IIRC he also applied for jobs at Colorado and Uconn and another school I'm forgetting right now.
Jay Paterno's letter to Urban Meyer asking for a spot on his staff
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IIRC he also applied for jobs at Colorado and Uconn and another school I'm forgetting right now.
and Tom Bradely did not get the initial job at UCLA because the president thought it was too soon after the Sandusky scandal. Just saying.
Again those were not the only 3 schools he applied for positions at.
That fits my personal anecdotal evidence as well.
I think Jay was generally well-liked nationally from the November 2011 to February 2013 era. I think it was a tactical error to have Jay so front-and-center with media interviews and such when the "Paterno Report" was released that February.
Not that people began to "implicate" Jay in anything beginning in February 2013 --- but like it or not, Jay's father is a controversial figure and Jay became a public figure in said controversial discussion.
I think the better tactical decision would have been to let Scott take the lead regarding the media in February 2013, while Jay continued to focus on football and nothing but football.
Personally I don't think Jay Paterno was a great coach, but anyone who tries to claim the Sandusky scandal and the association of the Paterno name (especially immediately following the scandal) didn't negatively impact his ability to get a job is either a) delusional, b) extremely ignorant, or c) flat out lying. I suppose d) all of the above should be an option as well.
Maybe so. The problem is, Jay hasn't proven such. That's part of what the NCAA is asking for as regards today's filing. Proof of job applications.
Mich, I don't think Scott is the person to be front-and-center for PR purposes. Based on his own admission, he has a much different personality than Jay. Jay has done a great job as the front man for the Paterno cause. He is even-tempered, sticks to facts, hangs in there very well when people challenge him, speaks with authority.... Scott seems to take a different, more emotionally-charged approach.
The cynical side of me thinks you already know this and are stating what you did to stir the pot.
So despite noting above that Jay is a public figure in a national controversy, you still think the Freeh Report had no adverse impact on his chances for finding employment? He can't even seem to get an interview, let alone a job. And it has nothing to do with his coaching skills... at the very least, I'd think other coaches would want to pick his brain for how things were done at PSU to sustain decade after decade of success with honor.
Maybe he is so toxic nobody wants him. I never got that impression from anybody but I don't know. I am only speculating from what I seen Jay do as a coach, and he doesn't warrant a high end D1 job. I think Jay and Kenney fall into the same category. Kenney was never mentioned in anything. Is he toxic??? Maybe??? I don't know. Kenney didn't exactly light the coaching world on fire at PSU either. Bradley was in demand enough to land a DC spot at probably a highly ranked school this year. So we are all speculating. I'd be curious to see what Richt, meyer, etc. say about why they didn't hire jay(and I don't expect that to happen unless they are called to testify).
first, I was never a Jay fan... but i also never questioned his choices -- specifically, coming to and staying at penn state. Seems like a pretty solid career move for anyone.
that said, Daryll Clark went from an obscure QB to leading one of the more prolific psu offenses over a 2 year stretch (while winning quite a few personal honors)... and i believe the much vilified QB coach was Jay. Might be Jay had nothing to do with that progress, but if i were in his shoes I certainly would have made it a resume highlight and I'd feel quite comfortable going after a top 50 program. THEN.
But then things went south and he had (imo) few options. Stay loyal or cut and run and be viewed as a coward. He stayed and fought. But it's been years since he's had anything resembling success and it's doubtful anyone would want him in a major program. And while i'm sure he could be successful in a lower tier program, even they are going to be reluctant to take on the Paterno name.
imo, the kid is... well here, i'll let this guy say it...
that said, Daryll Clark went from an obscure QB to leading one of the more prolific psu offenses over a 2 year stretch (while winning quite a few personal honors)... and i believe the much vilified QB coach was Jay. Might be Jay had nothing to do with that progress, but if i were in his shoes I certainly would have made it a resume highlight and I'd feel quite comfortable going after a top 50 program. THEN.
But then things went south and he had (imo) few options. Stay loyal or cut and run and be viewed as a coward. He stayed and fought. But it's been years since he's had anything resembling success and it's doubtful anyone would want him in a major program. And while i'm sure he could be successful in a lower tier program, even they are going to be reluctant to take on the Paterno name.
imo, the kid is... well here, i'll let this guy say it...
Here's an op-ed piece published by USA Today in 2012, right in the middle of your asserted timeframe.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...2-07-12/Sandusky-Freeh-Jay-Paterno/56179974/1
Note that at the top of the article in bold USA Today (a national publication) is "OUR VIEW: A coverup and a failure of courage", and then take a look at the comments section. Then please try again to claim that "Jay was generally well-liked nationally". I have no doubt that I can easily find dozens of similar national articles expressing disdain of Jay Paterno (via discussion about Joe Paterno or otherwise).
