Can you please link the emails to which you are referring? I've read a number of articles but haven't seen any actual emails. Thanks!
Gruden is done
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Can you please link the emails to which you are referring? I've read a number of articles but haven't seen any actual emails. Thanks!
Yeah, this isn’t really cancel culture garbage that is thirty years old and some one dig it up. It is recent garbage he wrote to numerous people in the last few years. Really bad stuff.
We had an AG do that and she just recently got out of prison.
He ripped the drafting of Nassib cause he was gay.. Yeah, you know the PSU kid everyone is proud of?
Eff John Gruden.. I hope this ruins him for life. Scumbag
I'm not, you jackass, it had nothing to do with Nassib. Read up before you spout off.
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It was Michael Sam, not Carl (not that it changes anything).
Excellant post Bob, to the POINT,
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This is 100% and my point, Gruden hated having Nassib on the team.. Anyone who doesn't think so, if dumb af
No crap, I am just saying, it's obvious if he is hates gays, he has one, do you think he liked them having Nassib?
Well, what you said was “He ripped the drafting of Nassib cause he was gay.. Yeah, you know the PSU kid everyone is proud of?”. Which isn’t at all what was reported from these emails.
I have no idea if he “hates” gays, or hated having Nassib on his team. I don’t see it as that black and white. But he’ll have plenty of time to think about it since he won’t have a job for a long time (and rightfully so).
Sorry but I don’t take a media narrative for anything now. They shape it as they see fit. I am more than capable of forming an opinion from the actual information that is in original form.
Thanks for the link but I couldn't find any linked emails...From what I can gather the "rubber lips" comment is generating considerable criticism in terms of the racial component of all of this.
Is it possible that Gruden doesn't give a shit about any player's sexual orientation in terms of whom a team should draft? To me it seems that Gruden felt a team was being pressured into drafting a player higher than what he otherwise would have been drafted simply because the player was gay.
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So you post a completely inaccurate statement and your response when corrected is "no crap".
I'd suggest you "read" up.
>>and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.<<
You're welcome.
I’m somewhat stunned that some are willing to criticize the “resignation”, and feel like he was still the right guy to lead his team forward in the face of all of this as long as he apologized…he just alienated a large chunk of a fan base and locker room. What sponsors are going to stick by an organization that keeps him around as this stuff comes out?
Sorry, but simply saying he “abhors bigotry” or has “disavowed” his years worth of inappropriate emails doesn’t work as his get out of jail free card in this instance.
Sorry, but simply saying he “abhors bigotry” or has “disavowed” his years worth of inappropriate emails doesn’t work as his get out of jail free card in this instance.
I think Grudog got what he deserved, I always thought he was a pompous ass and now it shows he is way worse but to say people and organizations aren't seeking out these things from peoples past for political and others reasons simply isn't true - it happens all the time. Companies do it every time they hire someone so hopefully no one has any skeletons in their closet. I am glad we didn't have this technology growing up because what was said back then would not look good through today's lens even if the intend was benign or uninformed.
I have a problem with what he said about Smith. I guess he could just be pointing out an appearance trait like saying I have big ears(I do), but there is a long history of racial characterizations that you just can't discuss. I have way less of a problem with memes about women referees and while I think the term "fa**ot" is insensitive, 10 years ago, I am not sure it carried the same meaning. I will admit I have used the term in place of "lame" or a "wussy" in years past. It took some learning to understand that it is inappropriate. The point is, outside of Gruden's depictions of Smith, the rest of this seems to be a "fill in the gap" exploits by the media to take down someone that is threatening to the "narrative' of unbridled acceptance. I am all for racists losing their jobs, but outside of this comment about Smith, can we confirm Gruden is a racist? Does calling someone a "fa**ot" 10 years ago guarantee they are a bigot?(kobe got in some trouble for this back in his playing days, he didn't lose his job). Are we as a society comfortable labeling people based on personal email communication years ago and firing them? I'm not going to blame this on cancel culture, Gruden wrote some inflammatory stuff, stuff that gets you fired, but I think it would be wise not to pile on here and label him a racist and homophobe. How many of us would pass the current social test to have all of our personal communications examined over say 10 years?
I'd not bet on the first part of that.
Over 7 years. If any of us wrote emails like that from our work computers we would get fired.
Two things:
1) The emails being referenced are the only ones thus far that have been made public. There may be more emails with much worse content that haven't been made public yet. I could see JG saying "I'll resign right now if you don't make any other emails public."
2) Emails are not "personal communications" as this situation clearly demonstrates.
He criticized the drafting of Michael Sam. He hurt the equal rights of women with his opinions. This is all a really bad pattern over many years. Not a good guy. And a really stupid guy.
And he doesn’t know how to write a meaningful exit statement either.
That's the strange thing. Any anonymous Joe Schmo would find himself out on the street and very few people would care. But let it happen to an NFL coach (or any other high profile figure in professional sports), there will be legions of people saying it's not fair. It's the weird devotion many people seem to have to professional sports. Regardless, I don't feel sorry for Gruden if his future job prospects are bleak. He should have a sizable nest egg to sustain himself.
Agreed, he deserved to be fired for his stupidity alone.
He will rehab with a couple of years under Saban and be back again.
All Gruden needed to say at the end of most of those statements was “Not that there is anything wrong with that”. That’s how most of the holier than thou guys on this Board criticizing him get away with it.
Which again begs the question, what about the people he emailed? ESPN employed him during that time frame.
He criticized what he saw as a "forced" drafting of Michael Sam by the Commissioner of a league hoping to profit on social justice. He did not say "no gay players should be allowed in our league" I think there is a significant difference in those two ideals that is intentionally being avoided. I am also not sure sending a meme about women referees is "hurting equal rights of women." There is no evidence that his sharing this meme to Bruce Allen did in fact hurt equal rights of women in the league. Last I checked, there were women refereeing games last week.
