Jay Paterno's letter to Urban Meyer asking for a spot on his staff
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Because Glov acts and posts like he in in junior high. So he would definitely know.
I can't imagine why he would not want to support Franklin. He supported The First New Guy. Why not the Next New Guy.
Generally well liked - so you mean emails and social media posts where people told him to rot in hell for what "his father allowed to happen". Or that he could not send his kids to school for a few days because of the massive media onslaught after the "leaked" GJ presentment.
Seriously - you are just bad at logic. You are, however, very good and conjecture. I will credit you for that.
If Jay supported the "First New Guy", he certainly had an interesting way of showing that support.
Vitriol towards our own is something that became big time here post-9/11.
At first I could not believe the words coming off the fingers of Penn Staters. Then I learned to accept the stupidity and inanity of it.
This Jay hatred is a good sports-related example of it.
I think Jay realizes anything he says/tweets regarding PSU football will be put under a microscope and has potential to be a distraction if taken the wrong way. It's Franklin's team and he certainly respects that...but also doesn't need to be a cheerleader on social media to prove it.
A lot of his support for other sports at PSU could just as easily be support for the coaches that he knows personally.
FYI:
Dec 2011: Jay applied for the HC job at Penn State
Feb 2012: Discussions with HBO about JVP documentary(also discussions with Showtime, ESPN, and Fox)
March/April 2012: Discussions with ESPN about commentator role
June 2012: Agreement with ESPN to produce documentary
July 2012: ESPN no longer interested in documentary
April 2013: Discussions with CBS about commentator and analyst role
Spring 2013-Spring 2015: Discussions with Fox about commentator and analyst role
Dec 2012: Applied for BC head coach
Dec 2012: Applied for Colorado head coach
Dec 2012: Was advised by Temple that they would not consider any former Penn State coaches for head coach job
Dec 2013: Applied for UConn head coach
Dec 2013: Applied for JMU head coach
Dec 2014: Applied for QB coach at Georgia
Dec 2014: Applied for QB coach at WVU
Dec 2011: Jay applied for the HC job at Penn State
Feb 2012: Discussions with HBO about JVP documentary(also discussions with Showtime, ESPN, and Fox)
March/April 2012: Discussions with ESPN about commentator role
June 2012: Agreement with ESPN to produce documentary
July 2012: ESPN no longer interested in documentary
April 2013: Discussions with CBS about commentator and analyst role
Spring 2013-Spring 2015: Discussions with Fox about commentator and analyst role
Dec 2012: Applied for BC head coach
Dec 2012: Applied for Colorado head coach
Dec 2012: Was advised by Temple that they would not consider any former Penn State coaches for head coach job
Dec 2013: Applied for UConn head coach
Dec 2013: Applied for JMU head coach
Dec 2014: Applied for QB coach at Georgia
Dec 2014: Applied for QB coach at WVU
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The HC applications are a bit shocking IMO. QB Coach at Georgia and WVU are about where he should be aiming. Temple arrogance is hilarious though.
Jay will never be hired anywhere, so long as he is in the news and pursuing lawsuits. No school will want the media distraction.
If he ever goes quiet and lays low for awhile like Bradley did, then he may get an opportunity based on coaching ability and experience. Will need to let go of Penn State first.
Most likely will have to start out with a lower target like Tom did as far as schools.
If he ever goes quiet and lays low for awhile like Bradley did, then he may get an opportunity based on coaching ability and experience. Will need to let go of Penn State first.
Most likely will have to start out with a lower target like Tom did as far as schools.
Why?? Most ass't want to be a HFC. the offensive co-coordinator at a very successful B1G school, going to a couple of tough places to coach?? Seems reasonable to me.
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Jay's resume, on paper, has him topping out at QB Coach. His next step is O Coordinator somewhere (and not de facto OC courtesy of his father). James Madison is about the level of HC he should have been aiming for. BC, Colorado, and even UConn are above his pay grade and experience IMO.
well one of the bitches about coaching for JVP was he was not in to big titles for assistant coaches. It made it tough sometimes for guys to go elsewhere, because the media generally would conclude what you concluded. Heck I think tv media wanted JVP to name coordinators just so they knew who to blame.
Look at Galen resume, he was just the RB's coach as far as the official site is concerned. http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hall_galen00.html
The Eagles hired Andy Reid from the Packers, and he was 'only' a QB coach. So you never know until you ask.