In my opinion (and it is only that), any consideration of hiring Jay Paterno would have ended for most schools with the scandal, and his acumen would likely not have even been considered post-scandal. The fact that it took Bradley 3 years to land a DC spot at a comparable school, when he was widely considered one of the top DCs in cfb for years, I think proves that any coach associated with Penn State was toxic. Having the Paterno name would logically result in even more toxicity.
Or maybe top of mind because he knew people on staff and hoped they would put in a good word for him, and schools that had demonstrated a willingness to hire people from Joe's staff despite the taint, enhancing his chances of getting a job--as opposed to other schools who only saw Paterno on the resume.
May be the dumbest statement you've made to date. Jay has been nothing short of brilliant in font of the media from ESPN to Fox Sports.
OMG, seriously? Scott. Ok now you've just confirmed what many here have said about you.
Scott is probably responsible for one of the biggest gaffs and misquoted quotes Joe has ever stated. He's lousy at media relations and has very few people skills. Jay is 100x better suited to
talk to the press and media.
You're right --- Scott probably wouldn't have been the best. I think Scott could do it but his temperament isn't ideal.
But did it have to be Jay? There are three other Paterno children, there's Wick Sollers himself, there are other candidates to be "THE public spokesman" that Jay has become. Emphasis on the word "THE."
I also believe he applied for a job at ESPN and we know they will hire just about anyone.
Desmond Howard comes to mind.
As regards Bradley, why exactly does everyone disregard his stints at CBS Sports (2012 & 2013) and WVU (2014)? Do we even know if Bradley wanted to coach in 2012 -- did he want some time off himself after all those years coaching?
Why exactly isn't Bradley part of this lawsuit himself?
Now, I know, some people are going to be like "well, he was only calling low-level Patriot League Games between Colgate and Lehigh, who watches that junk?", but Bradley was hired by freaking CBS. One of the largest media companies in the world!!!!
The fact that they would take the "risk" of hiring him --- and hiring to commentate games that no more than 100 people watch anyway --- shows either (1) there was no risk, or (2) CBS was fully happy with the vetting job that they did.
I know Jay alleges ESPN refused to consider him for a job --- I wonder if that is also a case of Jay thinking that calling Sun Belt level games on ESPN3 (the equivalent of what Bradley did, covering low-level Patriot League games while learning his craft) were beneath him? Did Jay think he was deserving of covering B1G games right from the start?
As part of his job search process, does Jay have proof of communication with Bradley or Thomas or LJ? Something like "hey, I'm dipping my toes back into the water, how about we get lunch next time we're in the same place and chat the job market/what things are like there in Columbus/Morgantown/Athens?"
That would be a powerful piece of communication to go in combination w/ the letters released today. It would definitively show that Jay was serious about the job search, and not just writing off random letters 2 days before Christmas that would be useful if/when the NCAA asked for proof as regards his job search.
Did you seriously just try to compare someone being hired by a media outlet to cover Patriot League games to that of being hired as a coordinator or HC by a major cfb program? Nobody with half a brain would believe a media outlet would have any compunctions about hiring anyone. On second thought, I completely understand why you attempted to make the comparison. My only surprise is that you didn't try to use cookies to make your point, since you seem to have some bizarre fetish fascination with them in making your inane arguments.
Like Donald Trump being fired by NBC a few weeks ago?
Upon hiring Bradley, there was always a risk of a headline "CBS hires new football announcer, a man who also once enabled a pedophile."
Not exactly a favorable headline for CBS.
Of course, there were no such headlines. Because nobody made the leap from the Freeh Report to thinking that Tom Bradley was guilty. Of anything.
We were talking about someone being hired, not fired. That's a fun pattern with you - the actual context of something doesn't support your argument, so you make up a different context. (see: cookies) As for Trump getting fired, it took him making a statement about immigrants being rapists and murderers, among other things, and the public pressure that followed to get him fired. To the actual point at hand, are you going to tell us that CBS hiring Bradley to comment about some low-level Patriot league games is on the same level as a major cfb program hiring someone to be a coordinator or HC?
Do you realize that in saying "there was always a risk of a headline 'CBS hires new football announcer, a man who also once enabled a pedophile.'", you are making the leap from the Freeh report to the possibility (or as you put it, "risk") that Bradley may have been guilty? So which is it, was there a risk in hiring Bradley (or another Penn State coach) based on the Freeh report, or wasn't there? And if you're going to backpedal on Bradley, then who was the (at minimum) 1 other Penn State coach implicated in the Free report?
