Flow is out with there first D1 rankings for next year. Lee should be ahead of Eierman, Brooks should be several spots higher!! ,and Kerk at # 14 are you kidding me
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.Flow New D1 Ranking for next year
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Hope the boys can meet the lofty expectation of tying for 5th at nationals.
TL;DR version: We don't know if there will be a season, what schools will participate, or who will be at what weights. Let's rank them anyway!
I see Rutgers and Stanford as the only potencial top 25 teams that may not participate. Rutgers because of there proximity to NYC epicenter and Stanford because the leaders in California are idiots!!
Don’t underestimate the leaders in New Jersey. They are idiots too.
It's often a mistake to get political on a wrestling forum. I'm reading that California has had the most effective response of any state to Covid-19. California has 12% of the population but only 5% of the coronavirus cases.and three an a half percent of the deaths.Does that make their leaders idiots?
San Fransisco had the fastest and most effective response to the virus - and they've had just over 2,000 infected and 36 dead. They got the data and responded immediately, weeks before NYC, who had the same data at the same time. And months before most of the rest of the nation.
There is a divide in the country between those who want to contain the virus and those who want to reopen businesses. I'm in favor of saving lives, selfishly especially my own.
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The goalposts have been moved to an unreasonable standard. We have gone from "flattening the curve to make sure our hospitals are not overwhelmed" to "we have to shut everything down until we have a cure or vaccine".
I have 2 at risk people in my household -- one with MS and one that has cancer and has gone into remission but she is still getting radiation treatments every so often to keep her that way. Even they understand we cannot stay locked down for very long before the economy is more than temporarily harmed. Our household will take the necessary precautions, but we all are ready to loosen up the restrictions and get back to living, especially in those areas not seriously impacted by Covid-19.
We can open parts of the country up and still reasonably contain the virus. But, we can neither stop it completely, nor can we keep the country shut down long enough to wait for a vaccine.
The divide is between those who believe these are mutually exclusive, and those who don't.
The divide is between those who face health risk with no financial risk, and those who face both and in particular face having their life savings wiped out.
The divide is between those whose health risk is only for the virus, and those with unrelated health issues being exacerbated because their issues have been deemed "elective" despite unused hospital capacity.
The divide is between those who those who have been declared "essential" not by law but by edict, and those who by edict not law are disallowed from operating under the same safety guidelines.
The divide is between those who trust their elected and unelected officials with little or no question; and those who think rules are being applied unilaterally, arbitrarily, capriciously, and in many cases unconstitutionally. (And in more than a few cases, spitefully.)
The divide is between those who trust their elected and unelected officials more than they trust their fellow citizens, and those whose trust lies in the other direction.
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I think the implication that people who are hesitant to ease restrictions feel that way simply because they trust politicians with no question is just as disingenuous as the implication that people who are are eager to ease restrictions feel that way simply because they don't give a s**t if people get sick.
I don't think the divide is as stark and distinct as you (or oldcougar) portray.
I don't think the divide is as stark and distinct as you (or oldcougar) portray.
We have different sets of family and friends.
I know very well someone who works at a prominent institution and is influential in government, health care, and academics. His direct boss is a former presidential advisor.
He wrote a published newspaper article saying that protesters should forfeit treatment if they get sick.
This is not an endorsement of First Amendment rights to publicly question officials
Not a single person I know has even asked him questions about his opinion, let alone challenged him on it -- including a partner at a major international consulting firm. Everybody has agreed with it unthinkingly.
I never said all people who take a stance unthinkingly trust government. I said it's a factor for some people.
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Message board debates on Covid won't change anyone minds. They only serve to ruin threads that some people would like to read for momentary escapes from the current situation. Can all Covid disicussioms be moved to its own thread? That way, if people just want to read wrestling opinions, they can.
I'll bet they know how to spell, though.
wasn't it noted that the virus 'went through' Cali before folks started counting (pre-Feb)? Numbers...
Back to FloRankings. Where do they have our guys
what was noted is when California found cases that pre-dated the 'official' start of the covid-19 virus, they added those numbers to their statistics. You apparently implied that those numbers weren't counted. And I'm not an 'all or nothing' guy as someone else referred to me. I'm all in favor of an intelligent, data-based reopening of certain businesses. But I'm going to be wearing a mask when I go to them and will practice social distancing. I know that many others will not be wearing masks or distancing. Why won't they? I think it's the "I'm an American and my opinion is as good as anyone's" syndrome--- including doctors and scientists who actually understand the pandemic.
Let's talk wrestling.
WTF
Have you ever tried opening a thread at the last few posts, then try guessing the title?
Man!!! This one wins the prize for veering off topic.
Anyone care to fill me in on where our guys are ranked? Asking for a friend.
Have you ever tried opening a thread at the last few posts, then try guessing the title?
Man!!! This one wins the prize for veering off topic.
