An average evening at the Brands' house.
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An average evening at the Brands' house.
Kaleb looks like he’s on full feed in that pic.
I picture Kems grand kids rolling up their noses at him cause he smells like Ben Gay.
I can see him Gabe Dean'ing it. "Retire" but train still then get an itching to give it a go in 2024. He's a tweener though. Not sure he can get to 74KG, would be small for 86KG. Also, isn't there some talks that he kind of wants to get a start on his white collar life? Very smart kid from what I hear, was considering Stanford, Cornell, Lehigh also.
Kem did an interview(below) and mentioned that he was planning on joining the HWC after this year. Granted that was back in September, so plans may change.
Selfishly, I want him in the Hawkeye room as long as possible. Love his wrestling style and hope he gives freestyle a shot.
(Rokfin paywalled)
The freestyle life is way less strenuous on the body in terms of competition obviously. Worth giving it a go for him tbh. I don't think he's tired of wrestling, I think he's tired of being injured all the time. (What he told Willie about whether he want to come back or not) Can pick and choose your events as you want and you can do 1 a year, 5 a year, 10 a year totally up to you.
Thanks for the reminder. I knew he had said he wanted to return, but had forgotten when.
I'll assume rehab won't dissuade him, until he says otherwise. The wild card would be if something unforeseen changes. Last year at this time, nobody imagined Koll would offer Cenzo 6 figures.
Ultimately, whatever path he chooses and for how long, he's earned that choice.
How did the freestyle life work for Cassar and his shoulders? I don't see Kems body holding up to freestyle.
There has been nothing this season or last that makes me think BB is at that level yet. Lovett can be boring at times but he is good. He took Yianni to SV and shot a nice double in SV that likely only YD could have turned into his own TD.
He's a great scrambler and tough on top. Doesn't shoot a bunch but he has offense when he needs it.
Someone else posted that they thought BB would beat Lovett before our dual, I don't remember the score, but wasn't it close to bonus?
Hopefully you can serve up some Crow in March and I'll gladly eat it. Until then, I don't see them at the same level yet.
6-0
That was the match where Beau had Lovett on his butt with a single leg and was trying to lock up a cradle when Lovett somehow blasted a double from that awkward seated position.
Because that was such a bizarre sequence, in which Beau probably locks the cradle much more often than not, I could see Beau winning a rematch. Wouldn't predict that since Lovett appears to be better overall, but it's not inconceivable.
Wrestlers who make a lot of noise as underdogs in March are the ones who let it fly, not the ones who try to sit and steal one in the third. Wrestlers will get tight and often, looseness alone can provide a huge advantage.
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The thing I see with Lovett is that he never initiates his own offense - he is always looking to counter, which is against the rules and he should be dinged for stalling when wrestling in that fashion - multiple times, especially when it's similar to his last match where he wrestled in Neutral for some 6 minutes and 45 seconds and took zero shots while his opponent shot and got on his legs 4 or 5 times only to be stalemated out by ankle grabs or crotch-locks from Lovett. If he wrestled like that in Int'l Free, he'd lose consistently as he'd be well behind by end of 1st Period.
I’ll be honest, unless I’m misremembering RBY has been wrestling DeSanto a lot like that. Almost like he wants Desanto to go for it so he can counter.
I actually saw Lovett hold center quite a bit early on.. I know it isn't freestyle but he wasn't backing up much
I guess there are times that even great offensive wrestlers that also possess elite defensive skills, just want to frustrate their opponent. I think Lovett was doing that with VT and RBY was doing it with AD, by showing their elite defense. It must make you feel good and your opponent demoralized when you know there is no way that he is going to take you down!
I'm thinking we see a different plan for rby if they meet again
I know this is just going down another rabbit hole with the same clown, but things that are repeatedly posted often start to gain credence and stalling is one of the most debated topics here and elsewhere. Just don't make sh*t up and state it as fact.
"which is against the rules" - never initiating his own offense is NOT against the rules. If you don't take shots very often it can be difficult to compete and not stall, but it is not impossible. Lovett is a pretty good example of that.
First, the description of stalling is "One or both wrestlers attempting to avoid wrestling action as an offensive or defensive strategy." Sufficiently vague enough for a broad interpretation, but suffice to say that Lovett's style, RBY's style, or even say Eierman's style is not often interpreted as stalling by many refs. Just because you're a counter wrestler does not mean you're "avoiding wrestling." Blocking off, repeatedly backing to the edge, not returning to circle - these are examples of stalling. Hand-fighting, attempting to position your opponent, holding or returning to center - all of these guys are actively attempting this. I am not going to watch the replay but watching it live Sunday (and having watched Lovett a few times), I can't say that he was actively blocking - unless maybe the last few seconds.
Various other articles in the rule book deal with specific applications of stalling, but none define that you need to take a shot to avoid stalling. The closest you could come would be the article that is actually titled "Initiating Action", but even that is defined very vaguely as "wrestling aggressively" and "staying near the center." I know that 10,000 Iowa fans may define wrestling aggressively as pushing another guy off the mat, but most refs don't unless they have 14,000 fans screaming at them to do so for a few minutes straight. Human nature
Shots taken definitely have optics, and taking a bunch in succession or having a wide disparity during a match can certainly shape anyone's definition of who is wrestling aggressively. But that match was certainly not lopsided in terms of that. It's not like Turk took 10 shots to none. He took a couple of good shots, picking his spots to avoid Lovett's strength until he couldn't anymore. He wrestled well, with a good plan. Lovett wrestled better.
