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Fan Duel says OSU -5.5

So let me get this straight... you're actually arguing that Penn State's rushing yards are mostly in the 2nd half of games (and, therefore, not as valuable?), but OSU's rushing yards are evenly dispersed for each half and even each quarter? And only PSU opponents get tired in the 2nd half, but Ohio State's opponents are equally strong in each half? That is laughable, but even if it were true - it doesn't matter when we get the rushing yards as long as we get them. In fact, I'd rather be able to run the ball, grind out 1st downs and score points in the 2nd half than in the 1st half.

Regardless, in those same 4 non-FCS games, PSU averaged 3.87 yards/rush while Ohio St averaged 3.96 yards/rush. And if you just take away the one long 61-yard run by OSU vs Notre Dame, Ohio St's overall rushing yards and yards/rush average both decline significantly.
They're valuable but you have to fully understand why they're happening. The other team's defense is dying because of our elite our defense is. Ohio State has played better offenses than we have.

So--Ohio State and Penn State are basically the same in yards per attempt (which you should have known before the crazy rant) to the point you're trying to eliminate a long wrong because we lack explosive plays.
 
I have not heard of any contemplated move concerning Day. He wins almost 90% of his games and has kept the program relatively scandal free. Why would OSU move on? 2 more losses to UM and the picture might change.
Because they expect more--not saying it makes sense but just being realistic about it.
 
They're valuable but you have to fully understand why they're happening. The other team's defense is dying because of our elite our defense is. Ohio State has played better offenses than we have.

So--Ohio State and Penn State are basically the same in yards per attempt (which you should have known before the crazy rant) to the point you're trying to eliminate a long wrong because we lack explosive plays.
LOL... I make 3-4 posts a week on here compared to the 400-500 posts/week you make, but mine was a "crazy rant" because I actually posted some actual data to support my argument. Got it... wow - you truly are a piece of work. Now I am understanding why so many posters have you on "ignore".
 
LOL... I make 3-4 posts a week on here compared to the 400-500 posts/week you make, but mine was a "crazy rant" because I actually posted some actual data to support my argument. Got it... wow - you truly are a piece of work. Now I am understanding why so many posters have you on "ignore".
The people that have me on ignore are the ones that don't like to be challenged
You posted incomplete and cherry-picked data which the yards/carry proved, right?
Then you still tried to dismiss it
 
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all these stats are nice, but you may want to examine Allar's stats on the road...psu's defense will keep it close for a half, but unless the offense has an A plus game, you're going to take the "L"..
 
all these stats are nice, but you may want to examine Allar's stats on the road...psu's defense will keep it close for a half, but unless the offense has an A plus game, you're going to take the "L"..
Don't ya just love how Michigan fans always root for Ohio State when they play Penn State? 😆 🤣 😂

By the way the line is already down to 4 after opening at 5.5
 
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all these stats are nice, but you may want to examine Allar's stats on the road...psu's defense will keep it close for a half, but unless the offense has an A plus game, you're going to take the "L"..
you mean both of them? the one where we scored 30 or the one where we scored 41?

LOL
 
all these stats are nice, but you may want to examine Allar's stats on the road...psu's defense will keep it close for a half, but unless the offense has an A plus game, you're going to take the "L"..
It's very possible but McCord hasn't exactly been great against good defenses. I'm much more worried about Michigan than Ohio State but until Penn State proves they can win the skepticism is warranted.
 
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all these stats are nice, but you may want to examine Allar's stats on the road...psu's defense will keep it close for a half, but unless the offense has an A plus game, you're going to take the "L"..
Disagree. OSU's offense is good but it is banged up and not as good as last year. This game could go either way.
 
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yes, both of them, against terrible big ten teams and allar looked pedestrian....college players are more affected by a hostile road environment than pros, for obvious reasons...osu is not the juggernaut it has been recently, but they are still a top 5-8 team on a neutral field, and arguably top 3 at home..they struggle at run blocking, but have been very good at pass protection, which could offset psu's pass rush...they have game breaking wr's, can change a game on one play..psu has had a run game, and controlled passing attack..unless allar can do what he hasn't all year, hit big plays downfield, osu will smother short passes and the run game...either psu and aller make big plays, something that hasn't been done this year, or your offense will struggle..
 
