Everything is immediate gratification these days.

 

[LandoComando]

Oh reasons like Franklin said this competition isn’t set in stone and the urge to compete but hey I’m a dinosaur. Everything is immediate gratification these days.

If CV is behind Allar he has nothing to gain by staying. I don't even understand why anyone would suggest he should.

 

[royboy]

If CV is behind Allar he has nothing to gain by staying. I don't even understand why anyone would suggest he should.

What are you saying?
Leave tomorrow? Don't bother to see how the season goes?

 

[LandoComando]

What are you saying?
Leave tomorrow? Don't bother to see how the season goes?

Yeah, he should leave tomorrow. Actually, I think he should have left with Allar signed but at this point with Franklin saying Allar is ahead of him the only thing staying does is delaying the inevitable.

 

[HazletonLion]

Yeah, he should leave tomorrow. Actually, I think he should have left with Allar signed but at this point with Franklin saying Allar is ahead of him the only thing staying does is delaying the inevitable.

So why don't those 4 and 5 stars at OSU sitting the bench leave ?

 

[lazydave841]

How many coaches had Tua backing up Hurts? It’s easy to be different than other coaches when you have way more talent than everybody else.

Day has a highly touted QB behind Stroud. I'm not certain he would bench CJ for him in the event he struggled a little. Particularly if the Buckeyes were facing us or Michigan. Much less in the playoff.

 

[Obliviax]

So why don't those 4 and 5 stars at OSU sitting the bench leave ?

sometimes they do. Burrow, now all-pro with the Cincy Bengals, left for one break-out year at LSU. It is one thing to be in a one-on-one competition, lose, and then see how your opponent performs in the game. It is another to get passed by an underclassman's first year, a true freshman first year in his/her first game.

 

[AWS1022]

Day has a highly touted QB behind Stroud. I'm not certain he would bench CJ for him in the event he struggled a little. Particularly if the Buckeyes were facing us or Michigan. Much less in the playoff.

You are correct, I don’t think he would. I also think in most cases Saban wouldn’t either, but he saw something he felt he could take advantage of with Tua in there.

 

[HazletonLion]

sometimes they do. Burrow, now all-pro with the Cincy Bengals, left for one break-out year at LSU. It is one thing to be in a one-on-one competition, lose, and then see how your opponent performs in the game. It is another to get passed by an underclassman's first year, a true freshman first year in his/her first game.

Bringing in Justin Fields from Georgia didn't help OSU's QB room. Justin was a QB that proves , if you going to recruit the #1 QB in the country you better play him. Also by most logic on this board every back up QB in FBS should transfer out.

Maybe CV is banged up or the #2 spot is week to week, it's not a big deal as some people make it. It's really no different than the RB's or LB's besides why do fans plant the transfer bug in the heads of our players, nonsense.

 

[Obliviax]

Bringing in Justin Fields from Georgia didn't help OSU's QB room. Justin was a QB that proves , if you going to recruit the #1 QB in the country you better play him. Also by most logic on this board every back up QB in FBS should transfer out.

Maybe CV is banged up or the #2 spot is week to week, it's not a big deal as some people make it. It's really no different than the RB's or LB's besides why do fans plant the transfer bug in the heads of our players, nonsense.

I understand what you are saying but tOSU has done just fine at the QB position. They lost both Joe Burrow and a top rated kid from TX last year (Quinn Ewers). They are just fine this year with Stroud and 5-* Kyle McCord (soph). They also have the number one QB, by some raters, sitting at #3 in Devin Brown (when Ewers portaled out, they signed Brown after taking a run at Allar and striking out). They also have a five star commit coming in next year named Dylan Raiola.

 

[lazydave841]

Bringing in Justin Fields from Georgia didn't help OSU's QB room

Actually it played a big part in their '19 and '20 seasons. Haskins went pro after '18. Burrow was going on year 2 at LSU in '19. Name the other QBs they had behind Fields. Stroud was there in '20. I cannot spell the guy who was there in '19s Name. Started with a C.

 

[Obliviax]

Actually it played a big part in their '19 and '20 seasons. Haskins went pro after '18. Burrow was going on year 2 at LSU in '19. Name the other QBs they had behind Fields. Stroud was there in '20. I cannot spell the guy who was there in '19s Name. Started with a C.

I found this interesting....

 

[lazydave841]

I found this interesting....

That is stunning TBH. We'll be dipping in the QB pool sooner than later.

