Historical discussions

[El-Jefe]

Pantaleo MFF in 2018.

MFFs did not count as losses then.

And that was an MFF, not an injury default.

Here are the 2018 NCAA brackets. Jason's record was 26-1. The 1 was Van Brill.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://on.ncaa.com/2HhD3Cj&ved=2ahUKEwjdsMeG_YqMAxUOEVkFHdYKIE0QFnoECD0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0_8ebP9jt9wis2yfSconQ6

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Per the Penn State Wrestling Club:

Jason Nolf​

2016-2019
Season Summaries

Season	Class	Record	Falls	TFs	MDs	Conf. Place	NCAA Place
2015-2016​	2nd Year Freshman​	33-2​	15​	11​	5​	2​	2​
2016-2017​	3rd Year Sophomore​	27-0​	14​	8​	3​	1​	1​
2017-2018​	4th Year Junior​	26-1​	16​	3​	2​	6​	1​
2018-2019​	5th Year Senior​	31-0​	15​	5​	6​	1​	1​
Total​		117-3​	60​	27​	16​

 

[donboy6499]

MFFs did not count as losses then.

And that was an MFF, not an injury default.

Here are the 2018 NCAA brackets. Jason's record was 26-1. The 1 was Van Brill.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://on.ncaa.com/2HhD3Cj&ved=2ahUKEwjdsMeG_YqMAxUOEVkFHdYKIE0QFnoECD0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0_8ebP9jt9wis2yfSconQ6

Counting the unattached loss in RS?

 

[El-Jefe]

Counting the unattached loss in RS?

The Green loss didn't count either, but if it had, Taylor lost 2x in his shirt year.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

I was surprised to see 13 L’s on Nick Lee.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Yep. Right after the putz rode Joey McKenna's horse for a couple of years.

I'm still surprised McKenna gave up his opportunity to get his degree from Stanford.

 

[PSUcup1]

I'm still surprised McKenna gave up his opportunity to get his degree from Stanford.

I think he did get his degree from Stanford. Even if he didn’t it doesn’t really matter, his father is loaded. He’s the head guy at Hunter Roberts Construction Goup. I’m sure Joey has a pretty good gig waiting for him when he’s done completing

James McKenna - Hunter Roberts Construction Group

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www.hrcg.com

 

[Cstroke]

Being part of the 2nd best college team ever is more importanter than a Stanford degree.

 

[El-Jefe]

McKenna did get his graduate degree from Penn. Long-term, that decision didn't hurt him.

 

[Conewago]

It's useful to remember that Nolf:

Has four losses, not three like Taylor, but one was due to sloppy officiating that allowed him to be injured.
Has ten more pins than Taylor (60-50)
Has three NC's, not 2.
Was never himself, pinned.

Had he won a 4th NC, there'd be no question he'd have been the best Lion. Similar can be said for Nickal.

In a hypothetical draft of all-timers:

In no order, I'm picking Nolf, Nickal and Boone before Taylor. If Carter gets No. 5, he's the fourth before Taylor.

It would be a toss-up between Taylor and Zain.

Y'all sleeping on David Taylor AND Zain? Cray.

SmDh

For real though, it's an interesting case.

If you go by career bonus rate, this is really your top 5 in the Cael era

1) Taylor (91)
2) Nolf (86)
3) Nickal (77)
4) Ruth (76)
5) Zain (75)

If you go by bonus rate in their last 3 years, because let's remember Zain took an unbelievable leap offensively after his redshirt...

1) Nolf (96)
2 Taylor (94)
3) Zain (87)
4) Ruth (82)
5) Nickal (80....but Bo had the best pinning percentage)


None of these guys had any truly bad losses. For example, probably the worst loss by any was when Ruth lost to Mike Letts but Letts was a multi AA.

Me personally, I'm taking Zain primarily because I think he's what Iowa wishes they were.

 

[creamery freak]

Being part of the 2nd best college team ever is more importanter than a Stanford degree.

He's got a robe that no one can take away from him!

 

[Cstroke]

He's got a robe that no one can take away from him!

I myself have a robe no one will take off of me.