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Disagree. OSU's offense is good but it is banged up and not as good as last year. This game could go either way.
yes, but your most productive RB's will be healthy, chip and hayden...and yes, while not as good as last year, it's plenty good enough to beat psu...score 21 points and you win, psu will struggle to get 17
 
There are 3 games. It would not surprise me if the home team won all 3. That's not what we want as Penn State fans as we all have more faith against osu than mich...BUT fans don't see everything straight.

I'm calling for a close win but a loss is not the end of the world. Beaver Stadium is an animal that has been far more of a nightmare for Michigan than Ohio State and our young qb plays better at home.

Joel Klatt at the beginning of the season called for each team to go 1-1 with the home team winning all 3 times. This is the opinion I agree with. Klatt had Ohio State winning the tiebreaker because of the 3 opponents they have being the best. Right now that's not necessarily how it's looking due to the bottom falling out in Minnesota on P.J. Fleck.

I placed that tiebreaker thread on Klatts premise as I tend to agree with him. Keep an eye on Northwestern and Illinois because if they both keep improving then Penn State will ride them all the way to indy. I have 100 percent belief that this will be the actual scenario that Plays out.
 
yes, both of them, against terrible big ten teams and allar looked pedestrian....college players are more affected by a hostile road environment than pros, for obvious reasons...osu is not the juggernaut it has been recently, but they are still a top 5-8 team on a neutral field, and arguably top 3 at home..they struggle at run blocking, but have been very good at pass protection, which could offset psu's pass rush...they have game breaking wr's, can change a game on one play..psu has had a run game, and controlled passing attack..unless allar can do what he hasn't all year, hit big plays downfield, osu will smother short passes and the run game...either psu and aller make big plays, something that hasn't been done this year, or your offense will struggle..
Penn State isn't into football beauty contests. Teams have played us to take away the explosive plays while stopping the run. They play their safeties close to the LOS and tell their CBs to not get beat deep. That leaves a grind-it-out ground game and intermediate passes. And that is what we've done. We haven't played anyone the caliber of the two-loss ND team, the one that outplayed tOSU, but we've won them all handily. Our starters are fresh and, for the first time, have our #2 WR.
 
yes, but your most productive RB's will be healthy, chip and hayden...and yes, while not as good as last year, it's plenty good enough to beat psu...score 21 points and you win, psu will struggle to get 17
I don't know what planet you are living on, but Penn State scored 31 in last year's game with a quarterback doing his best impersonation of a turnover machine. Ohio State had one explosive run and needed 354 yards from Stroud, which isn't going to happen for McCord.

Ohio State's offense being dinged up against this defense is not a good situation for them, and all Allar needs to do is continue to make smart decisions and protect the ball. And if the run game gets going the Ohio State defense is toast.
 
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That seems a bit high, especially given the Buckeye injuries yesterday. What say you?

The line is trending slightly down. At some books, you can now get it at PSU+4.

I wish I could feel confident about this game. The history of recent years against the Bucks, snatching 4th-quarter defeat from the jaws of victory, makes that difficult. At some point you start to feel jinxed.

I get it that a lot of our fans feel this is finally the year to break through. Ohio State appears to have issues on O while our D has been dominating.

On the flip side, however, our running game has still not ignited, the O has shown little big-play capability, and our QB, though very talented, is still a 1st-year starter walking into a hugely difficult environment and facing by far the toughest test of his short college career against a top-5 D.

At home, I would like our chances. In Columbus, I have a hard time seeing us win this game. And if we do lose, there will be an outpouring of negativity toward Franklin.

That's unfortunate because Franklin is one of the best college coaches in the country, and even with a loss to Ohio State, his team will still have everything on the table this year...and be looking at the potential for a special future.
 
