So focused on Cael they aren’t noticing the other teams about to blow by them
that will sink in when the 4th person from HR posts it......
Give me a break. It was started by a troll and will probably end with a troll.
But that Flo piece is more than outweighed by years of Iowa obsession about Cael. There will always be something from your embittered fan base who can’t fathom being top dog. Maybe it gets better now that you’re finally prizing open your wallets and attracting more than the Dardanes brothers to the HWC.
By a HR poster on this board. Seriously the season is about to start, we need to talk about winning national championships here and you need to go back to the conspiracy board and worry about...well Cael and cheating of course. Any one that has been on this board for any amount of time has seen the time period of excuses from the HR. First it was laughed at on your board when PSU hired him and he said he would win championships. Then it was the double classes. Next was Ruth and Taylor and that would never happen again. Now its the wrestlers like Nolf and Zain etc are so good they don't need coaching. Where we arrive here that PSU is cheating.
So at this point I'm thinking FRL is just a bunch of bullshit since it's only "banter between 2 dudes" spewing bullshit without citing facts to back up their chatter. It's just their thoughts and they're putting it out there for Click bait, which FLO is renowned for. FLO = TMZ. FRL and FLO loves to drum up drama. Which is maybe why Willie is a self admitted non-journalist. It's just entertainment. And it's fake news.
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I think your misunderstanding. I'm saying excessive pay isn't coming from high schools paying college athletes. It's coming from university camps. If it is occurring.
You guys really struggle with simple logic and reading comprehension huh?
So Penn State is paying Penn State student-athletes exorbitant amounts of dollars. In cash I presume, with the knowledge of the Athletic Department, the Budget Office and (since 85% of camp profits subsidize PSU Continuing Ed programs) the Continuing Education's knowledge and blessing.
Or do you mean other universities are paying Penn State student-athletes an exorbitant amount of money to work their camps?
Legitimate question. Really not sure which model you are alluding too.
If you cared to look at more than the total expense figure on the public document, did a quick google search that brought up the many camps involved, did a minimum amount of guesswork that anyone associated with running a camp could help you with on outlays for facility fees, housing and meals in certain cases for an awful lot of campers, insurance, other outlays like t-shirts, advertising, etc. you would find that the maximum amount of money that could be squeezed out to fulfill your dream of NLWC camp counselors paying off their student loans is really a dream - a pipe dream. But of course you are probably too busy crafting new letters to compliance offices. BTW, did you actually expect ANY compliance office to respond to that, no matter what the "stated purpose" is. Tell the truth, you put that you are a huge Hawkeye fan in your letter to the Iowa compliance office - hence the polite, generic reply. Or else people in Iowa are just a lot nicer than a lot of places - which could be true, actually I would bet on it in general (excluding some on the HR).
Or you might be the poster on the HR that retorted that PSU was probably hiding things on their financial documents to the IRS when I posted the same in the original thread when you first brought this up on the HR - can't remember, it might have been you, probably not. Yes, given the risk/reward there, that sounds reeeeeeeaaaaaalllllly plausible. I know what's next - Sandusky.
And Mr Lee left Carnegie Mellon University for some tractor repair tech school that's three Greyhound stops away from Iowa City.
Has to be tens of thousands of bribery dollars involved.
This game is F** !!
You strained a hamstring in your sprint over to our board to kick off this thread.
How many there boards have you made the same opening post ?
I personally think that if you don't accept all schools take advantage of grey areas in recruiting you're foolish.
I posted a comment last week that I had details about a transfer and how it played out. I got ripped for it and the post got deleted. If anything it reflected poorly on the school that the wrestler transfered to.
I just don't understand why it would be so difficult to think that a kid might be willing to go to PSU on smaller scholarship realizing that he might have some opportunities to benefit by being associated with the Premiere Wrestling program in the country.
It's kind of a form of Capitalism.
Some recruits who have no intentions of being involved in wrestling after 4 years, might look to an Ivy league school for connections to a law firm or medical field. Is that any different than a wrestler wanting to make wrestling his career choice and wanting to be affiliated with Carl Sanderson.
I posted a comment last week that I had details about a transfer and how it played out. I got ripped for it and the post got deleted. If anything it reflected poorly on the school that the wrestler transfered to.
I just don't understand why it would be so difficult to think that a kid might be willing to go to PSU on smaller scholarship realizing that he might have some opportunities to benefit by being associated with the Premiere Wrestling program in the country.
It's kind of a form of Capitalism.
Some recruits who have no intentions of being involved in wrestling after 4 years, might look to an Ivy league school for connections to a law firm or medical field. Is that any different than a wrestler wanting to make wrestling his career choice and wanting to be affiliated with Carl Sanderson.
Which was based on your coaches making excuses for getting beat in recruiting. Does anyone really think there is anything more to this then a few whiney coaches sulking to CP? This is all about the clicks with no real substance. CP and Willie have no more credibility on this subject then the mindless rabble on HawkReport, a place where a psychology doctorate candidate could find enough material to do their thesis on defense mechanisms utilized by the weak minded.
