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If Iowa fans are being honest with themselves they will realize that while Lugo is a tough kid, he is also extremely hot and cold. One day he looks like a world beater and the next he's mediocre. Bottom line is to count on him for a lot of points at NCAAs is likely a big mistake.
 
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If Iowa fans are being honest with themselves they will realize that while Lugo is a tough kid, he is also extremely hot and cold. One day he looks like a world beater and the next he's mediocre. Bottom line is to count on him for a lot of points at NCAAs is likely a big mistake.
Iowa fans that pay attention know exactly what Lugo brings to the team. No doubt he struggles with tall drinks of water. Who wouldn't that's 5' 4" wrestling 149?

Very few here thought he would be an AA last year. He proved a lot of people wrong. Hard not to root for the guy
 
Doubling down with Snyder now. You’re on a roll now. Who’s next?

How many do you need. Andrew Howe- Nelson Brands-Cash Wilke-Brent Metcalf-Tony Ramos-Terry Brands-Tom Brands-Thomas Gilman-Pat Lug-Carter Happel-Brady Berge-Royce Alger-Steve Mocco-Brandon Sorenson-the list can go on of guys who use strong position and limited attacks to achieve the goal of winning. It is often referred to as wrestling "in the box" but I doubt you have heard that term.
 
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Lugo is a tough wrestler, but perhaps the very least diverse wrestler in the entire country save the Bull. He would have driven in exactly how he did whether the correct call was made (which it wasn't) or not. He is hardly the type of guy to make sudden strategic adjustments on the fly. Degan is a very weird dude to wrestle and reaches places other wrestlers simply can't reach. His long body wears opponents completely out. I honestly hate watching him most of the time, but it has grown on me.
Lol, any wrestler at the division 1 level knows how to wrestle depending on the situation. Just absolutely ridiclous reasoning. Lugo not having a wide variety of attacks has nothing to with whether he continues to drive in with his hips high to finish or stays patient with his hips low to cover since he already has the points. Two completely different things. Spoken like somebody who never wrestled.
 
If Iowa fans were honest with themselves they would understand something as simple as wrestlers who are position guys vs free spirited diverse wrestlers. Don't expect miracles.
If anything, your argument that Lugo is a "position guy" proves your whole point wrong because he would have played it safe or wrestled "in the box" after getting the points, and thus wouldn't have put himself in a position to get reversed.

What now wrestling genius? Gonna take a bunch of words to say incredibly obvious things over and over again to make an incoherent point?
 
How many do you need. Andrew Howe- Nelson Brands-Cash Wilke-Brent Metcalf-Tony Ramos-Terry Brands-Tom Brands-Thomas Gilman-Pat Lug-Carter Happel-Brady Berge-Royce Alger-Steve Mocco-Brandon Sorenson-the list can go on of guys who use strong position and limited attacks to achieve the goal of winning. It is often referred to as wrestling "in the box" but I doubt you have heard that term.
Half of these guys were prolific point scorers dude. You just described Metcalf, Ramos, Tom, Terry, and Gilman as guys with "limited attacks." All of those guys MASSACRED people at the college level. Hell, even Howe put up a ton of points during his prime when he was healthy. Happel is a career back up, so not sure why you picked him. Also, have you ever watched Nelson Brands against somebody his own size? He set the Iowa High School takedown record despite only being elite for 3 years (was just an average varsity guy as a freshman).
 
Doubling down with Snyder now. You’re on a roll now. Who’s next?

I listened to the Iowa radio broadcast for the match against Iowa State and during his match the Iowa announcers said Brands only has one move. Just passing on what was said, I don’t know enough to have an opinion in this case.
 
Half of these guys were prolific point scorers dude. You just described Metcalf, Ramos, Tom, Terry, and Gilman as guys with "limited attacks." All of those guys MASSACRED people at the college level. Hell, even Howe put up a ton of points during his prime when he was healthy. Happel is a career back up, so not sure why you picked him. Also, have you ever watched Nelson Brands against somebody his own size? He set the Iowa High School takedown record despite only being elite for 3 years (was just an average varsity guy as a freshman).
No dog in this fight, but it is possible to have a "limited attack" -- I think it would be described more accurately as a "limited number of attacks" -- and still score a ton of points. That is, a wrestler with just a few takedowns in his repertoire can still score many points, as long as he's perfected said takedowns.

