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Everything Gophers?

Should I start an Everything Gophers thread

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You can throw all your B10 stats in the garbage - Penn State wasn't part of that until 1992. JRob was and is a great coach, no question. Cael is better though. As for National Duals titles, you can keep those. They're not recognized by the governing body (NCAA), and based on attendance levels, the fans don't care about them either.

Jams just keeps on reeling them in with the dual stuff.
 
Sadly I am 3 points down in the polls. For those who value fact-based commentary over invective, here is a summation of the thread:

The B1G Frosh of the Year was started in 1988. Minny (Nix, Lawrence, Reiter, D Schlatter,J Ness), Iowa (Tom Brands, McIlravy, McGinness, Mocco, McDonough), PSU (Kolat, Hunter, Billman, Storniolo, Taylor) are all tied for lead with 5 each.
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The B1G Coach of the Year has been won 6 times by Penn State. Fritz, Sunderland, Cael 4x. JRob has won it 8 times, single-handedly tied for most wins with Iowa's coaches.
B1G titles won: Cael 4, JRob 6.
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The Big Wrestler of the Year was established in 1986. Penn State has won it 6 times: Kolat, Hunter, Taylor 3x, Ruth. Minny has won it 8 times: Giese, Zuniga, Konrad 2x, Morgan, Hartung, J Ness, Lewis.
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PSU has a winning record against almost all teams. They even started out with a 5-0 record against Minny since their first meeting in 1986. As you all know the tide quickly turned and Penn State hasn't beaten the Gophers since Feb 6, 1998. Other teams with losing records to:
Illinois......... 6-9 began 1956
Iowa........... 8-26-2 began 1982
Iowa State. 10-13-1 began 1921
Okie State.. 6-12-1 began 1982
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Here are teams top 10 finishes for the last 20 years. If you finished out of the top ten that year then you were assigned a value of 11. Penn State ends up a surprising tied for 4th/5th with nobody else close. I mean, who knew?

1)........... Iowa 20/20, mean 2.9, median 2.5, mode 1.
2)...... Okie St 19/20, mean 4, median 3.5, mode 3
3)......... Minny 18/20, mean 4.5, median 3, mode 2
4/5)........ PSU 13/20, mean 6.2, median 7.5, mode 11
4/5)....... IA St) 13/20, mean 6.6, median 6, mode 11

NWCA National Duals championships: Minnesota 9, PSU.........1

NCAA team Titles: Minnesota 3, PSU..........7
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You got it backwards. It was J's camp that the U of Iowa wanted to muscle in on. The Iowa admin didn't do Gable any favors with that moronic move. Gable won 7 titles in 8 years with JRob, but only 8 titles in 13 years after.
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... Cael's 4-10-1 dual record vs the Big Three (Minny, Iowa, Okie St)...
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If only Penn State had found some success at the Duals, things may have turned out differently. Oh wait, 15 podiums in 17 appearances through 2009, including 2 titles, 3 thirds, and 4 fourths.
Perhaps a more appropriate title to this thread, would be "Goofer Dual Accomplishments".;)
 
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Overall Dual Winning Percentage: Sanderson .852 Robinson .752

Sanderson at Penn State; in the official ncaa/conference championship events:

NCAA Championships: Penn State 5 Minnesota 0 (6-1 overall)

Big Ten Titles: Penn State 5 Minnesota 0 (5-2 overall)

I'd say Cael has done just fine vs J. Robinson. In fact it's been pretty much domination. Sure J. has been fortunate with the dual results; a tie that under current rules would of been a loss, home cooking refs or avoiding a sever beat down because of scheduling, but that really doesn't matter to anyone other then a select few brain dead Gopher fans just fishing for anything positive about their program as it spirals down the toilet. Well at least J. will beat Cael in scandal resigns, right Jammen?
 
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"For those who value fact-based commentary over invective" is awfully rich coming from Flo's #1 PFP troll, aka Mr. Link or It Didn't Happen.
 
Overall Dual Winning Percentage: Sanderson .852 Robinson .752

Sanderson at Penn State; in the official ncaa/conference championship events:

NCAA Championships: Penn State 5 Minnesota 0 (6-1 overall)

Big Ten Titles: Penn State 5 Minnesota 0 (5-2 overall)

I'd say Cael has done just fine vs J. Robinson. In fact it's been pretty much domination. Sure J. has been fortunate with the dual results; a tie that under current rules would of been a loss, home cooking refs or avoiding a sever beat down because of scheduling, but that really doesn't matter to anyone other then a select few brain dead Gopher fans just fishing for anything positive about their program as it spirals down the toilet. Well at least J. will beat Cael in scandal resigns, right Jammen?
Just for the sake of facts while this is all true J does have a national title over a Cael coached team who took 2nd in 07....
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Some of those pics bore a striking resemblance to the late John Holmes, so maybe avatar isn't the best indicator.

That's actually the main reason I find Jammen tolerable -- the avatars prove the guy has as sense of humor.
 