Even worse, this statement "If he wrestled like that in Int'l Free, he'd lose consistently as he'd be well behind by end of 1st Period" is friggin' inane. It's almost like you have never watched "Int'l free" and then just threw that in there to sound more credible. I've got to think you have no idea what the criteria is that determines a passive call as well.
I've posted the above and then will proactively say "I'm out" to avoid turning this thread into a dumpster fire with you.
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Lovett's match against Turk was definitely a match where Lovett took zero offensive shots. The thing is, with the exception of the two Russian ties that Turk used to attempt a couple doubles Turk was circling backwards with Lovett continously moving forward into Turk's shot. It wasn't like Lovett was avoiding wrestling. At least until the last 30 or 40 seconds.
It is tough to be the guy moving forward into a continuously retreating target and generate a very effective offense. Turk found that out when he took the desperation shot on a retreating Lovett and surrendered the easy 2 at the end of the match.
It is tough to be the guy moving forward into a continuously retreating target and generate a very effective offense. Turk found that out when he took the desperation shot on a retreating Lovett and surrendered the easy 2 at the end of the match.
Exactly. Turk's head positioning is far more likely to draw a passive call than Lovett not taking a shot - if freestyle.
In terms of folkstyle, the kid is no dummy. He knows how to wrestle within the rules in a style that he executes well.
Wow -- somebody out-worded Bushwood.
Nice try, but DQ for having actual content in the post.
Lovett is a good defensive wrestler. No doubt. Turk had him a couple times until Lovett said hell no. Turk had a leg way in the air in the first period and lost it. He also got rejected on a nice double later on I thought Turk would finish. As active as Turk was, his only point of the match came in the last seconds when it was too late. Credit to Lovett on that.
Hopefully Murin has better luck. Murin is better at finishing than Turk when he has a leg, and is a much better rider. We shall see
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If I was a referee and I'm not but I'm considering it lol I would call a wrestler for stalling if I didn't see some offensive move in a minutes time. They call for action all the time if I'm the ref saying that I'm letting both wrestlers know they need to get offensive meaning tie up or take a shot something offensive. It's not that complicated. If Lovett was coming forward looking for action and turk is backing off of it I call him for stalling if Lovett keeps coming forward but doesn't take a shot he's stalling offensive move means offensive move
Lovett was moving forward and Turk was shooting. I would have been reluctant to call much stalling in that match.
Ridge isn't always fearless. I've watched him wrestle defensive his whole career in big matches. Don't let matches like Turk fool ya though he's got mad skills and big move potential when he needs it.
Been watching him since he was a little guy in northern Idaho. Ridge is solid in all positions and capable of some crazy Nolf like stuff when he goes for it. The takedown against beau was something I had to go back and rewatch. Nolfesque in my opinion.
You apparently are forgetting Turk's classy barrel-roll takedown of Lovett about 2.5 seconds after the match ended.
Nolfesque? The upcoming B1G Tourney will show what a joke this claim is. Let's see how much offense he produces beyond his first match of B1Gs.... or beyond his first 2 matches at NCAAs.
Ouch.......that's gonna leave a mark.......
. Where was the ref?..... just so damned impressed that he took a committed & successful but illegal shot 3 seconds after the horn? Maybe on Sr. Night you get to bitch slap your opponent without repercussions........or concussions? That match was bizarre. Audition for MMA? Thug Life commercial? Kinda sad to watch. Hope Murin is back for BIGS. At least he wrestles hard and clean.
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Complete nonsense that "holding center" via dancing with a tie with no attempt to score means you aren't stalling. That's laughable nonsense. The rulebook requires you to work to score and INITIATE scoring attempts (each wrestler is supposed to carry 50% of the initiated offense and both are required by rule to work to score at all times [i.e., what the Ref is referring to when he tells the wrestlers to "improve" from a stalemated "tie" position]). When one wrestler is initiating a disproportionate number of actual initiated "scoring attempts", it is by definition Stalling on the other wrestler. In this case, Turk initiated infinitely more scoring attempts than Lovett over the almost 7 minutes of Neutral wrestling as Lovett INITIATED precisely ZERO scoring attempts from Neutral (and contrary to your absurd claims, Turk INITIATED at least 4 or 5 attempts that were stalemated by Lovett using ankle-grabs or crotch-locks) - division by zero is a mathematical limit approaching infinity.
In any event, your notion that engaging in a tie with your opponent with no attempt to improve or score... and just hanging-on and pushing on your opponent - doing a "dancing bear" routine in the center circle - counts as "offensive action" is laughably ridiculous - it doesn't. Your notion that someone could wrestle 6 minutes and 45 seconds of Neutral wrestling, not make a single offensive attempt at scoring, and not be stalling is equally ridiculous.
Also hilarious that Bushwood is arguing the rules with Dice, considering Dice's role in the sport.
Then again, Bushwood.
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