Hearing Nick S. is making good Progress.That is a great sign for him and PSU. Others better look

[21Guns]

Why all the anger, bro? Isn't an air cast and crutches also NORMAL, ROUTINE (your emphasis) treatment for a moderate or severe sprain as well? We just don't what Suriano's physical condition will be at B1Gs, right? Not sure why that sets you off so much.

LOL regarding the final comment in your post.

Not according to me. According to the doctor who posted it, on this board, on another thread.

 

[Gray52]

Im not a doctor, nor do i play one on TV... but my opinion is that the best case scenerio for Nick is showing up for B1G's and forfeiting out... then being good enough to give St Louis a go. However, my guess is that it's (much) more serious than a "mild sprain." I'm preparing to not see him in Indiana, and if he wrestles, its all bonus.

 

[21Guns]

Im not a doctor, nor do i play one on TV... but my opinion is that the best case scenerio for Nick is showing up for B1G's and forfeiting out... then being good enough to give St Louis a go. However, my guess is that it's (much) more serious than a "mild sprain." I'm preparing to not see him in Indiana, and if he wrestles, its all bonus.

Can't forfeit out. Schlatter rule.

 

[Gray52]

Can't forfeit out. Schlatter rule.

I meant showing up, walking onto the mat, then DQ.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I meant showing up, walking onto the mat, then DQ.

DQ? Do you mean take the mat and immediately Injury Default? Not sure you are allowed to do that either.

 

[21Guns]

Gotta wrestle the match. Can't walk out and then default after a minute. Why are these people assuming he can't go. We've heard from Cael that he'll be there. Cael does not mean he'll be there in street clothes. If Cael meant that, he'd say that.

 

[Real-Lion]

Gotta wrestle the match. Can't walk out and then default after a minute. Why are these people assuming he can't go. We've heard from Cael that he'll be there. Cael does not mean he'll be there in street clothes. If Cael meant that, he'd say that.

I agree 21....

 

[21Guns]

I agree 21....

These people claiming Cael uses "Coach speak" are comical: In the 7 years he's been here, I haven't heard him use it one time. Not once.

 

[Real-Lion]

These people claiming Cael uses "Coach speak" are comical: In the 7 years he's been here, I haven't heard him use it one time. Not once.

No he says it like it is all the time...Just straight up with everything in life too....

 

[21Guns]

No he says it like it is all the time...Just straight up with everything in life too....

Agree. 100%.

 

[LemonPie]

These people claiming Cael uses "Coach speak" are comical: In the 7 years he's been here, I haven't heard him use it one time. Not once.

Then you don't know what coachspeak is

 

[lobo lion]

Im not a doctor, nor do i play one on TV... but my opinion is that the best case scenerio for Nick is showing up for B1G's and forfeiting out... then being good enough to give St Louis a go. However, my guess is that it's (much) more serious than a "mild sprain." I'm preparing to not see him in Indiana, and if he wrestles, its all bonus.

What is the basis for your guess?

 

[Gray52]

What is the basis for your guess?

He couldnt put any weight on his foot at all. I would think that its a severe sprain at best... especially since he's heard saying that it was broken. But like i said previously, im not a doctor.

 

[slicone]

No he says it like it is all the time...Just straight up with everything in life too....

LOL and cortez could go this week if we needed him

 

[Real-Lion]

LOL and cortez could go this week if we needed him

Lol...Yea i wish.....But i feel more confident about Nick each day....

 

[RVARZR]

I had thought the issue with Cortez was that when Cael made the statement he was ready to go, that everyone thought he was cleared to wrestle. Then got reinjured.

If that was the case Cael was saying what he and everyone else believed to be the truth with what they knew at that time. Nobody has a crystal ball that tells the future. The best you can do is be honest about what you know.

 

[LemonPie]

I had thought the issue with Cortez was that when Cael made the statement he was ready to go, that everyone thought he was cleared to wrestle. Then got reinjured.

If that was the case Cael was saying what he and everyone else believed to be the truth with what they knew at that time. Nobody has a crystal ball that tells the future. The best you can do is be honest about what you know.

Yeah... and nobody is saying Cael is misleading people. I think that's what 21 guns has coachspeak confused for. Though in some instances, I guess you can interpret that to be the case. But not for Cael.

When Cael came out and said "Cortez could be out a week, could be out a month. Just have to see." THAT'S COACHSPEAK. Saying "something" without really having to say anything.

Cael's interview immediately after the dual was not coachspeak, imo. But it was not coming from a place of knowledge. It was an hour after the injury. It was just positive vibes. Which is kind of his job too. We can't hold him to that. His interview Wednesday was much more telling of the situation. Gonna be a battle for Nick.

 

[21Guns]

Yeah... and nobody is saying Cael is misleading people. I think that's what 21 guns has coachspeak confused for. Though in some instances, I guess you can interpret that to be the case. But not for Cael.

When Cael came out and said "Cortez could be out a week, could be out a month. Just have to see." THAT'S COACHSPEAK. Saying "something" without really having to say anything.