 

[ryoder1]

Whatyou just pos

I understand what you are saying but tOSU has done just fine at the QB position. They lost both Joe Burrow and a top rated kid from TX last year (Quinn Ewers). They are just fine this year with Stroud and 5-* Kyle McCord (soph). They also have the number one QB, by some raters, sitting at #3 in Devin Brown (when Ewers portaled out, they signed Brown after taking a run at Allar and striking out). They also have a five star commit coming in next year named Dylan Raiola.

What you just posted is disheartening.
There is no way we can keep up. Let's say Allar is the real deal so his last season is' 24. We have to land the next Allar for the '24 class and have them in waiting. Are we in the running for any high 4 star or even 5 star QBs for the '24 class?

 

[Obliviax]

Whatyou just pos
What you just posted is disheartening.
There is no way we can keep up. Let's say Allar is the real deal so his last season is' 24. We have to land the next Allar for the '24 class and have them in waiting. Are we in the running for any high 4 star or even 5 star QBs for the '24 class?

All five stars don't work out. But I agree, we are so far behind in QB recruiting and development it isn't funny. And its been that way since hackenberg. But you can only play one at a time.

 

[ram2020]

All five stars don't work out. But I agree, we are so far behind in QB recruiting and development it isn't funny. And its been that way since hackenberg. But you can only play one at a time.

Which I think is why we are trying a different approach. Gotta play allar, gotta be his team, gotta get him to the league. Then, market QB development....recruit, rinse repeat

 

[LandoComando]

So why don't those 4 and 5 stars at OSU sitting the bench leave ?

Like Burrow and Ewers?

 

[PAgeologist]

Which I think is why we are trying a different approach. Gotta play allar, gotta be his team, gotta get him to the league. Then, market QB development....recruit, rinse repeat

That's what the big boys do. Hopefully PSU starts this with Allar. Allar seeing a nice amount of playing time this year will pay off the next 2 years.

Gotta stop beating the piss out of the QB as well. QB is by far the most important position on the field and Franklin needs to treat it as such. If the OL can't protect, modify the scheme to help out.

 

[ram2020]

That's what the big boys do. Hopefully PSU starts this with Allar. Allar seeing a nice amount of playing time this year will pay off the next 2 years.

Gotta stop beating the piss out of the QB as well. QB is by far the most important position on the field and Franklin needs to treat it as such. If the OL can't protect, modify the scheme to help out.

Ive been saying it for 3 years. All of our QBs under Franklin depreciate, get injured, and become mentally cucked. He wants them to play like he did at Stroudsburg(watch his tapes). If your first read isn't open, run around like a loon, make it happen with your feet. Few years ago at Rutgers interviewed at halftime he actually said "Sean needs to finish more runs." Said nobody about a QB ever. Allar doesn't strike me as fleet of foot, time to stop relying on QB draws as our "must have" play. I swear, if we treat Clifford like a fullback again this year I am going to lose it.

 

[LandoComando]

Ive been saying it for 3 years. All of our QBs under Franklin depreciate, get injured, and become mentally cucked. He wants them to play like he did at Stroudsburg(watch his tapes). If your first read isn't open, run around like a loon, make it happen with your feet. Few years ago at Rutgers interviewed at halftime he actually said "Sean needs to finish more runs." Said nobody about a QB ever. Allar doesn't strike me as fleet of foot, time to stop relying on QB draws as our "must have" play. I swear, if we treat Clifford like a fullback again this year I am going to lose it.

You'll "lose it" by around 930 pm on Thursday then

 

[ram2020]

You'll "lose it" by around 930 pm on Thursday then

I really hope not. I like Franklin and would really like to see some growth. This offense needs to mature, this line needs to get physical, we need to manage the clock better. Clifford, while somewhat athletic, should never have more rushing attempts than our RB's. You recruited 4 and 5 star recruits at the backfield, let them get the tough yards. Balance, tendency busters, more manageable 3rd downs, less reliance on the QB run, physical O-Line, all things I am looking for Thursday....praying for.

 

[LandoComando]

I really hope not. I like Franklin and would really like to see some growth. This offense needs to mature, this line needs to get physical, we need to manage the clock better. Clifford, while somewhat athletic, should never have more rushing attempts than our RB's. You recruited 4 and 5 star recruits at the backfield, let them get the tough yards. Balance, tendency busters, more manageable 3rd downs, less reliance on the QB run, physical O-Line, all things I am looking for Thursday....praying for.

