Julian Fleming

[marshall23]

In the last four years, PSU has/will spend SIXTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS renovating Lasch Building.

10 Million MORE than Clemson spent to build their Taj Mahal.

Now, maybe 1/2 of the PSU money will find its way into the graft accounts FBO Dambly Inc....... but, even at that, the idea the CJF (who makes, what, 6-7 Million per year himself) doesn’t get enough f-ing money is dumber than a bat of wet rats.
It’s f^cking obscene.

Franklin's compensation.....while you may consider it obscene.....isn't anymore than he would get on the open market.
I have not seen PSU assistant coaches on any list of the highest paid....perhaps you have information that I do not. I don't think CJF wants to lose staff over money alone anymore.
I'm not an expert on other program's and their facilities.....I know that CJF has expressed a need to keep updating. I would urge you to consider my quote, which I believe was "SHOULD he continue to pound his head against the wall...." Which was made in reference to "stresses of long term relationships...." and what I see as "potential" cracks in the marriage down the road.

 

[Golic55]

Highly unusual-
Recently, Fleming announced on Twitter that he is considering five schools: Georgia, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State and Penn State. Fleming said Friday that he will announce his decision May 31 with a video on Twitter.

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The process, once entertaining, has grown grueling, Fleming said. After a game last fall, Fleming awoke at 2:30 a.m. to find 70 text messages on his phone. Coaches continue to pursue him, and likely will until he signs his Letter of Intent. Even adults at Southern Columbia can’t help themselves.

“I go to school, and some of my teachers ask me where I’m going to school,” Fleming said. “I’m like, ‘Listen, I’m in school. I’m trying to learn, get my education here, and they’re asking me where I’m going to school? I’m trying to focus. It’s a distraction, to be honest.’”

So Fleming said, “That’s enough” and set an announcement date. He said that will free him to enjoy his senior season, which begins with an ESPN game Aug. 25 against Hammond High, a South Carolina team that won the state’s Class 3A title last year.

“The time away from it is just so nice and peaceful,” Fleming said. "It took me a while, because I was caught up in recruiting. I honestly thought I’d wait until December [to announce], but it was stressful on me and my family. I said, 'You know what? I just need to make a decision and get it over with.’

“I love going on these visits, but I’ve got to grow up. I’ve got to crunch. I’ve got to find what I really want in a school and what school really needs me. We’re ready to go.”

 

[BobPSU92]

I have an image of a tweet in about five years with two pictures. One will show fleming in Tosu garb standing with his four Heisman Trophies. The other will show the smoldering ash of what was Beaver Stadium after Penn State was forced to burn it down to the ground due to unprecedented failures on the field and a lack of fan support.



(Of course, Penn State will burn the Paterno Library down to the ground first. )

 

[marshall23]

I don’t know Franklin’s future. And I hope he is at PSU for a very long, very successful run.

But any thought that he - or the football program - “doesn’t get enough money” is f^cking insane.

And if some other institution is 10% MORE f^cking retarded than PSU, that doesn’t make it any less insane.

There is one problem............you aren't making the calls at
"other institutions." I retired from coaching in 1986 and my coaching stipend was $5000. The entire school district (especially the gals in the business office) thought that was f^cking insane! LOL

 

[BobPSU92]

There is one problem............you aren't making the calls at
"other institutions." I retired from coaching in 1986 and my coaching stipend was $5000. The entire school district (especially the gals in the business office) thought that was f^cking insane! LOL

That was a lot of money just to tell kids "Catch the ball!", "Run that way!", "Tackle him!", "Everyone go deep!", etc.

 

[marshall23]

That was a lot of money just to tell kids "Catch the ball!", "Run that way!", "Tackle him!", "Everyone go deep!", etc.

90% of the community doesn't know or care that you have a football team (contrary to what we want to believe) and the other 10% could have certainly done a better job than I did.....all you had to do was ask....we'll in many cases there was no need to ask.