Cael's interview immediately after the dual was not coachspeak, imo. But it was not coming from a place of knowledge. It was an hour after the injury. It was just positive vibes. Which is kind of his job too. We can't hold him to that. His interview Wednesday was much more telling of the situation. Gonna be a battle for Nick.

He said Nick would be in Bloomington on Wednesday. Yes, that is telling. Telling us that Nick is going to be recovered enough to go, and qualify.

If he meant Nick was going to be there in street clothes, then that's what he would have said. He did not.

 

[LemonPie]

I agree that the impression was that Nick will definitely wrestle. But talks of "oh those things heal fast" were far removed. Gonna be an interesting weekend. I hope he wrestles a full match. I think that would be a great sign; where as forfeiting out after one second is a horrible sign (i.e. Schlatter)

 

[JOESTROSSER]

He said Nick would be in Bloomington on Wednesday. Yes, that is telling. Telling us that Nick is going to be recovered enough to go, and qualify.

If he meant Nick was going to be there in street clothes, then that's what he would have said. He did not.

That's a total leap of faith with no basis in fact. Cael most likely meant what he actually said. Nick will be in Bloomington...I seriously hope he can go, but that statement is borderline meaningless with Nick's ability to wrestle in the tournament. These guys seem real close as most teams are so I would if Nick could be there in any capacity he would be.

 

[21Guns]

That's a total leap of faith with no basis in fact. Cael most likely meant what he actually said. Nick will be in Bloomington...I seriously hope he can go, but that statement is borderline meaningless with Nick's ability to wrestle in the tournament. These guys seem real close as most teams are so I would if Nick could be there in any capacity he would be.

No it's not. It's what Cael said. He didn't "most likely" mean it, he meant it.

 

[21Guns]

I agree that the impression was that Nick will definitely wrestle. But talks of "oh those things heal fast" were far removed. Gonna be an interesting weekend. I hope he wrestles a full match. I think that would be a great sign; where as forfeiting out after a second is a horrible sign (i.e. Schlatter)

Forfeiting out of a second match is not a horrible sign, it's playing it safe and making sure Nick gets to St Louis without any setbacks.

 

[lockhavenlion3]

That's a total leap of faith with no basis in fact. Cael most likely meant what he actually said. Nick will be in Bloomington...I seriously hope he can go, but that statement is borderline meaningless with Nick's ability to wrestle in the tournament. These guys seem real close as most teams are so I would if Nick could be there in any capacity he would be.

agree, joe. sure hope i'm wrong, but i don't think he goes. just a feeling.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

agree, joe. sure hope i'm wrong, but i don't think he goes. just a feeling.

Disagree and speaking from experience... If we're going to go by the "looks test", I don't think Nick's "outside rolled ankle" looked that bad on video and his left ankle did not swell that badly afterward (his left bare ankle can be seen in the "Championship Photo" after the match). I rolled my ankle to the outside playing basketball - I literally felt the tibia bone "bottom-out" on ground - when I got to hospital and took my high-top shoe off, my ankle blew-up to the size of a cantaloupe and ultimately went black & blue most of the way up my lower leg. Based on the lack of massive swelling in Nick's ankle after the event, I would predict it was not a severe sprain.

 

[jrd23psu]

Sprains are one of those injuries that are wait and see. I've had plenty myself. I've had sprains so bad that I would have told you that my ankle was definitely broken and a couple of weeks later I was fine. A matter of fact, one time I was convinced I broke my ankle playing basketball. I went for x-rays and nope.

Each time the recovery process was different. I sprained both of my ankles a week apart and a week after the second I was playing soccer with ankle wraps on at about 90%.

It's really a wait and see kind of thing, and we'll find out at B1Gs.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Sprains are one of those injuries that are wait and see. I've had plenty myself. I've had sprains so bad that I would have told you that my ankle was definitely broken and a couple of weeks later I was fine. A matter of fact, one time I was convinced I broke my ankle playing basketball. I went for x-rays and nope.

Each time the recovery process was different. I sprained both of my ankles a week apart and a week after the second I was playing soccer with ankle wraps on at about 90%.

It's really a wait and see kind of thing, and we'll find out at B1Gs.

Don't disagree - especially regarding minor sprains that don't require surgery to recover 100%...it's just "luck of the draw" on these - you can have one that is essentially gone inside a week in terms of lingering pain and effects....or you can have minor sprains that impact an athlete for weeks and even months until they can rest it and rehab it properly (however, even in these cases an athlete can rest it for a week and be able to go but will lose capability the longer they go on it). In any event, a severe sprain requiring surgery to repair is generally accompanied by massive swelling - Nick's sprain in either "appearance" (i.e., how far it rolled to the outside before Nick got his weight off it), OR the amount of visible swelling subsequent to the event as seen in the Championship Photo, would suggest a minor rather than severe sprain (where the definition of a severe sprain is one that requires surgery to fix properly long-term for a 100% recovery in both range of motion and strength).

