Jay Paterno's letter to Urban Meyer asking for a spot on his staff

[uppermaclion]

I don't like Jay as a coach. Some of the stuff just made me laugh. I'm not going to comment any more.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/07/jay_paterno_letter_to_ohio_sta.html

 

[michnittlion]

That note makes me more sad than it makes me laugh.

 

[psuro]

Not sure what the big deal is. He is a guy looking for a job.

Maybe he wasn't the best but he has as much right to look for employment as anyone else.

 

[nits74]

Not sure what the big deal is. He is a guy looking for a job.

Maybe he wasn't the best but he has as much right to look for employment as anyone else.

Seriously, the unfounded hatred for Jay by some of these people is over the top. And much of that comes from those that support the old guard BOT and also hated Joe. Imagine that.

 

[ralpieE]

Seriously, the unfounded hatred for Jay by some of these people is over the top.

+1

 

[joedirt47]

Not sure what the big deal is. He is a guy looking for a job.

Maybe he wasn't the best but he has as much right to look for employment as anyone else.

Meh. You've got a point. It'd be nice if football royalty wouldn't voluntarily leave the Holy Land to live in the belly of the beast, though. I'd hope he'd get a Div III or Div II job, and use that to climb back into THE spot in State College. He may not have been the best, but he's got good genes, and maybe all he needs is some more experience.

 

[FLAlionfan]

That note makes me more sad than it makes me laugh.

Michigan Man can't help but interject his sorry self into every string involving the Paterno family......I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.....it was either Mary spurned his advances or Jay or David pissed in his corn flakes! Or the reverse.....not that there is anything wrong with that! Or he is a Surma cousin?

 

[dawgduice]

Well, to be candid, Jay "may" only get another chance at coaching after ALL of the law suits and court cases are over. Everyone deserves a fair chance. But, since his name is Paterno he will not get that, because of all of the BS.

 

[NorCalcLion]

Look at the Date December 23, 2014 ., As if Urban was adding coaches at that point and well after the filing of the law suit. In my opinion, Jay is just doing some legal posturing and not expecting an interview.

 

[psuro]

That note makes me more sad than it makes me laugh.

And while I am at it....some sorry ass mother f***** gave you a job - and if you are half as bad at that as you are with your posts, then you absolutely have no room to criticize Jay Paterno. Or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Bob78]

I don't like Jay as a coach. Some of the stuff just made me laugh. I'm not going to comment any more.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/07/jay_paterno_letter_to_ohio_sta.html

I don't understand all the hate directed at Jay, either. I was hardly ever his biggest fan, but this ongoing vitriol toward one of our own is absurd.
Urban may be who he is, but he, Herbie, and Luke Fickle all came to Joe's memorial ceremony at the BJC. Joe and Meyer had a friendship. The primary - maybe only - reason Urban now has such a distaste for PSU is because of the way PSU handled Joe and treated him so poorly while all this was going down. Same with Fitz of Northwestern People who knew Joe, as Meyer and Fitz did, know that he did not do anything to impede any investigation of JS.
Jay has a right to reach out to his network and look for a job in coaching. I'd like to see the response from Meyer. Could help solidify the Paternos' argument that all this trash thrown at them has greatly harmed future career opportunities. None of us on this board are in a position to say whether or not Jay should be or would be a realistic candidate for another Div. 1A, Power 5 opportunity as an assistant, as a coordinator, or even as a head coach.

 

[Bob78]

Look at the Date December 23, 2014 ., As if Urban was adding coaches at that point and well after the filing of the law suit. In my opinion, Jay is just doing some legal posturing and not expecting an interview.

The note says 'now or in the future'. It's a networking note, and in no way should anyone think it is simply a legal posturing ploy. Maybe the man actually loves coaching, just as his dad did! And he is looking for an opportunity through his extensive network! OMG! Perish the thought!