The line is trending slightly down. At some books, you can now get it at PSU+4.

I wish I could feel confident about this game. The history of recent years against the Bucks, snatching 4th-quarter defeat from the jaws of victory, makes that difficult. At some point you start to feel jinxed.

I get it that a lot of our fans feel this is finally the year to break through. Ohio State appears to have issues on O while our D has been dominating.

On the flip side, however, our running game has still not ignited, the O has shown little big-play capability, and our QB, though very talented, is still a 1st-year starter walking into a hugely difficult environment and facing by far the toughest test of his short college career against a top-5 D.

At home, I would like our chances. In Columbus, I have a hard time seeing us win this game. And if we do lose, there will be an outpouring of negativity toward Franklin.

That's unfortunate because Franklin is one of the best college coaches in the country, and even with a loss to Ohio State, his team will still have everything on the table this year...and be looking at the potential for a special future.
If Franklin loses to Michigan AND Ohio State there's going to be valid complaints and concerns about his ability to get us to that level. I won't want him fired or anything crazy but, like with Day and Ohio State, he has to start winning those games or there will be a time when it's time to find someone that can. Hopefully he wins and we start seeing that "special future" sooner than later.
 
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The line is trending slightly down. At some books, you can now get it at PSU+4.

I wish I could feel confident about this game. The history of recent years against the Bucks, snatching 4th-quarter defeat from the jaws of victory, makes that difficult. At some point you start to feel jinxed.

I get it that a lot of our fans feel this is finally the year to break through. Ohio State appears to have issues on O while our D has been dominating.

On the flip side, however, our running game has still not ignited, the O has shown little big-play capability, and our QB, though very talented, is still a 1st-year starter walking into a hugely difficult environment and facing by far the toughest test of his short college career against a top-5 D.

At home, I would like our chances. In Columbus, I have a hard time seeing us win this game. And if we do lose, there will be an outpouring of negativity toward Franklin.

That's unfortunate because Franklin is one of the best college coaches in the country, and even with a loss to Ohio State, his team will still have everything on the table this year...and be looking at the potential for a special future.
Penn state has a great shot in this game. The team is balanced on both sides of the ball and this isn’t Ohio state of past. Will be very disappointed to not win this game.
 
There are 3 games. It would not surprise me if the home team won all 3. That's not what we want as Penn State fans as we all have more faith against osu than mich...BUT fans don't see everything straight.

I'm calling for a close win but a loss is not the end of the world. Beaver Stadium is an animal that has been far more of a nightmare for Michigan than Ohio State and our young qb plays better at home.

Joel Klatt at the beginning of the season called for each team to go 1-1 with the home team winning all 3 times. This is the opinion I agree with. Klatt had Ohio State winning the tiebreaker because of the 3 opponents they have being the best. Right now that's not necessarily how it's looking due to the bottom falling out in Minnesota on P.J. Fleck.

I placed that tiebreaker thread on Klatts premise as I tend to agree with him. Keep an eye on Northwestern and Illinois because if they both keep improving then Penn State will ride them all the way to indy. I have 100 percent belief that this will be the actual scenario that Plays out.
a nightmare for Michigan when you had the advantage of your evening white out gimmick, and the year you had a generational RB..you have neither this year, and Michigan has done quite well at beaver stadium in noon games..
 
Penn State isn't into football beauty contests. Teams have played us to take away the explosive plays while stopping the run. They play their safeties close to the LOS and tell their CBs to not get beat deep. That leaves a grind-it-out ground game and intermediate passes. And that is what we've done. We haven't played anyone the caliber of the two-loss ND team, the one that outplayed tOSU, but we've won them all handily. Our starters are fresh and, for the first time, have our #2 WR.
not about a beauty contest, it's about forcing the osu defense to play honest, direct impact on how psu's offense will operate.
 
😆 🤣 😂 look at you kissing Ohio State a$$...Michigan "man" 😆 🤣 😂
just being honest, henderson and williams have been the better RB's, but can't stay healthy..sorry you don't want honest opinions, but i figured you'd get enough pablum from the regulars here..
 