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Exactly how I feel noting Jay hasn't really been supportive of OB or Franklin (or PSU) - not that I blame him...
Hired/fired --- same difference. The key point was whether the entity employed the person.
That "risk" was 0.0000001%.
People who say "I read the Freeh Report, and based on reading such, I think Jay Paterno and/or Tom Bradley are pedophile enablers" are, from my anecdotal experience, about 1 in a few hundred.
And that 1 person in a few hundred is an idiot --- all you have to do to refute it is say "those two guys aren't even mentioned in the report! What a ridiculous conclusion."
BTW --- my poll concerning the word "some" is in progress. I plan on releasing the results at the end of the week.
Nothing amazes me anymore.....the fact that michnittlion (or whatever this d**che continues to pretend to be) is allowed to spew his hatred for everything PSU and Paterno related......tells me that BWI will allow anything to be published which is also why people like the people who put pictures of themselves wiping their a$$*s with the American flag on the Internet get away with their 'so-called' expressions of free speech!
There's a big difference between "hired" and "fired". In fact, they're opposites.
Actually I think the entire Paterno Family has been extremely supportive of JF. I don't think there is anything but mutual respect from everything I know. BOB was not warm and fuzzy with anyone. Regardless of what you think of his coaching, he clearly did not go out of his way to make friends. I don't know that I would blame Jay if there were some hard feeling there.
I believe the trustees plotted to frame Joe.....and if that is true, what would your emotions be if this were your father?
I believe the trustees plotted to frame Joe.....and if that is true, what would your emotions be if this were your father?
I think there was def. some friction between Jay and BOB but why do you say that he hasn't been supportive of Franklin? Just wondering because I don't think I've heard or read anything like that.
I do think Jay had some part in that Sports Illustrated "hit" piece.
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Well, I don't mean he's been negative, but I follow him on twitter and he rarely posts about supporting Penn State football. I do see him support other sports (like Women's Volleyball) though. With regard to Franklin, I'm not sure I've seen any comment from him.
ok, thanks. I don't play in the twitter world.
Not to hijack the thread but what did you think of the Batman vs Superman trailer
and the Suicide Squad trailer?
I thought both look good but Suicide Squad looks like it could be really awesome.
But I freaking hated the music they used for the trailer.
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Both were really cool, but I loved the Suicide Squad stuff - can't wait to see Harley and Mistah J on screen together (the song used was some spooky version of the Bee Gee's 'I Started a Joke'). The casting for this film is soooooo good!! And while I like Leto and have for a long time (since Fight Club) I wasn't sure he could pull this off (they're not straying too far from Ledger's version, which is probably smart but will be tough to pull off; fan reaction so far has been really positive). I think he kills it though. And Robbie is just PERFECTION as Harley.
Batman v Superman is going to be awesome, but I can't stand Eisenberg for Luthor. That's the only misstep so far. Batfleck could actually work - he's looked pretty good so far. Wonder Woman is the wildcard, but even she looked really great in the trailer.
Both were really cool, but I loved the Suicide Squad stuff - can't wait to see Harley and Mistah J on screen together (the song used was some spooky version of the Bee Gee's 'I Started a Joke'). The casting for this film is soooooo good!! And while I like Leto and have for a long time (since Fight Club) I wasn't sure he could pull this off (they're not straying too far from Ledger's version, which is probably smart but will be tough to pull off; fan reaction so far has been really positive). I think he kills it though. And Robbie is just PERFECTION as Harley.
Batman v Superman is going to be awesome, but I can't stand Eisenberg for Luthor. That's the only misstep so far. Batfleck could actually work - he's looked pretty good so far. Wonder Woman is the wildcard, but even she looked really great in the trailer.
I thought I recognized the song but thought that version stunk.
Yea I wasn't a fan of Eisenberg as Luthor but then I'm not a fan of Eisenberg anyway.
The only thing he's done that I liked was Zombie Land.
Frankly I thought the guy who played Lex in Smallville would have been a better choice
but he may be too old now.
You have to get there first, and based on some (plural that is) of the things you've been spewing, its not looking to good.
I hate to break this to you, but the level of evidence Jay needs to get to discovery and trial is very small, and he's meeting it. The NCAA can ask for stuff that would be needed at trial, but that doesn't mean Jay has to produce it now. In fact, oftentimes giving away your strategy before its required is just dumb. I'd love to play poker with some (either singular or plural) of you guys since you all believe playing with your cards in full view is the way its done.
