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Journeymen Collegiate Duals - Dec 21-22

The Levi-KOT matchup was an instant classic that is understandably detracting from PSU’s utter dominance on the day and the further development of what could very well be the greatest college wrestling team of all-time.

Once again, we are truly spoiled as fans. Gratitude remains paramount.

WE ARE!!!
 
This is a great pull that shows they could have given 3. However, I said at the time and still believe that was one of the worst calls in ncaa finals history.
I agree—as much as I wanted Levi to win yesterday, and I wanted to feel like he was hosed at the end, the dispassionate wrestling fan in me believes McKenna was royally hosed.
 
Detractors gotta detract, but even they can’t help but love Beau and his gregarious personality. We do it with full knowledge that his matches will not only test emotional limits, but blood pressure/heart-med prescription refills. Bottom line, his style both tortures and excites. And whatever the wrestling gods have in store for this marvelous young man, let’s enjoy his love-of-life mentality while he’s here.
 
Classic case of Penn State Pessimism: we go 29-1, only loss to a 2x champ in OT on a controversial call, and yet ...

Every silver lining must have a cloud.
I can't see the silver lining for all the clouds.

Did anyone notice that our total team points per match decreased over the course of the day? At the current rate, we will be losing matches in B1Gs by February. I charted it right here...

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Wow, look at the still clips from Pyles and remember that this was sudden victory and the second he established control, a takedown should have been called. I'm fine with how it played out, but Missouri/O'Toole certainly would have had nothing to bitch about had they given the takedown and the win to Levi. I have to agree with Pyles that if anything, it looks a bit more like a takedown in the still frames than it did in "real life", but they did have the benefit of replay, slow motion and still frame. It will just make him hungrier I'm guessing. Great showing by PSU in general.
This is what I said, either way it was called it would have not been over turned. I really believe that.
 
This has been all over twitter, but I haven’t seen it here yet. Pretty crazy how similar the position was. If anything, Levi had legs in more. Won Yianni a title. Also, the rule change last year was only about rear standing. So it came down to refs interpretation of reaction time.

Clearly not. In fact, I think TanTom should raise a banner for McKenna. LOL.
 
The Levi/KOT ending reminded me very much of the scramble that ended the Mendes/Bartlett bout at Nationals this year. Could have gone either way at times.
 
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Did anyone else see how much McHenry looked like SVN, with his headgear on, bouncing up and down, waiting for his "extra" bout to begin.
I thought gee, SVN must have asked for anther match as he loves it so much out there, and hadnt had much mat time in his 3 bouts.
McHenry was fun to watch.
What is the story behind that match? They made it seem like McHenry was going to be riding into the sunset after the bout. Not sure why but that was the impression I got. He was electric and had the entire team watching and cheering.
 
The biggest upset of the weekend is that multiple people tweeted pics of the Yianni-McKenna match and Tan Tom wasn't one of them.
Never going to happen if any part of the posting involves anything that can be seen as supporting the PSU point. If O'Toole had been the one slipping a leg in and Levi had continued through the sequence to a winning call Tom would have burned twitter to the ground showing us that sequence.
 
Did anyone else see how much McHenry looked like SVN, with his headgear on, bouncing up and down, waiting for his "extra" bout to begin.
I thought gee, SVN must have asked for anther match as he loves it so much out there, and hadnt had much mat time in his 3 bouts.
McHenry was fun to watch.
Regarding the top starting position of his opponent that McHenry was so upset about, I have never seen the top wrestler start in that position. I am going to have to do some research on the rules there. EDIT: From the NCAA rules: The offensive wrestler shall be on the right or left side of the opponent with at least one knee on the mat to the outside of the near leg, not touching the defensive wrestler. A knee or foot may be placed in back of the defensive wrestler’s feet, not touching the defensive wrestler. The head shall be placed on or above the midline of the opponent’s back.

I re-watched the match. His opponent was trying to gain an advantage by placing his down leg up against McHenry's leg, in violation of the rules. It was obvious McHenry was not only frustrated with this, but also that his opponent kept crowding him (not backing out a bit for a re-set) after the official stepped in to talk to the top wrestler. Also, it was pretty funny watching Cael's lack of reaction to McHenry pushing his opponent away from him when his opponent kept crowding him.
 
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I agree. Nothing about that sequence shows control for Yianni.
I think it’s very telling that he completely bails on the position as soon as the td is given. If he tries to hang on, McKenna has a good chance to pop out the back like KOT.

If you can’t clear the underhook, you’re not staying on top for long, even if you get the far boot in. That position should not be treated like the much more common seatbelt step over. The defensive wrestler maintaining an underhook is so much stronger than only having a whizzer (which is why you rarely see guys attempt one vs the other which happens all the time).
 