I don't know what planet you are living on, but Penn State scored 31 in last year's game with a quarterback doing his best impersonation of a turnover machine. Ohio State had one explosive run and needed 354 yards from Stroud, which isn't going to happen for McCord.

Ohio State's offense being dinged up against this defense is not a good situation for them, and all Allar needs to do is continue to make smart decisions and protect the ball. And if the run game gets going the Ohio State defense is toast.
last year was in the cozy confines of beaver stadium, every team plays at a lower level on the road, sorry you don't like facts..and your run game will struggle, because your offensive line is average at best..
 
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I don't know what planet you are living on, but Penn State scored 31 in last year's game with a quarterback doing his best impersonation of a turnover machine. Ohio State had one explosive run and needed 354 yards from Stroud, which isn't going to happen for McCord.

Ohio State's offense being dinged up against this defense is not a good situation for them, and all Allar needs to do is continue to make smart decisions and protect the ball. And if the run game gets going the Ohio State defense is toast.
Last year has nothing to do with this yr. Both teams have much different personnel, especially where it matters at QB. Would u say our offense isn't in a good situation with OSUs defense, which is very good. Both teams appear to be works in progress offensively, but boasting really good defenses.
 
a nightmare for Michigan when you had the advantage of your evening white out gimmick, and the year you had a generational RB..you have neither this year, and Michigan has done quite well at beaver stadium in noon games..
You mean like when it took a fluke miracle pass to a tight end in 2021 for a College football playoff team and Big Ten champion that routed Ohio State...to beat a 7-6 Penn State team with a hobbled quarterback with broken ribs 21-17? At noon? Or was it that 2015 team that needed a second half comeback to beat a sanctioned broken down psu....

I can't wait to see you in November when we punch you straight in the mouth and JJ shows his true TCU/sparty 21 colors and chokes when under seige.
 
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not about a beauty contest, it's about forcing the osu defense to play honest, direct impact on how psu's offense will operate.
OK, I don't think it has been PSU's intention to show you everything about how PSU's offense operates. You may want to keep that in mind.
 
last year was in the cozy confines of beaver stadium, every team plays at a lower level on the road, sorry you don't like facts..and your run game will struggle, because your offensive line is average at best..
I think somebody in Maize and blue is VERY worried about PSU this year even more than he's worried about 11 warriors 😆
 
You mean like when it took a fluke miracle pass to a tight end in 2021 for a College football playoff team and Big Ten champion that routed Ohio State...to beat a 7-6 Penn State team with a hobbled quarterback with broken ribs 21-17? At noon? Or was it that 2015 team that needed a second half comeback to beat a sanctioned broken down psu....

I can't wait to see you in November when we punch you straight in the mouth and JJ shows his true TCU/sparty 21 colors and chokes when under seige.
generally speaking, osu fans are the worst, but at least they have reason to crow, they have accomplished a lot..i hear the same from you guys every year, psu needs to do something before they get the benefit of the doubt...osu will win saturday, and if the offense can't make splash plays, it's a 2 score game...and since you brought it up, Michigan is a bad matchup for psu, your pass rush and secondary won't help cover for your soft interior defense..
 
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OK, I don't think it has been PSU's intention to show you everything about how PSU's offense operates. You may want to keep that in mind.
even Michigan fans fall for this.............no coach is "keeping it vanilla" 6 games into the season...you are what you are at this point
 
I think somebody in Maize and blue is VERY worried about PSU this year even more than he's worried about 11 warriors 😆
lol, ok guy....i'm looking for all the smoke, psu and osu will both be exposed by UM, but we can wait until november to chat if you like..you guys should be recovered by then from the incoming board meltdown
 
yes, but your most productive RB's will be healthy, chip and hayden...and yes, while not as good as last year, it's plenty good enough to beat psu...score 21 points and you win, psu will struggle to get 17
The PSU that has scored 30+ in 17 of its last 19 games? If OSU is held to 21 or less, I like our chances a lot.
 
even Michigan fans fall for this.............no coach is "keeping it vanilla" 6 games into the season...you are what you are at this point
Last year....tOSU won 44 31 but PSU was in the lead, late in the game 30 to 24

CJ had 354 yards passing. He won't be there.
Sean Clifford had 3 INTs, one for a pick-six. He won't be there.