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I also don't have a dog in the fight (and enjoy watching Marinelli wrestle, sometimes). The truth is the "variety of attacks" guys are pretty rare out there. For most even high-level guys, they're going to get their best success out of doing what they do well over and over again. That's cool--doesn't diminish what they accomplish. Not everyone can be Mark Hall (h/t TR Foley):
 
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No dog in this fight, but it is possible to have a "limited attack" -- I think it would be described more accurately as a "limited number of attacks" -- and still score a ton of points. That is, a wrestler with just a few takedowns in his repertoire can still score many points, as long as he's perfected said takedowns.

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In other words, "limited attacks" can be used to mean "few different types of moves", as opposed to "few takedown attempts". I suspect JPWIII meant the former.
 
Iowa fans that pay attention know exactly what Lugo brings to the team. No doubt he struggles with tall drinks of water. Who wouldn't that's 5' 4" wrestling 149?
The Iowa official roster lists Lugo at 5-5 -- which is the same height as Frank Molinaro.
 
No dog in this fight, but it is possible to have a "limited attack" -- I think it would be described more accurately as a "limited number of attacks" -- and still score a ton of points. That is, a wrestler with just a few takedowns in his repertoire can still score many points, as long as he's perfected said takedowns.

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True that. I recall some guy who pretty much only had the ankle pick in his arsenal. Wonder what ever happened to him? He couldn’t have gone far.
 
No dog in this fight, but it is possible to have a "limited attack" -- I think it would be described more accurately as a "limited number of attacks" -- and still score a ton of points. That is, a wrestler with just a few takedowns in his repertoire can still score many points, as long as he's perfected said takedowns.

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I agree, but none of those guys had a limited number of attacks. Metcalf attacked both sides of the body, great short offense, and had upper body stuff (ask Frank). Ramos attacked both sides of the body, had misdirection to both sides, elite reattacks, nasty whip over, and could scramble. Tom and Terry attacked both sides, were one of the first to hit elbow offs to the far ankle (now Mark's best attack imo), had a go-behind technique named after them, and also used leg passes a decade before they were popular. Gilman attacks to both sides and was elite in front head, good with under hooks to a cross pick as well. Howe is probably the only one that fit your description as he just brutalized people with the same knee pull single over and over again.

It was just a stunning display of ignorance by the original poster. Of all the people he could choose from, he chose some of the most dynamic guys in college history.
 
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I agree, but none of those guys had a limited number of attacks. Metcalf attacked both sides of the body, great short offense, and had upper body stuff (ask Frank). Ramos attacked both sides of the body, had misdirection to both sides, elite reattacks, nasty whip over, and could scramble. Tom and Terry attacked both sides, were one of the first to hit elbow offs to the far ankle (now Mark's best attack imo), had a go-behind technique named after them, and also used leg passes a decade before they were popular. Gilman attacks to both sides and was elite in front head, good with under hooks to a cross pick as well. Howe is probably the only one that fit your description as he just brutalized people with the same knee pull single over and over again.

It was just a stunning display of ignorance by the original poster. Of all the people he could choose from, he chose some of the most dynamic guys in college history.
All wrestlers have a limited number of attack. How could you be so ignorant not to recognize that? Are you really trying to claim any of these guys had unlimited attacks? The point I was making (that most people are not too thick headed to understand) is that these guys you just listed score most of the points they are awarded from a basic box. They attack legs in a conventional fashion and hold position. I should have added DeSanto as you could clearly see what happened when RBY put his hand behind his back. It has never been about how many points a guy scores, but how he scores them. It was also not an insult. I guess you need a deeper understanding of the sport than you are able to grasp at this point. I doubt you have ever wrestled at a high level or we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You are an obtuse troll who came looking for a fight. Keep believing what you believe as I know longer have an interest in attempting to educate you.
 
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Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
 
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Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
 
Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
 
Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
 
Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
 
Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
 
Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?

Some of us are experiencing a technical glitch w/ Rivals. Was happening to me, too.
 