 

[Ranger Dan]

Ive been critical of Joe, mostly for not retiring and leading U.S. To the dark years. I respected and admired him for his grand experiment so much more than I was disappointed in his selfish desire to stay past his prime. In Jay's case, the ratio of respect to admiration is opposite of joe. He is smart, well spoken, and a good family man. He never worked for anything in his life and ate from the silver spoon when he would have been better served by going his own way. He also seemed a little arrogant, considering his lack of true accomplishment. As the saying goes, he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

I wanted to edit to say that I don't begrudge him the opportunity to work again as a coach. I hope he does get another job. I think he should consider starting at more attainable programs...

 

[NorCalcLion]

IMHO , If he truly loves being a coach, which he probably does, then why not look at a lower profile type coaching position.
such as with the PA state university level or a Division III level school. Maybe he has but we may never know.

 

[nits74]

Ive been critical of Joe, mostly for not retiring and leading U.S. To the dark years. I respected and admired him for his grand experiment so much more than I was disappointed in his selfish desire to stay past his prime. In Jay's case, the ratio of respect to admiration is opposite of joe. He is smart, well spoken, and a good family man. He never worked for anything in his life and ate from the silver spoon when he would have been better served by going his own way. He also seemed a little arrogant, considering his lack of true accomplishment. As the saying goes, he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

This is a pretty presumptuous post. You have no clue as to how the Paterno's raised their kids and what values they instilled in them. Further, to assume he never worked for anything in his life simply because he was born into a successful family is preposterous. How can you be so certain that he did nothing while an assistant at Penn State? Also, he did coach at other schools before coming back to Penn State, so you are wrong on that count. Do you work in the media? If not, sounds like a good occupation for ya.

 

[NittanyAmerica]

INBL

N i t t a n y A m e r i c a

 

[Bob78]

IMHO , If he truly loves being a coach, which he probably does, then why not look at a lower profile type coaching position.
such as with the PA state university level or a Division III level school. Maybe he has but we may never know.

Maybe someday he will, but if he feels he has the resume and the skills to coach at the highest levels, why would he not exhaust those efforts first?
Seriously, without the 'incident', and given that after Joe, PSU was going to look outside for its new HC and likely much of the staff would have been replaced, why do we think that Jay would have had a tough time getting interviews? There are many coaches' sons on their staffs at every level.
Thinking Jay was unique or had not earned his spot is unfounded grumbling based on emotion vs. the likely reality. Jay coached at UMass and JMU prior to PSU, remember. I doubt any of those spots let him sit idly by and tell people he didn't need to work hard. He learned from Joe - just as we are rightfully very proud of the players who played for Joe because they carry that PSU football work ethic with them throughout life, knowing they have to earn their spots in whatever field they choose, I go with the assumption that that same impact was felt by Jay and reinforced by Joe. I'd guess there were many more moments when it was tougher being Joe's son on the staff than it was easier. Again, I wasn't a huge fan of Jay's, but I was of Joe, and I believe Joe held Jay to the same standards he held the others on the staff.

 

[psuro]

Maybe someday he will, but if he feels he has the resume and the skills to coach at the highest levels, why would he not exhaust those efforts first?
Seriously, without the 'incident', and given that after Joe, PSU was going to look outside for its new HC and likely much of the staff would have been replaced, why do we think that Jay would have had a tough time getting interviews? There are many coaches' sons on their staffs at every level.
Thinking Jay was unique or had not earned his spot is unfounded grumbling based on emotion vs. the likely reality. Jay coached at UMass and JMU prior to PSU, remember. I doubt any of those spots let him sit idly by and tell people he didn't need to work hard. He learned from Joe - just as we are rightfully very proud of the players who played for Joe because they carry that PSU football work ethic with them throughout life, knowing they have to earn their spots in whatever field they choose, I go with the assumption that that same impact was felt by Jay and reinforced by Joe. I'd guess there were many more moments when it was tougher being Joe's son on the staff than it was easier. Again, I wasn't a huge fan of Jay's, but I was of Joe, and I believe Joe held Jay to the same standards he held the others on the staff.

I think he held him to a higher standard, actually.

 

[Bobpsu]

I don't like Jay as a coach. Some of the stuff just made me laugh. I'm not going to comment any more.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/07/jay_paterno_letter_to_ohio_sta.html

J off

 

[Bob78]

I think he held him to a higher standard, actually.

You're probably right, Ro.

