Jay Paterno's letter to Urban Meyer asking for a spot on his staff

[sluggo72]

Name people who have been hired as a Head Coach at a FBS-level school with:

(1) No prior experience as a Head Coach at any level.
(2) No prior experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator at any level.
(3) Wasn't already on the staff at said school in the year before.

I honestly cannot think of one person who fits (1), (2), or (3). Pat Fitzgerald and Kyle Flood are B1G coaches who fit both (1) and (2).

JAY PATERNO

THEN: Quarterbacks coach/passing game coordinator

as I mentioned , JVP was not big on handing out titles- hurt his guys when they looked for jobs

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I don't think him applying for the HC position at Uconn or JMU is "shocking" especially since he coached at JMU before.
Yea the Temple thing I had no idea about and not sure how much more evidence the courts would need than that alone.

Well, I wouldn't have hired him given his progression has been Recruiting Coordinator, WR's/TE's, and then QB coach. We all know he had some hand in our offense when he started 'coaching' from the booth, but it was never documented. So, his next job should be an O Coordinator somewhere comparable, or HC somewhere much lower. JMU maybe.

 

[sluggo72]

Well, I wouldn't have hired him given his progression has been Recruiting Coordinator, WR's/TE's, and then QB coach. We all know he had some hand in our offense when he started 'coaching' from the booth, but it was never documented. So, his next job should be an O Coordinator somewhere comparable, or HC somewhere much lower. JMU maybe.

and what's your point?? He shouldn't apply for HC because you feel he is not qualified?? I don't understand the problem with a guy applying to HC at some school. Le t the school determine their HC.

 

[jabba2]

Its hard to tell how serious Jay was applying for these jobs. Has a school ever approached Jay, and not the other way around? I would guess that a few non Power 5 schools would be interested.

 

[bjf1984]

 

[sluggo72]

Jay was never offensive coordinator at Penn State. Galen Hall had that title, not Jay.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/paterno_jay00.html

if you go by that Galen Hall wasnt offensive Coordinator either.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hall_galen00.html

 

[BBrown]

Are you going to admit you were wrong then in arguing that Jay Paterno as an offensive coordinator? This "admit you were wrong" argument goes both ways .........

Most of my criticisms around Jay center not around play-calling (that is on Galen and Joe), but around reports over the years that he wasn't well-respected in the locker room. The most infamous example, of course, being the Drew Astorino incident in 2011.

I'll admit he wasn't the "Sole" OC. I figure you'll agree with this since you like to parse words so much.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

and what's your point?? He shouldn't apply for HC because you feel he is not qualified?? I don't understand the problem with a guy applying to HC at some school. Le t the school determine their HC.

My point is he's aiming awful high for his qualifications. I guess there's nothing wrong with him applying to whatever job he wants. And on that note, I'm submitting my application to direct the next Star Wars movie. Will keep you posted.

 

[BBrown]

Well, I wouldn't have hired him given his progression has been Recruiting Coordinator, WR's/TE's, and then QB coach. We all know he had some hand in our offense when he started 'coaching' from the booth, but it was never documented. So, his next job should be an O Coordinator somewhere comparable, or HC somewhere much lower. JMU maybe.

And I agree with that.

 

[BBrown]

>>Most of my criticisms around Jay center not around play-calling (that is on Galen and Joe), but around reports over the years that he wasn't well-respected in the locker room. The most infamous example, of course, being the Drew Astorino incident in 2011.[/QUOTE]<<

and I def. agree with that except I thought it was Mauti so I was wrong.

 

[Raffycorn]

It would certainly be curious for Temple to tell Jay that they wouldn't hire a Penn State coach, considering their current head coach is a Penn State alum and State College native.

 

[psuro]

It would certainly be curious for Temple to tell Jay that they wouldn't hire a Penn State coach, considering their current head coach is a Penn State alum and State College native.

The guy before the guy before this one was also a Penn State kid.

 

[Raffycorn]

The guy before the guy before this one was also a Penn State kid.

A Penn State grad and on staff, to boot! I don't believe Rhule ever was a coach on the PSU staff.

 

[fasttracker]

Ding ding ding ding ding.

It just is what it is ------ much like the guy on the unemployment line who needs to provide some proof he's applying for jobs and fakes something up, Jay knew the NCAA was going to be asking for documentation of his claims. So he writes up letters to the first 3 schools he can think of. Those 3 schools were apparently top-of-mind because of the presence of his one-time colleagues.

who is the former stater with the bulldogs?

 

[bjf1984]

who is the former stater with the bulldogs?

The old MichNittWitt was stretching things....just a "bit".....to try to promote his agenda.

He was probably trying to make a conspiracy out of the fact that a couple of UGA's assistant strength coaches have PSU ties.