Anyone care to fill me in on where our guys are ranked? Asking for a friend.
125 - Unranked (#1 - Spencer)
133 - #4 RBY (#1 - Rivera, #2 - Fix, #3 - Micici... #5DeSanto)
141 - #3 Nick Lee (#1 - Yianni, #2 - Eirman)
149 - #11 Baby Verk (#1 - Sasso)
157 - #17 Berge (#1 - Deakin)
165 - #13 Joe Lee (#1 - Mekhi)
174 - #6 Starocci (#1 - Kemerer)
184 - #6 Brooks (#1 - Max Dean)
197 - #13 Beard (#1 - Noah Adams)
HWT - #14 Big Kerk (#1 - Gable)
Teams (Projected Points):
#1 - Iowa (116)
#2 - Cornell (72.5)
#3 - Michigan (65)
#4 - Northwestern (53)
#5 - Penn State (51)
P4P:
#1 - Spencer
#12 - Nick Lee
#20 - RBY
It only took a pandemic and the cancellation of the NCAA tournament for RBY to finally be ranked ahead of DeSanto.
I'll venture a guess that all 10 wind up the season, presuming the season is wrestled, ranked higher than those rankings.
Almost willingly, comically obtuse - or trolling 100x more subtle than Jammenz ever thought possible
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Aaron Brooks is going to be to Max Dean as Ed was to Lewnes. Dean can at least scramble, but Brooks can shut that down.
They’ll see
RBY at #4 seems about right ranking-wise. Lee should be ahead of Eierman whom he beat handily in freestyle. Verk at #11 sounds about right. A healthy Berge is far better than #17 (and is arguably top 8). Starocci will move up and is a big talent. Brooks is easily top 4. Beard will make big jumps as well along with Kerk. Penn State isn't going to finish in an also-ran 5th place if there is a full season. But, maybe it is good for once (in a while) to be in an underdog role. Lower expectations and incentives to take down some howling dogs.
All look fine for a pre-season ranking, imo. Maybe one or two spots here and there, but nothing earth-shaking. Won't resemble final season rankings, I'm 100% sure of that, and right now it's about having a season.
Only 1 cheap freestyle point for AB - rest solid TDs and scrambling
Who are the 5 guys ranked ahead of Brooks? 6th seems nuts to me for a guy who finished last season 3rd, and was clearly as hot and improved as any guy in the country. I get some guys redshirted, but none are returning champs. Dean was a finalist, but also lost to Brooks in freestyle. The other 9 PSU rankings seem fine for right now. I’d just love to hear a rational argument for Brooks 6th. Even if you add Dean in front of him, what other 2 jump him? Click bait I guess.
I’d venture to guess a poll of impartial non PSU fans would consider Brooks a borderline top 10 P4P guy this year. The kid is a world class talent. Ok rant over.
I’d venture to guess a poll of impartial non PSU fans would consider Brooks a borderline top 10 P4P guy this year. The kid is a world class talent. Ok rant over.
Their governor also said two months ago that the whole state would have it in a month lol. They've thrown more shit at a wall than possible.
Better indeed. Aaron also beat Sammy Brooks in this same tournament 15-9 (lost to him later, I know, I know). Aaron was in the Semi's with guys named Zahid, Myles & Alex. Pretty dang good for a freshman at Sr. Nats. Beautiful takedowns and he must be as strong as Molinaro and/or Cassar. One tough dude.
Well, it goes like this ...
1. Dean
2. Bolen
3. Hidlay
4. Deprez (Binghamton)
5. Bonaccorsi (Pitt)
6. Brooks
then four staight guys that AB beat last year. I only hope we get to see action this year. AB is just one of the many exciting kids on the team this year.
FLO sticks stubbornly to some of their own rules like not ranking freshmen who haven't wrestled an NCAA match, and discounting Freestyle results. But, how can you ignore the fact at Sr. Nats Nick Lee beat Lizak (10-0), Eierman (10-6), Lazor (10-0), and Molinaro (10-0). I think he you have to put him ahead of Eierman. FLO would say, oh but that was freestyle. Yes it was, but it was freestyle with a spot at the Oly Trials as the prize. That was pretty big time by Nick Lee.
Seeing Northwestern above PSU gave me a hearty chuckle.
Agreed with all of the above.
Flo praises freestyle results from others and even argues that should count when they want someone they think should be ranked higher.
Askren and Pyles had a very confusing tete a tete recently where each of them was using freestyle or folkstyle results interchangeably depending on who they predicted would win hypothetical matches. If folkstyle results favored their guy, folkstyle results would be leaned on, if freestyle, then freestyle. They couldn’t keep it straight.
How can the #3,4,5 guys end up last season seeded below Brooks jump him in the rankings? That’s just dumb.
It was, but I don’t have heartburn about the Egg Man over Lee. I try and compare apples to apples (folk to folk) and Eierman handled him in folk though it was 2 years ago.
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