 

[michnittlion]

And while I am at it....some sorry ass mother f***** gave you a job - and if you are half as bad at that as you are with your posts, then you absolutely have no room to criticize Jay Paterno. Or anyone else for that matter.

What's sad about this note is that Jay is trumpeting his skills in "public relations" and "social media", both highly tangential to the job of being an assistant college football coach. (Yes, those skills matter a bit if you are the HEAD coach).

What's sad about this process is that the NCAA has asked for documented proof of Jay's quest for employment, and he's produced very little documentation beyond these notes to OSU, WVU, and Georgia's head coaches.

Jay should apply for OC at Lehigh (or a similiar type school). He's absolutely qualified for such a position and he'd probably get a job like that.

(Also: there's something that OSU, WVU and Georgia had in common on December 23, 2014. They no longer have that thing in common. Bonus points for whoever figures that out.)

 

[Michael.Felli]

What's sad about this note is that Jay is trumpeting his skills in "public relations" and "social media", both highly tangential to the job of being an assistant college football coach. (Yes, those skills matter a bit if you are the HEAD coach).

What's sad about this process is that the NCAA has asked for documented proof of Jay's quest for employment, and he's produced very little documentation beyond these notes to OSU, WVU, and Georgia's head coaches.

Jay should apply for OC at Lehigh (or a similiar type school). He's absolutely qualified for such a position and he'd probably get a job like that.

(Also: there's something that OSU, WVU and Georgia had in common on December 23, 2014. They no longer have that thing in common. Bonus points for whoever figures that out.)

Former Penn Staters on the staff?

 

[LionFan96]

That note makes me more sad than it makes me laugh.

For your life to get any sadder is very concerning. Maybe you should try eating some cookies.

 

[Michael.Felli]

Well, I named my dog, Nittany, after the Penn State Nittany Lions. And a young 20-something woman asked if I were a child molester, too.

So, I, too, think it's difficult for anyone named Paterno to land a job.

 

[michnittlion]

Former Penn Staters on the staff?

Ding ding ding ding ding.

It just is what it is ------ much like the guy on the unemployment line who needs to provide some proof he's applying for jobs and fakes something up, Jay knew the NCAA was going to be asking for documentation of his claims. So he writes up letters to the first 3 schools he can think of. Those 3 schools were apparently top-of-mind because of the presence of his one-time colleagues.

 

[psuro]

What's sad about this note is that Jay is trumpeting his skills in "public relations" and "social media", both highly tangential to the job of being an assistant college football coach. (Yes, those skills matter a bit if you are the HEAD coach).

What's sad about this process is that the NCAA has asked for documented proof of Jay's quest for employment, and he's produced very little documentation beyond these notes to OSU, WVU, and Georgia's head coaches.

Jay should apply for OC at Lehigh (or a similiar type school). He's absolutely qualified for such a position and he'd probably get a job like that.

(Also: there's something that OSU, WVU and Georgia had in common on December 23, 2014. They no longer have that thing in common. Bonus points for whoever figures that out.)

None of them were in my kitchen.

What you think Jay should do is simply immaterial to what he feels he should do.

He has spent the better part of the last three years trying to fight for his father's name, and taking care of his family including his mother. I don't consider that to be a negative, and the courts (not you or I) will make that determination.

 

[psuro]

Ding ding ding ding ding.

It just is what it is ------ much like the guy on the unemployment line who needs to provide some proof he's applying for jobs and fakes something up, Jay knew the NCAA was going to be asking for documentation of his claims. So he writes up letters to the first 3 schools he can think of. Those 3 schools were apparently top-of-mind because of the presence of his one-time colleagues.

You have proof of this? Or is this more of your made up logic.

Seriously - TV lawyers make better arguments than you do.

 

[michnittlion]

None of them were in my kitchen.

What you think Jay should do is simply immaterial to what he feels he should do.

He has spent the better part of the last three years trying to fight for his father's name, and taking care of his family including his mother. I don't consider that to be a negative, and the courts (not you or I) will make that determination.

All good things. A credit to Jay for that.

Suing our University and trying to undermine Bill O'Brien behind his back (I'll bet you a beer in heaven that Jay was among the sources for that SI hit-piece). Not so good.