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G6, I'm sorry to have to tell you this but Cropduster and his fellow ne'er-do-wells have voted this thread out of existence.
 
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You can throw all your B10 stats in the garbage - Penn State wasn't part of that until 1992. JRob was and is a great coach, no question. Cael is better though. As for National Duals titles, you can keep those. They're not recognized by the governing body (NCAA), and based on attendance levels, the fans don't care about them either.

Yea, I like how he just skips over Cael's b1g record (i.e., since coming to PSU). Cael gave his reasons for leaving Ames to take the PSU job (i.e., "because I can create a dynasty at PSU"). The folks from Iowa and Minny at the time said that Cael would have trouble backing up his words and basically laughed at Cael's statement......hhhhhmmmm, I don't think they're laughing so hard anymore given that Cael has reeled off 5 National Championships in his first 7 years at PSU.
 
G6, I'm sorry to have to tell you this but Cropduster and his fellow ne'er-do-wells have voted this thread out of existence.
Don't take this personally, but it probably wasn't this thread that was voted out of existence.

Or take it personally.
 
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I'm afraid the Hoi Polloi have spoken. That's the problem with a democracy.
 
hard to imagine these kids being fan favorites or welcomed by the wrestling alumni all considering. Prayers to the families as they move forward but if I was a betting man transfers will follow the exposure.
I really doubt it, tbh. Seems like they've gotten the troops all on the same page, moving forward. However, I'm not even remotely in the know about it, so I could be completely wrong, too.
 
That's a big hit for them. I don't think any of them are going to transfer though. Most already have suspicions it was them
 
Considering the allegations and what happened with JRob, I really don't think suspensions until Jan 1st are all that bad. I thought they might lose those those guys for a full season, which would of been a huge hit.
 
hard to imagine these kids being fan favorites or welcomed by the wrestling alumni all considering. Prayers to the families as they move forward but if I was a betting man transfers will follow the exposure.

I really doubt it, tbh. Seems like they've gotten the troops all on the same page, moving forward. However, I'm not even remotely in the know about it, so I could be completely wrong, too.

The kids and their families will do what's best. This is still a lot for 18 year olds to deal with, a change of scenery might be necessary for some. Hope their fan base is supportive, just never know. This is a very individual, personal matter.
 
Guys the team stays whole. See ya in January.

They were dealing a controlled substance.

A wrestler OD.

A principled man took the fall.

And these guys only get humiliation and 2 months off?

The only wave that could cover this is A LOT of winning.
 
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Go easy. It's only a matter of time until a similar event happens at our school. I think if they can learn from it and move on, it's a success. Kids do dumb things whether they're from MN, IA, OK, PA...no one's immune.
This isn't just a matter of run-of-the-mill college kid stupidity. You don't want to be known for bringing down a legend. If this is how Minnesota sees them, then they're better off elsewhere. ("If" because I don't know how they'll be perceived there.)
 
Go easy. It's only a matter of time until a similar event happens at our school. I think if they can learn from it and move on, it's a success. Kids do dumb things whether they're from MN, IA, OK, PA...no one's immune.

Yea man...they're just "kids"...Wtf? Who cares if they would have lost their job (in many cases) or done time if they were in the military for selling to their fellow Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, or Airmen. Two months suspension is enough dang it. Wouldn't want them to miss any B1G duals because that would too drastic.

I have a question in general...when do these kids become adults? Law says 18 but when do they become accountable? I ask this because I see this a lot on the message boards whether it was PSU, Minne, Iowa etc when they screw up. Many of us complain about the millennials but when they screw up, we put up the "kid blockade."

BTW, this isn't a hit on you Dropster or even about the Minne guys (that's for my Bro, he knows who he is) but more about society in general. It would be one thing to kick them out of school but wrestling in one the finer programs in the nation is a big-time privilege IMO. If it were a fight, underage drinking or something minor like that, it would seem an appropriate punishment. But damn, selling drugs like this? I guess I'm just dumbfounded as to the why...2/4 kids I know for sure come from good families.
 
No offense taken. To answer the question of "when do they become adults?", it has a lot to do with brain science. If you send a 20 year old thru an MRI and look at the picture produced, it will show certain parts of the brain as being undeveloped. The part that's associated with risk analysis is physically (and functionally) deficient up until their mid 20's. So, that why they make "dumb" decisions...and great front line soldiers. It's because they can't measure risk like an older person with a fully developed prefrontal cortex. They are mentally retarded in this area - literally.
 
This isn't just a matter of run-of-the-mill college kid stupidity. You don't want to be known for bringing down a legend. If this is how Minnesota sees them, then they're better off elsewhere. ("If" because I don't know how they'll be perceived there.)

I'm guessing that the MN fans will...eventually...see it for what it is - something to learn from and never repeat. Hopefully all of the schools recognize that they are also susceptible to this sort of event. Theres a lot of danger in complacently thinking that it only happens to the other guy.
 
For what it's worth, Minnesota competes January 1st at that tournament you guys are missing for the first time since it moved to Chattanooga.
 
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