TreVeyon Henderson had 78 yards rushing. He's only had 44 rushing attempts this year. He may not play.
Kaytron Allen had 76.

Marvin Harrison had 185 yards receiving. Great player.
Parker Washington had 179. He won't be there.

tOSU had 452 total yards
PSU had 482 total yards.

tOSU had 98 rushing yards.
PSU had 111

tOSU had 354 passing yards
PSU had 482

The difference was that PSU had four turnovers.

I think PSU is a better team. I don't think tOSU is. Will PSU win? That is why we play the games. But if I am tOSU, I am not 100% confident.
 
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lol, ok guy....i'm looking for all the smoke, psu and osu will both be exposed by UM, but we can wait until november to chat if you like..you guys should be recovered by then from the incoming board meltdown
Pardon some of the fanboys on here who embarrass the rest of us with their arrogance....and undeserved considering our woes vs Osu, mich, etc. A select few on here actually have perspective and balance.
 
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Pardon some of the fanboys on here who embarrass the rest of us with their arrogance....and undeserved considering our woes vs Osu, mich, etc. A select few on here actually have perspective and balance.
Yeah kiss that wolverine a$$ dude...good job
 
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I already bet PSU on the Money Line (+$155).

The biggest reason why Ohio St can't run the ball this year is because McCord is not a significant threat to run the ball in their Read Option offense like their previous QB's have been. With minimal QB running threat, defenses are able to focus primarily on the OSU RB's and keep them in-check.
The same is true of PSU. I have no idea about this game. Allar is a rookie playing in a big road game. We can talk about the trenches which are important, but his play is everything.
 
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The PSU that has scored 30+ in 17 of its last 19 games? If OSU is held to 21 or less, I like our chances a lot.
not sure why you included games from last year, unless you didn't wanna look foolish about crowing about this year's schedule, lol...and wasn't that with cliff, the guy that keeps getting bashed on here?..he wasn't great, but he had mobility and escapabilty, two things that allar lacks...and oh yeah, this year's game is in cbus, that's a huge factor..
 
Last year....tOSU won 44 31 but PSU was in the lead, late in the game 30 to 24

CJ had 354 yards passing. He won't be there.
Sean Clifford had 3 INTs, one for a pick-six. He won't be there.

TreVeyon Henderson had 78 yards rushing. He's only had 44 rushing attempts this year. He may not play.
Kaytron Allen had 76.

Marvin Harrison had 185 yards receiving. Great player.
Parker Washington had 179. He won't be there.

tOSU had 452 total yards
PSU had 482 total yards.

tOSU had 98 rushing yards.
PSU had 111

tOSU had 354 passing yards
PSU had 482

The difference was that PSU had four turnovers.

I think PSU is a better team. I don't think tOSU is. Will PSU win? That is why we play the games. But if I am tOSU, I am not 100% confident.
i agree, psu blew that game, couldn't believe psu gagged so hard...psu may be "the better team", however you may define that..it's still on the road, a huge factor with a newbie qb...
 
Pardon some of the fanboys on here who embarrass the rest of us with their arrogance....and undeserved considering our woes vs Osu, mich, etc. A select few on here actually have perspective and balance.
nothing wrong with homerism, but gotta be willing to look at objective facts...as much of a homer as i am, i had to see UM beat osu in cbus to buy into it...psu could be "the better team", and still lose because it hard to beat a very good team playing at home...
 
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all these stats are nice, but you may want to examine Allar's stats on the road...psu's defense will keep it close for a half, but unless the offense has an A plus game, you're going to take the "L"..
Not even close to what's going to happen. We will win by 10.
 
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