 

[BobPSU92]

90% of the community doesn't know or care that you have a football team (contrary to what we want to believe) and the other 10% could have certainly done a better job than I did.....all you had to do was ask....we'll in many cases there was no need to ask.

Imagine if there had been message boards when you were coaching. You would have been just like Franklin on Saturdays.

 

[marshall23]

That was a lot of money just to tell kids "Catch the ball!", "Run that way!", "Tackle him!", "Everyone go deep!", etc.

Yes, but you need expertise to say...."walk it off...." "take a blow...." Listen up" etc

 

[LionJim]

Yes, but you need expertise to say...."walk it off...." "take a blow...." Listen up" etc

“Quit ogling the cheerleaders.”

 

[marshall23]

Imagine if there had been message boards when you were coaching. You would have been just like Franklin on Saturdays.

In those days parents would write letters (under assumed names) some to school board members and others to local newspapers. They all got their messages out.

 

[Golic55]

I don’t know Franklin’s future. And I hope he is at PSU for a very long, very successful run.

But any thought that he - or the football program - “doesn’t get enough money” is f^cking insane.

And if some other institution is 10% MORE f^cking retarded than PSU, that doesn’t make it any less insane.

In addition and other stuff
Earlier this spring, Fleming announced a top-six schools list that included Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, Penn State and Oregon. But the Ducks never received a visit, and now his choice comes down to a final five schools, each one that he’s visited multiple times in the course of his now two-year long recruitment.

Ohio State last hosted Fleming for a weekend in March, and he has suggested on multiple occasions that his best relationships on the recruiting trail are the ones with the Buckeyes, receivers coach Brian Hartline and head coach Ryan Day. He told Lettermen Row following that visit he was expecting to take his recruitment into the fall and had begun looking at an official visit date in Columbus during the season.

“Right now we’re setting up some official visits, trying to set them in stone,” Fleming said. “I’ll probably take an official visit to Ohio State for the Penn State game.”

Only one of those visits wound up happening so far. He went to Alabama in mid-April, and he also is expected to visit Georgia at the end of May. The question from here is whether or not that visit happens unless he’s picking Georgia. It seems unlikely he’d be heading to Athens on the same weekend he makes a college choice in the favor of another school.

The 247Sports.com crystal ball was still heavily slanted towards Penn State until Friday night, but Ohio State and Clemson have been considered the favorites in this recruitment for the last few months now. My pick has been on the Buckeyes since November, but we’ll know the final answer on May 31.

 

[marshall23]

Whaa?

When FBS college coaches are being paid $5,000...... and Universities aren’t spending $100,000,000 building Romper Rooms for football programs..... I’ll see if I can revisit your post and find some relevancy


Until then ........ ???

Jeez, I didn't think that was difficult at all. You think Franklin and football gets more than enough money........
That's your opinion and its fine.
You are not making the decisions related to what is being spent to pay Franklin or improve PSU Football Facilities or facilities at other institutions.
Certainly no more than the people who thought I was vastly overpaid 33 years ago.....they simply were not the ones making the decisions.

 

[Thomas1945]

There is one problem............you aren't making the calls at
"other institutions." I retired from coaching in 1986 and my coaching stipend was $5000. The entire school district (especially the gals in the business office) thought that was f^cking insane! LOL

F^cking insane, I’ll tell you about f^cking insane. F^cking insane is /:;()$&/,?!’——————————————————————————- well I guess I forgot. But I know I love bacon.

 

[marshall23]

F^cking insane, I’ll tell you about f^cking insane. F^cking insane is /:;()$&/,?!’——————————————————————————- well I guess I forgot. But I know I love bacon.

This conversation brings back long suppressed memories At the end of my coaching career....I was also the district athletic director. So I collected my teaching salary, my coaching stipend and another for the duties as AD. When I would go to pick up my check, on occasion, one of the nice ladies in the business office would say something like," how do you find the time to do all this?" Like I was stealing district funds.....LOL. All three didn't total 40k.