I think Reid was also Assistant HC when the Eagles hired him, he had years of coaching at different levels, and worked with a HOF QB, possibly the best of all time. Big difference IMO.
no Andy was the QB coach. Besides the title 'Asst HC" just means that one has gotten a pretty big raise, and needed a title to justify the raise. That's why you see some teans have both an 'Assistant HC', and an 'Associate HC'.
We know Jay didn't get hired, but there is no reason for him not to seek HC positions. Why should he self determine if he's qualified?? That's someone else's job. To be clear, I am not saying Jay should have been hired for those positions, I am just saying, he had the qualifications to apply for those jobs.
here is part of AR Wiki- you'll have to show where he was AHC, as there is no mention of that title anywhere.
He was hired as an assistant coach by the Green Bay Packers in 1992, the same year quarterback Brett Favre became a member of that team. Reid was named the Packers' quarterbacks coach in 1997, the season after the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI.
Philadelphia Eagles[edit]
The quality of Reid's work with the Packers attracted considerable notice throughout the league, leading to his being hired as the head coach of the Eagles on January 11, 1999. At the time, many in the local media in Philadelphia criticized the hiring, citing the availability of other candidates who had past records of success as head coaches. It was noted that Reid had never been an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator
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Thanks Lundy thats some excellent info and maybe will make some posters at least admit they were wrong,(fat chance).
But hey we will be getting "poll" results shortly so there's that.
I don't think him applying for the HC position at Uconn or JMU is "shocking" especially since he coached at JMU before.
Yea the Temple thing I had no idea about and not sure how much more evidence the courts would need than that alone.
Thanks Lundy thats some excellent info and maybe will make some posters at least admit they were wrong,(fat chance).
But hey we will be getting "poll" results shortly so there's that.
If Jay can prove that someone at Temple advised him that "no former Penn State coaches would be considered for the Temple Head Coach job" then Jay has something.
Key word -- again --- is "prove." I'll admit I'm wrong if/when Jay proves it.
FWIW, per yesterday's court documents, Jay himself doesn't use the "some means a number more than one" argument as regards his claim that "a reasonable person would believe that the statement "some coaches, administrators, and football staff members" in the Consent Decree was directed at you (Jay) personally." See page 150 of the longer PDF from yesterday.
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I highly doubt those are the words Temple used and even if it was, isn't it there prerogative to hire who they want and stay away from who they want, even if its dumb?
It's relevant as regards BBrown's original post to me --- where he implies that I don't admit where I'm wrong.
I've admitted where I'm wrong a number of times before, and would do it again here.
Those may not be the words Temple used --- but they ARE the words Jay Paterno used per the court documents released yesterday.
To be clear, I am not saying Jay should have been hired for those positions, I am just saying, he had the qualifications to apply for those jobs.
Yes. He did.
Do you really think that will be that difficult? They just have to say it during deposition.
Name people who have been hired as a Head Coach at a FBS-level school with:
(1) No prior experience as a Head Coach at any level.
(2) No prior experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator at any level.
(3) Wasn't already on the staff at said school in the year before.
I honestly cannot think of one person who fits (1), (2), or (3). Pat Fitzgerald and Kyle Flood are B1G coaches who fit both (1) and (2).
Could you provide a link to those times please? Cause I don't remember them.
I think you've had the Paterno suit wrong from day 1.
See post #56 of this very thread. I admitted I was wrong, and someone else had a better point.
Another example: I was wrong in that I thought the NCAA would never restore the Paterno victories short of being ordered to do so by a court. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Everyone knows that Jay was the OC and QB coach. Just stop trying to move the goal posts.
Yes, and he was from PSU. Jim Caldwell.
LINK: Jim Caldwell
1977 Iowa
(graduate assistant)
1978–1980 Southern Illinois
(wide receivers coach)
1981 Northwestern
(assistant - offense)
1982–1984 Colorado
(wide receivers coach)
1985 Louisville
(wide receivers coach)
1986–1992 Penn State
(quarterbacks coach)
1993–2000 Wake Forest
(head coach)
Jay was never offensive coordinator at Penn State. Galen Hall had that title, not Jay.
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/paterno_jay00.html
Then a lot of people, you included, need to apologize to Jay for his play calling.
Are you going to admit you were wrong then in arguing that Jay Paterno as an offensive coordinator? This "admit you were wrong" argument goes both ways .........
Most of my criticisms around Jay center not around play-calling (that is on Galen and Joe), but around reports over the years that he wasn't well-respected in the locker room. The most infamous example, of course, being the Drew Astorino incident in 2011.
If you google that, you'll find several references to him being "co offensive coordinator". I recall that title for him in the final years as Galin got older. LINK
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