I agree. Nothing about that sequence shows control for Yianni.
He wasn’t and I think the rules have changed since then and today you need to show control. Also in todays rules Max Dean wouldn’t have given up the takedown in overtime against Rider
 
He wasn’t and I think the rules have changed since then and today you need to show control. Also in todays rules Max Dean wouldn’t have given up the takedown in overtime against Rider
Ya, I was happy when the NCAA did away with the rear standing hand touch rule.

 
Thank you. At any time in the match, that is building riding points. That is the epitome of control.
Building riding points does not in any way determine if you are in control from neutral. If you start on top and end up in a single leg position you’re still accumulating riding time but that’s not control when starting from neutral.
I would’ve loved for them to give Levi 3 but think the right call was made, just not quite control.
 
I can't believe we're still complaining about Beau Bartlett in 2024. I can't think of a finer young man to represent the PSU wrestling team. Imagine how spoiled this fanbase must be when an 83-18 career record and a likely 3X AA is considered 'average'. 33 of those 83 wins were of the bonus variety, which is a 40% clip. We should all be so ordinary.

Beau also has earned bonus in 6 of his 9 bouts this season, including a major and a pin yesterday, and scored 2 falls in the NCAA tournament last season. But no need to allow facts to spoil the narrative.
I sat beside a 10 year old kid and his Dad from Columbus this weekend in Nashville. The kids favorite wrestler is Beau Bartlett. Why? Because Beau was glad to sign an autograph for a 9 year old kid last year. Between matches, I went out to my car and got my very lightly used 2024 National Champ soft top and gave it to the kid. We now have got a new Rep” in Columbus. I’ve met Beau a few times at various socials and the guy is electric. He lights up any room that he enters. He will carry that spirit where ever he goes for the rest of his life.
 
Watching Luke’s matches on YouTube, he’s doing a lot of the things that BB did his first year or two, that drove a lot of us crazy.

During his Mizzou match, there were a couple of times where his freestyle background was coming out. He was trying to roll Walker through and get exposure before securing the actual TD. Did it at least twice during the opening scramble sequence.
 
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He wasn’t and I think the rules have changed since then and today you need to show control. Also in todays rules Max Dean wouldn’t have given up the takedown in overtime against Rider
I don’t believe the rules have changed irt that Yianni 2019 position.

Reaction time was then and is now supposed to be awarded there, with rear standing- hand touch changing since 2019..
 
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Pussies forfeiting to MM twice today. And both teams have top 20 wrestlers at the weight
Missouri's 165 got hurt in his previous match and was on the mat not moving for a while. To me it looked like they should have taken him straight to the hospital and they may have. Not sure that Missouri even had a backup at the weight present to throw to the wolves. I certainly would not have thrown a poor 157 lber against MM.
 
If any of you are in the business of selling tape wholesale, there is an opportunity in Little Rock to make some money. Almost every Little Rock wrestler had their wrists taped up to include around the bottom of their thumbs and some part of their hands. It was too prevalent to think that they don't see some advantage in doing it. It looks like they were ready to put their boxing gloves on to join the Rutgres fight club.
 
Watching Luke’s matches on YouTube, he’s doing a lot of the things that BB did his first year or two, that drove a lot of us crazy.

During his Mizzou match, there were a couple of times where his freestyle background was coming out. He was trying to roll Walker through and get exposure before securing the actual TD. Did it at least twice during the opening scramble sequence.
Oh. He also had a lace locked up at one point and then realized where he was.

If the Missouri coaches had been really on it they might’ve thrown a brick for a potential locked hands call.
 
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How's everyone making out with their Rokfin refunds?

I presume that you're being sarcastic, but I was pissed and I did in fact request a refund immediately. I looked around on the page and in the FAQ section and it appears that they suggest you request a refund via sending an email to their support page. I did so immediately and surprise, surprise, haven't gotten a refund or a response yet. ;)
 
If any of you are in the business of selling tape wholesale, there is an opportunity in Little Rock to make some money. Almost every Little Rock wrestler had their wrists taped up to include around the bottom of their thumbs and some part of their hands. It was too prevalent to think that they don't see some advantage in doing it. It looks like they were ready to put their boxing gloves on to join the Rutgres fight club.

I noticed that too and wondered if anyone else had seen it. Anyone in the know want to guess what the benefit may be (at least from their perspective). On the one hand, nobody's tying up your fingers, but on the other hand, there are times that dexterity is called for in a wrestling match and I can't imagine that it's not distracting with all of that tape.
 
Missouri's 165 got hurt in his previous match and was on the mat not moving for a while. To me it looked like they should have taken him straight to the hospital and they may have. Not sure that Missouri even had a backup at the weight present to throw to the wolves. I certainly would not have thrown a poor 157 lber against MM.
Yeah..I apologize for that comment. At the time, I was upset because Binghamton ducked him and didn’t put out a healthy wrestler. . Then I saw Mizzou do it and didn’t know the kid got hurt the previous match.

Just silly to me when teams would rather FF when they have a healthy guy there
 
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