 

[michnittlion]

You have proof of this? Or is this more of your made up logic.

Seriously - TV lawyers make better arguments than you do.

Provide documentation of all the other schools Jay has applied to. That's all Jay needs to do. Should be easy enough.

(1) Given that he hasn't produced said documentation, and (2) the coincidental similarity between the 3 schools where he has provided some documentation, my scenario may not be that far off.

 

[jabba2]

Jay should be applying at lower level BCS schools. Not OSU and Georgia. I guess West Virginia qualifies as lower level, But the bigger football schools probably do not want ties with Jay (I'll sue you) Paterno.

 

[lionlurker]

I don't really care what most of the pro-BOT people think, since I have most of them on Ignore, but I would be much prouder and happier to have my daughter marry someone like Jay, than one of the dipshits around here who just can't stop bashing him at every opportunity.

 

[jabba2]

I don't really care what most of the pro-BOT people think, since I have most of them on Ignore, but I would be much prouder and happier to have my daughter marry someone like Jay, than one of the dipshits around here who just can't stop bashing him at every opportunity.

Having Joe's bloodlines in the family doesn't hurt either, right?

 

[FLAlionfan]

All good things. A credit to Jay for that.

Suing our University and trying to undermine Bill O'Brien behind his back (I'll bet you a beer in heaven that Jay was among the sources for that SI hit-piece). Not so good.

Again you are making sh*t up......almost 9000 posts.....almost all having to do with the Paterno family! You are just a very very sick individual!

 

[LionFan96]

Again you are making sh*t up......almost 9000 posts.....almost all having to do with the Paterno family! You are just a very very sick individual!

Now now, I'm sure that at least some of his posts are worthwhile, which as we've all learned, means 1 of his posts.

 

[uppermaclion]

Seriously, the unfounded hatred for Jay by some of these people is over the top. And much of that comes from those that support the old guard BOT and also hated Joe. Imagine that.

I don't think most have a hatred for Jay. Unless calling him a not so good coach is considered hatred(maybe it is and my definition is different then some). I don't have anything against him. I don't think Jay is/was a good coach. We can debate that all we want, that's my opinion. I'm not so sure why people are taking that as some sort of "hatred" towards him. What am I suppose to say, Jay was the greatest coach of all time? If Jay were an in demand coach he would have a job already. I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE PERSON EVEN THE MOST OBNOXIOUS FANS FROM OTHER SCHOOLS, EVER IMPLICATE JAY IN ANYTHING. AGain my opinion. So for him to be asking for a job at OSU is rather a bit of a stretch imho.

 

[tgar]

Jay is a solid guy. He didn't ask to be born a Paterno but he sure as hell is proud of the fact that he is Joe's son among other things. Best of luck to Jay in his quest for the truth, quest to avenge his dad's name and in everything he does.

I for one am a fan based on his actions over these past few years.

 

[kjb32812]

Apparently Urban rejected him because he knows he wouldn't be able to recruit Ohio.

 

[canuckhal]

Wow, so many people know the motivations of Jay. I thought the judge ruled that both parties were not to make discovery documents and make arguments based on discovery public for this exact reason.

I don't understand why people would have a problem with this. If you were in the same situation, wouldn't you do the same? The number one method to find employment is to make and use networks.

 

[Obliviax]

I don't like Jay as a coach. Some of the stuff just made me laugh. I'm not going to comment any more.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/07/jay_paterno_letter_to_ohio_sta.html

Tons of variables here....he was toxic from Nov. 2011 till now...probably still. Nobody was going to hire him and anyone that says otherwise is fooling themselves. Scrap, who had far more credentials, was in limbo from 2011 until 2014 when he got the job with WVU.

For those challenging him with "why didn't you do a? Why didn't you do b?", you don't have a clue what you are talking about. He's had quite a load dumped on his plate.

 

[uppermaclion]

J off

So you post about circle jerks(remember that post that got deleted) and a J off. HMMM??? Sounds like somebody is hiding in the closet and is trying to tell us something. SUcker(and I mean that LiterallY)!!! That's all you can do is call people names cause you have nothing to add. Ignore for you buddy! Two can play at this game.