Vodka, I can't believe you think it's rational to contact schools like you did. The lack of self awareness is amazing and a bit scary. You're just some disgruntled fan trying to rationalize why your precious Hawks are winning anymore, nothing more.
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FIFY.
If what you say is true, then at least part of it comes from you struggling with writing comprehension.
I don't care what their mission statements say, if I was a NCAA school I would not waste my time responding to questions from random people regarding NCAA compliance. I bet each University's legal counsel would have the same position.
The fact that they did not provide you a response means nothing. Did Iowa give you a response with any substance to it? What is your relationship with Iowa? Random fan or possible booster?
Last I checked, Iowa's roster isn't exactly lacking talent.
Better question for you, who does Cornell attract elite recruits when they cannot even offer athletic scholarships? That can be your next project.
I have a friend who is paying between $8k and $10k a year of club sports (soccer and lacrosse) for their daughter. That includes private coaching, travel for tournaments etc. This started when she was in 5th grade, time she graduates from high school you are looking at $80k to $100K total.
I can see why parents would take less from PSU to chase their son's dreams, in many cases their dreams. What price do you put on an Olympic team spot or medal possibly gold? Answer is you will spend a lot of money to chase that dream.
Take Mark Hall, his family has relocated several times to benefit his wrestling career. They have gone all over the country for years for wrestling, they have travelled around the world to watch him compete. If they believed that PSU was the best place for him to chase his dreams, money is not going to be an issue for them. Same can be said for any number of wrestlers on the team.
Maybe Vodka should look into Larry Lee's employment arrangement, anything funny happen there? I don't think so, but certainly it is fair game.
I tried to.point it out to him a few times earlier in this thread about contacting major institutions and expecting anything more than a form letter. If Someone had actually responded to his request with more than a form letter they should have been fired . They have actual work to do not deal with people on witch hunts. I hope for his sake this is all a troll because if not...
I will say this. There are smaller D1 programs that are not fully funded, maybe 3 or 4 scholarship max that use camps to help offset tuition cost. It is the only way they can exist, and they have been doing it for a long time. Some people maybe barking up the wrong tree and we could lose quit a few programs if that outlet doesn't exist.
We do know that Verkleeren walked on at PSU. He had significant financial offers from many Universities. PSU in-state is not exactly cheap either.
You know what, pick any sport in college and coaches will say that cheating is occurring. Bet you can find a lot of scuttlebutt that their is cheating going on in Women's basketball, football, men's basketball. Until Flo is willing to name names and have accusers go on the record, there really isn't anything to go on. In football, people have gone on the record and the NCAA still did noting. Both Sports Illustrated and HBO's Real Sports have had stories of specific schools cheati
If anything it would be the opposite. The University camps are highly regulated with the revenue flowing to the camp going to the University. Payment to the camp clinicians would come from the University. With high school camps, the revenue goes to the coach or the person running the camp, often gets paid in cash, lot looser accounting making it easier to give the clinician a nice bonus if you choose too.
You realize this is a message board, right? You don't get to control where the messages take you. Kind of like HR, where every thread turns into a discussion about Penn State one way or the other.
I have an honest question. Can a high-performing HS student athlete communicate directly with an RTC, asking the question of how much athletes there get funded, and on what criteria they’d be accepted? Or alternatively are there non-RTC “agents” that could advise his family on expectations of the same?
How about a high-performing scholarship college athlete? Can he ask the same question to an RTC? If so, does it depend on whether the RTC has any association with his school? And again, can he ask for such advice through a neutral agent?
How about a high-performing scholarship college athlete? Can he ask the same question to an RTC? If so, does it depend on whether the RTC has any association with his school? And again, can he ask for such advice through a neutral agent?
Whoa buddy. If guys were looking for the smoking gun, it might have evaporated with the loss of Wittlake and RBY. It isn't coincidental that upon the eve of signing day, RBY and Wittlake are decommitting. This is shades of Mejia/Renteria.
Sounds like the offer ($$$) was not commensurate with the value each wrestler placed on themselves. Interesting development after two days of "PSU is cheating" chants.
What kind of weird question is this? He posted exactly 9 hours ago (12 am ET, 9 pm PST) on Instagram that he was changing plans and headed to OSU.
For sure. Wittlake was the clear cut front-runner to man the 184 spot after the graduation of Nickal. That's what makes me think this is a money issue. It certainly wasn't a "I may never start" issue.
So he decided to decommit and then posted his new commitment on instagram almost immediately? Is that how it went?
It's possible that Wittlake flipped yesterday -- maybe Smith called him to up the offer with his most recent displeasure over their 184 situation. However, Wittlake likely didn't announce it until he had a chance to call Cael.
Maybe the actual flip occurred yesterday, but it's very unlikely that it hadn't been in works for a while.
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