 

[PennStateNate]

I would be all for Jay Paterno coaching OHio State QB.

 

[ralpieE]

The latest troll argument is that there were no jobs open, or they were already filled. I'm calling BS on that.

 

[TheGLOV]

Because Glov acts and posts like he in in junior high. So he would definitely know.

Low blow psuro!

I got some of my best stuff directly from you buddy!



Closet Golden Domer cheap shot is all!

 

[sluggo72]

The latest troll argument is that there were no jobs open, or they were already filled. I'm calling BS on that.

He wrote in December, while there may not have been at that time, who knows what happens after that. The pros just start hiring guys at around that time, college movement would begin around their convention, and pick up after recruiting. You don't skate to puck, you skate to where the puck is going to be.

 

[LundyPSU]

The latest troll argument is that there were no jobs open, or they were already filled. I'm calling BS on that.

I believe Holgorsen has been Off Coord/QB Coach at WVU for a few years. Mike Bobo left UGA in Dec 2014, replaced by Brian Schottenheimer in Jan 2015.

 

[psuro]

You don't skate to puck, you skate to where the puck is going to be.

Thank you Rocket Richard!

 

[91Joe95]

I'll admit he wasn't the "Sole" OC. I figure you'll agree with this since you like to parse words so much.

If you really wanted to speak his language you would have used 'some' instead of 'sole.'

 

[LionFan96]

Name people who have been hired as a Head Coach at a FBS-level school with:

(1) No prior experience as a Head Coach at any level.
(2) No prior experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator at any level.
(3) Wasn't already on the staff at said school in the year before.

I honestly cannot think of one person who fits (1), (2), or (3). Pat Fitzgerald and Kyle Flood are B1G coaches who fit both (1) and (2).

In the last few years alone, here are some coaches who meet all 3 of your limiting criteria:
Tony Sanchez (UNLV)
John Bonamego (Central Michigan)
Jon Embree (Colorado)
P.J. Fleck (Western Michigan)

 

[michnittlion]

In the last few years alone, here are some coaches who meet all 3 of your limiting criteria:
Tony Sanchez (UNLV)
John Bonamego (Central Michigan)
Jon Embree (Colorado)
P.J. Fleck (Western Michigan)

Good finds -----

An interesting thing about Embree, who is the only BCS conference coach on that list (relevant given that Jay has primarily applied for Head Coach at BCS level schools): Embree was fired in 2012 after 2 highly unsuccessful years at Boulder. In fact, 2012 was the worst year in Colorado football history.

Embree's firing, of course, was why there was a HC job at Colorado for Jay to apply to in December 2012.

Perhaps Colorado didn't interview Jay because they learned their lesson about hiring such relatively inexperienced folk?

 

[bjf1984]

Good finds -----

An interesting thing about Embree, who is the only BCS conference coach on that list (relevant given that Jay has primarily applied for Head Coach at BCS level schools): Embree was fired in 2012 after 2 highly unsuccessful years at Boulder. In fact, 2012 was the worst year in Colorado football history.

Embree's firing, of course, was why there was a HC job at Colorado for Jay to apply to in December 2012.

Perhaps Colorado didn't interview Jay because they learned their lesson about hiring such relatively inexperienced folk?

 

[LionFan96]

Good finds -----

I honestly didn't think anyone could find some coaches (and by that I mean 1 coach) that matched my extremely limiting criteria, let alone 4 coaches in the last few years. So now that I've been proven wrong (again), I'm going to change my argument (again) to something else even less germane.

I fixed your post.

 

[Section118]

I don't like Jay as a coach. Some of the stuff just made me laugh. I'm not going to comment any more.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/07/jay_paterno_letter_to_ohio_sta.html

Hahahah what a loser Jay is. Apple didn't fall far from the tree here.

 

[michnittlion]

I fixed your post.

I said "good job" on your research, right? What more do you want? A cookie?

OK, cool, here's a chocolate chip cookie, which is the only cookie among my 10 cookies that is a chocolate chip cookie. Although, that means I cannot now say that I have some chocolate chip cookies among my 9 remaining cookies. :-(

Here's the thing: there are literally 1,000,000 possible reasons Jay didn't get an interview at Colorado. Maybe it's because of the Freeh Report. Maybe it's because of the reason I speculated (Jay being somewhat similar to Embree and Embree being a disaster himself as HC). Maybe it's because the Colorado AD has a pathological hatred of people named "Jay". Maybe it's because the Colorado AD wasn't impressed that Jay hadn't coached anywhere beyond Penn State over the previous 17 years.

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Jay claims it's because of the Freeh Report and Consent Decree. Fair enough --- but if he wants to win his lawsuit, he's gotta provide some tangible proof of such. (based on Jay's court filings, the Temple comments seem the most promising lead for "tangible proof")

 

[bjf1984]

I said "good job" on your research, right? What more do you want? A cookie?