This is the most delusional conspiracy posting I've seen from you yet FT. Are you seriously going to deny Degen locked his hands while on top? I mean they went and looked at it on video and immediately confirmed the call because...it was obvious. You can't say somebody got robbed of back points when they used an illegal move to get the back points.
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Lugo is a tough wrestler, but perhaps the very least diverse wrestler in the entire country save the Bull. He would have driven in exactly how he did whether the correct call was made (which it wasn't) or not. He is hardly the type of guy to make sudden strategic adjustments on the fly. Degan is a very weird dude to wrestle and reaches places other wrestlers simply can't reach. His long body wears opponents completely out. I honestly hate watching him most of the time, but it has grown on me.
I can literally tell you the score of the next twenty matches Lugo wrestles at the end of the first period. 0-0. Bet
 
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Not saying I agree totally with this but he does wrestle like a bull thus the name bull. He tends to move forward and work off of that bull mentality. I think where he has issues is when he wrestles kids that are very good like himself. He still wins but he isn't a kemmerer type that uses more position and finesse like moves to wrestle an opponent. Maybe I'm wrong. I just know this I know exactly what to expect when bull wrestles and that's full steam ahead.
 
Lol, any wrestler at the division 1 level knows how to wrestle depending on the situation. Just absolutely ridiclous reasoning. Lugo not having a wide variety of attacks has nothing to with whether he continues to drive in with his hips high to finish or stays patient with his hips low to cover since he already has the points. Two completely different things. Spoken like somebody who never wrestled.
It's not the moves that makes wrestlers score zero points in the first quarter every damn match. It's the mentality that Lugo has. He just doesn't go get it like he could and doesn't score a lot of points
 
Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
Has anyone ever heard of a guy named ironbird. Just asking because I didn't get an answer on at least three other threads. Is that like a wrestling move like a spraddle lmfao
 
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I can literally tell you the score of the next twenty matches Lugo wrestles at the end of the first period. 0-0. Bet
Last year 7 of his 33 matches were scoreless after the first period and 3 happened at the NCAA Tournament (Maruca, Blees, Thorn) and 1 at the Big 10 tournament (Berge). The other 3 during the regular season were Yahya Thomas, Anthony Ashnault, and Cole Martin. I’ll take your bet.
 
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I guess it like teaching math to dogs. Keep it simple stupid doesn't really even apply. Kyle Snyder clearly understands he needs to better understand the other side of the wrestling spectrum in order to improve. He is amazing in position and his text book attacks. He must improve in ways that Cael/Bo can help him if he hopes to beat the Russian again. This really shouldn't be this hard, but the old Iowa mentality is hard to penetrate.
man, you sure tickled some nerve endings, good thing they have lots of them...
 
Iowa fans that pay attention know exactly what Lugo brings to the team. No doubt he struggles with tall drinks of water. Who wouldn't that's 5' 4" wrestling 149?

Very few here thought he would be an AA last year. He proved a lot of people wrong. Hard not to root for the guy
Most on here, unlike some HR fellows were certain Lugo wasn't going to challenge for a title. Most on here thought Lugo was an 8th place possibility.
 
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Did RBY have one hand behind his back at Arz last week and just kept backing up and had all them stall calls lol..now that was very creative move I guess to some of you folks..What weight did u wrestle Mr.Whitters if I may ask and how many attacks did u use?
Dude, you are stuttering.
 
Last year 7 of his 33 matches were scoreless after the first period and 3 happened at the NCAA Tournament (Maruca, Blees, Thorn) and 1 at the Big 10 tournament (Berge). The other 3 during the regular season were Yahya Thomas, Anthony Ashnault, and Cole Martin. I’ll take your bet.
What was the scores. Not over three that's for sure.
 
Iowa fans that pay attention know exactly what Lugo brings to the team. No doubt he struggles with tall drinks of water. Who wouldn't that's 5' 4" wrestling 149?

Very few here thought he would be an AA last year. He proved a lot of people wrong. Hard not to root for the guy
No it's pretty easy
 
Last year 7 of his 33 matches were scoreless after the first period and 3 happened at the NCAA Tournament (Maruca, Blees, Thorn) and 1 at the Big 10 tournament (Berge). The other 3 during the regular season were Yahya Thomas, Anthony Ashnault, and Cole Martin. I’ll take your bet.
You have way too much time friend
 
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