 

[NittanyLion84]

The good news, from my perspective, having suffered multiple sprained ankles, is Nick did not try to finish the match. In my cases, looking back, I think I ended up doing more damage attempting to play through it. The few rare times I did not continue, recovery was much quicker.

 

[NoVa Lion]

The good news, from my perspective, having suffered multiple sprained ankles, is Nick did not try to finish the match. In my cases, looking back, I think I ended up doing more damage attempting to play through it. The few rare times I did not continue, recovery was much quicker.

Pretty much agrees with my experience too. Rest and ice immediately after the injury leads to a quick recovery, which is what Nick did.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Pretty much agrees with my experience too. Rest and ice immediately after the injury leads to a quick recovery, which is what Nick did.

Anti-inflammatory local shots are light-years better and more sophisticated biologically (in terms of efficacy) these days than when most of us played sports which probably accounts for the lack of visible swelling in the ankle immediately following the event in the Championship Picture. If they injected the ankle immediately with an anti-inflammatory biologic and it was a relatively minor-sprain in terms of internal damage, the recovery time relative to when we were young is way shorter....

 

[Real-Lion]

Anti-inflamatory local shots are lightyears better and more sophisticated biotically (in terms of ephicacy) these days than when most of us played sports which probably accounts for the lack of visible swelling in the ankle immediately following the event in the Championship Picture. If they injected the ankle immediately with an anti-inflamatory biotic and it was a relatively minor-sprain in terms of internal damage, the recovery time relative to when we were young is way shorter....

This is why Nick is ready to go !!!!

 

[VRE]

"Anti-inflamatory local shots are lightyears better and more sophisticated biotically (in terms of ephicacy) these days than when most of us played sports which probably accounts for the lack of visible swelling in the ankle immediately following the event in the Championship Picture. If they injected the ankle immediately with an anti-inflamatory biotic and it was a relatively minor-sprain in terms of internal damage, the recovery time relative to when we were young is way shorter..."

FYI.. biotically should be biologically; ephicacy should be efficacy.

 

[roadking95th]

What are the rules for qualifying for Nationals? I've seen several things thrown around over the years, but it's still a little muddy to me. To whomever is in the know, answer these scenarios. I think i know but....
Is Nick eligible for NCAAs if he:
1. Never weigh ins at Big Tens
2. Weigh ins but forfeits first match
3. Starts the first match, but can not finish it

 

[NoVa Lion]

What are the rules for qualifying for Nationals? I've seen several things thrown around over the years, but it's still a little muddy to me. To whomever is in the know, answer these scenarios. I think i know but....
Is Nick eligible for NCAAs if he:
1. Never weigh ins at Big Tens
2. Weigh ins but forfeits first match
3. Starts the first match, but can not finish it

My understanding is still not clear but I think in 1 & 2 he would not be eligible for NCAAs.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

"Anti-inflamatory local shots are lightyears better and more sophisticated biotically (in terms of ephicacy) these days than when most of us played sports which probably accounts for the lack of visible swelling in the ankle immediately following the event in the Championship Picture. If they injected the ankle immediately with an anti-inflamatory biotic and it was a relatively minor-sprain in terms of internal damage, the recovery time relative to when we were young is way shorter..."

FYI.. biotically should be biologically; ephicacy should be efficacy.

Fixed everything for you.....by the way, I had also misspelled "inflammatory" in anti-inflammatory and "biologic" as well as failed to put a hyphen in "light-years". Again, went back in and fixed them all I believe (I had the "auto spell check" turned off on my computer, but just turned it back on....).

 

[VRE]

Thank you

 

[21Guns]

You CAN start a match, then default, and still be eligible. From what I have heard.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

[RoarLions1]

What are the rules for qualifying for Nationals? I've seen several things thrown around over the years, but it's still a little muddy to me. To whomever is in the know, answer these scenarios. I think i know but....
Is Nick eligible for NCAAs if he:
1. Never weigh ins at Big Tens
2. Weigh ins but forfeits first match
3. Starts the first match, but can not finish it

My understanding is still not clear but I think in 1 & 2 he would not be eligible for NCAAs.

The NCAA didn't do anyone any favors clarifying this rule. All the talk after the Schlatter situation suggested the NCAA closed this "loophole". All I see is they added a comment that a wrestler shall "compete" in their qualifying tournament. With no definition of "compete", we're left to define it ourselves. I'd be confident saying it means a wrestler needs to start at least 1 bout...but not confident saying anything more than that. At the time of the rule change, many thought it meant wrestling at least 1 complete bout...but I can't find any such language anywhere.

 

[mjmirv]

Instead of a forfeit, couldn't a wrestler just let his opponent pin him? Counts as a full match result.

 

[Real-Lion]

Instead of a forfeit, couldn't a wrestler just let his opponent pin him? Counts as a full match result.

Lol....Nick will be doing the pinning....

 

[mjmirv]

My question was more hypothetical, not necessarily Suriano. Just curious if getting pinned checks off all the criteria for being eligible for NCAA selection?