I really liked Franklin when we hired him. I thought he was the perfect hire. Even a couple years in I was optimistic but this is year 9--I no longer have that optimism. Hopefully you're right--I would love to be wrong as I know he's not going anywhere. I just see more of the same and another 7/8 win season

 

[AWS1022]

Ive been saying it for 3 years. All of our QBs under Franklin depreciate, get injured, and become mentally cucked. He wants them to play like he did at Stroudsburg(watch his tapes). If your first read isn't open, run around like a loon, make it happen with your feet. Few years ago at Rutgers interviewed at halftime he actually said "Sean needs to finish more runs." Said nobody about a QB ever. Allar doesn't strike me as fleet of foot, time to stop relying on QB draws as our "must have" play. I swear, if we treat Clifford like a fullback again this year I am going to lose it.

When he said that about Sean, he was referring to the fact that Sean could have easily gotten 3-5 more yards on his runs before sliding without any risk of injury. If you paid attention to that game you would have seen that’s what he was referring to.

 

[ram2020]

I really liked Franklin when we hired him. I thought he was the perfect hire. Even a couple years in I was optimistic but this is year 9--I no longer have that optimism. Hopefully you're right--I would love to be wrong as I know he's not going anywhere. I just see more of the same and another 7/8 win season

I actually am becoming less concerned about record, I want to see something different. Physical O-line, less focus on running the qb, an offense that fits the players. Sound special teams play. A win after a loss. Better clock management. Just lose differently if that makes sense. Then we can build into the future with some idea of how to play big ten football.

 

[ram2020]

When he said that about Sean, he was referring to the fact that Sean could have easily gotten 3-5 more yards on his runs before sliding without any risk of injury. If you paid attention to that game you would have seen that’s what he was referring to.

I'll make this really simple : If your Head Coach's one underlying point of a half of football is that your QB didn't finish enough of his runs(3 yards, 5 yards, 20 yards), you're on the wrong track.

 

[AWS1022]

I'll make this really simple : If your Head Coach's one underlying point of a half of football is that your QB didn't finish enough of his runs(3 yards, 5 yards, 20 yards), you're on the wrong track.

Not if your QB kept coming up a couple yards short on first downs. That’s a criticism from someone who’s looking for a reason to criticize.

 

[ram2020]

Not if your QB kept coming up a couple yards short on first downs. That’s a criticism from someone who’s looking for a reason to criticize.

Plenty of reasons to criticize without "looking" too hard, we are 11-11 the past two years and our QB play has been bad. You obviously didn't watch that game intently as our endemically injured qb spared his body on one particular first down opportunity. Amazing that is what a coach would underscore at halftime, but when you used to be a sh*tty QB running around taking hits and playing back yard football, its all you know I guess.

 

[ryoder1]

Which I think is why we are trying a different approach. Gotta play allar, gotta be his team, gotta get him to the league. Then, market QB development....recruit, rinse repeat

Yeah makes sense and hopefully he produces in a big way for us to get the train rolling at QB. It will never happen but lets say the season kind of goes off the rails and after the O$U game we have 5 losses. At that point it would be great if Allar could just finish the season as the starter to get valuable experience for '23.

 

[ryoder1]

I really hope not. I like Franklin and would really like to see some growth. This offense needs to mature, this line needs to get physical, we need to manage the clock better. Clifford, while somewhat athletic, should never have more rushing attempts than our RB's. You recruited 4 and 5 star recruits at the backfield, let them get the tough yards. Balance, tendency busters, more manageable 3rd downs, less reliance on the QB run, physical O-Line, all things I am looking for Thursday....praying for.


It really is all about being more physical starting with the O-Line. I did not get a lot of confidence from Franklin yesterday that the O-Line will be better. I know he doesn't want to overpromise but I am skeptical. With Singleton and Allen I hope we can run as that will be key to controlling the line of scrimmage and clock thus keeping Purdue off the field.

 

[PAgeologist]

I really hope not. I like Franklin and would really like to see some growth. This offense needs to mature, this line needs to get physical, we need to manage the clock better. Clifford, while somewhat athletic, should never have more rushing attempts than our RB's. You recruited 4 and 5 star recruits at the backfield, let them get the tough yards. Balance, tendency busters, more manageable 3rd downs, less reliance on the QB run, physical O-Line, all things I am looking for Thursday....praying for.

It seems like Clifford takes a bigger beating at QB than most option QBs do. Not that I watch them every week, but I don't recall seeing the QBs for the military academy teams get knocked around like he does.

 

[MacNit07]

So why don't those 4 and 5 stars at OSU sitting the bench leave ?

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[MacNit07]

It seems like Clifford takes a bigger beating at QB than most option QBs do. Not that I watch them every week, but I don't recall seeing the QBs for the military academy teams get knocked around like he does.

The military academies can run block.