OK, cool, here's a chocolate chip cookie, which is the only cookie among my 10 cookies that is a chocolate chip cookie. Although, that means I cannot now say that I have some chocolate chip cookies among my 9 remaining cookies. :-(

Here's the thing: there are literally 1,000,000 possible reasons Jay didn't get an interview at Colorado. Maybe it's because of the Freeh Report. Maybe it's because of the reason I speculated (Jay being somewhat similar to Embree and Embree being a disaster himself as HC). Maybe it's because the Colorado AD has a pathological hatred of people named "Jay". Maybe it's because the Colorado AD wasn't impressed that Jay hadn't coached anywhere beyond Penn State over the previous 17 years.

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Jay claims it's because of the Freeh Report and Consent Decree. Fair enough --- but if he wants to win his lawsuit, he's gotta provide some tangible proof of such. (based on Jay's court filings, the Temple comments seem the most promising lead for "tangible proof")

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Here's the thing: there are literally 1,000,000 possible reasons Jay didn't get an interview at Colorado.

Did Jay seriously apply to be the HC at Colorado? There is actually only one reason he didn't get that interview - he had no business being anywhere near the short list for it.

 

[psuro]

But that is the issue - even if he was not really a candidate, that does not preclude him from applying.

When Wisconsin posted their HC position after the last guy left, they got thousands of applications from all sorts of people - 99.99% of whom had no experience coaching D-1 football. But, that does not preclude them from applying for a job.

It's like any other job where there are more applicants than positions available.

 

[Raffycorn]

But that is the issue - even if he was not really a candidate, that does not preclude him from applying.

When Wisconsin posted their HC position after the last guy left, they got thousands of applications from all sorts of people - 99.99% of whom had no experience coaching D-1 football. But, that does not preclude them from applying for a job.

It's like any other job where there are more applicants than positions available.

Of course it doesn't preclude them from applying. But I'd have an identical problem if those people filed a lawsuit when they weren't hired, too.

 

[psuro]

Of course it doesn't preclude them from applying. But I'd have an identical problem if those people filed a lawsuit when they weren't hired, too.

If that is what you think is happening here, then there is no help for you.

 

[CDW3333]

In the last few years alone, here are some coaches who meet all 3 of your limiting criteria:
Tony Sanchez (UNLV)
John Bonamego (Central Michigan)
Jon Embree (Colorado)
P.J. Fleck (Western Michigan)

Sanchez was a high school head coach (note: it says at any level) for ten years, Bonamego hadn't been an OC or DC but he had been a special teams coordinator in the NFL for fourteen years, Embry had been an assistant head coach at UCLA, and Fleck was named offensive coordinator at Northern Illinois and held the job for a day before deciding to take a job as receivers coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

 

[michnittlion]

As regards Jay Paterno and Colorado ......... here's a link to an article where it says that then-Colorado AD Mike Bohn was looking for someone with head coaching experience to fill the open position.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22161500/colorado-hire-san-jose-state-football-coach-mike

Relevant quote: "Bohn had set a requirement of head coaching experience, and Jones has been in that position for six years, compared with three for MacIntyre."

Like it or not --- that disqualified Jay. Not the Consent Decree. The NCAA will likely be able to easily swat away the Consent Decree claims Jay is making, at least as regards Colorado.

 

[kgilbert78]

Maybe he is so toxic nobody wants him. I never got that impression from anybody but I don't know. I am only speculating from what I seen Jay do as a coach, and he doesn't warrant a high end D1 job. I think Jay and Kenney fall into the same category. Kenney was never mentioned in anything. Is he toxic??? Maybe??? I don't know. Kenney didn't exactly light the coaching world on fire at PSU either. Bradley was in demand enough to land a DC spot at probably a highly ranked school this year. So we are all speculating. I'd be curious to see what Richt, meyer, etc. say about why they didn't hire jay(and I don't expect that to happen unless they are called to testify).

Took him 3+ years though. That's a long time for a guy with Bradley's credentials.

 

[BBrown]

Took him 3+ years though. That's a long time for a guy with Bradley's credentials.

and if IIRC the president of UCLA would not approve of Bradley's hire the first time stating something like it was "too soon".

 

[bjf1984]

As regards Jay Paterno and Colorado ......... here's a link to an article where it says that then-Colorado AD Mike Bohn was looking for someone with head coaching experience to fill the open position.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22161500/colorado-hire-san-jose-state-football-coach-mike

Relevant quote: "Bohn had set a requirement of head coaching experience, and Jones has been in that position for six years, compared with three for MacIntyre."

Like it or not --- that disqualified Jay. Not the Consent Decree. The NCAA will likely be able to easily swat away the Consent Decree claims Jay is making, at least as regards Colorado.