 

[tboyer]

I heard from a good source that he already committed to the Bucknuts. I believe this is the result of hiring Corley as the receivers coach. This was a monumental mistake by Franklin. Fleming really likes Brian Hartline. I can't believe we cannot sign the best players in our own state.

It was also probably a mistake to sign Shorter, Hamler, Dotson, George and Dunmore, who all have the same kind of potential as Fleming.

Clearly this is the end of Penn State football as we know it -- I'm sure nobody's going to catch a pass for the next several seasons with this dreadful lack of talent at wideout.

 

[bison13]

This conversation brings back long suppressed memories At the end of my coaching career....I was also the district athletic director. So I collected my teaching salary, my coaching stipend and another for the duties as AD. When I would go to pick up my check, on occasion, one of the nice ladies in the business office would say something like," how do you find the time to do all this?" Like I was stealing district funds.....LOL. All three didn't total 40k.

So true and thank you for putting so much time in to helping your local youth. I believe it was our junior high football coach who when the school board was questioning athletic stipends, went to their meeting and presented the total hours spent in that calendar year between practice, games, travel, weight room, summer conditioning and camps, equipment and uniform cleaning, etc. that he was being paid something like 38 cents an hour.

Sad part is, the three women who wanted to get rid of HS athletics on the board, thought that justified their position...

 

[Thomas1945]

This conversation brings back long suppressed memories At the end of my coaching career....I was also the district athletic director. So I collected my teaching salary, my coaching stipend and another for the duties as AD. When I would go to pick up my check, on occasion, one of the nice ladies in the business office would say something like," how do you find the time to do all this?" Like I was stealing district funds.....LOL. All three didn't total 40k.

You were way overpaid! It’s greedy bastards like you that ruin the purity and sanctity of amateur athletics.

 

[marshall23]

So true and thank you for putting so much time in to helping your local youth. I believe it was our junior high football coach who when the school board was questioning athletic stipends, went to their meeting and presented the total hours spent in that calendar year between practice, games, travel, weight room, summer conditioning and camps, equipment and uniform cleaning, etc. that he was being paid something like 38 cents an hour.

Sad part is, the three women who wanted to get rid of HS athletics on the board, thought that justified their position...

When I became HC (1974) I ran a summer weight/conditioning program. I had morning, afternoon and evening hours.....5 days a week.
Later, as the program began to progress we had morning and evening sessions 5 days a week.
My final years we did mornings 5 days per week and evenings 3 times per week. I never got a cent for any of that time. I think this was typical of the kind of commitment HS coaches made at that time and understood it was the price to be paid, so to speak. Off season programs (aside from the obvious physical benefits) have the added benefit of interacting with your athletes one on one and in a different setting. I viewed it as an opportunity to build relationships that I might need to "strain" during the season.

 

[marshall23]

You were way overpaid! It’s greedy bastards like you that ruin the purity and sanctity of amateur athletics.

It allowed me to live in "the lap of luxury" and shower my wife and boys with untold riches.

 

[marshall23]

It was also probably a mistake to sign Shorter, Hamler, Dotson, George and Dunmore, who all have the same kind of potential as Fleming.

Clearly this is the end of Penn State football as we know it -- I'm sure nobody's going to catch a pass for the next several seasons with this dreadful lack of talent at wideout.

It is now apparent that all of their signings were nothing but woefully inadequate insurance against the failure to sign Fleming.

 

[BobPSU92]

Yes, but you need expertise to say...."walk it off...." "take a blow...." Listen up" etc

Oh. I hadn't thought of that.

 

[LionJim]

It is now apparent that all of their signings were nothing but woefully inadequate insurance against the failure to sign Fleming.

Winner. On this note, I'm quitting this thread. It was nice hearing of your coaching experiences, though.

 

[BobPSU92]

Winner. On this note, I'm quitting this thread. It was nice hearing of your coaching experiences, though.

Wait. Don’t go. We haven’t beaten the hope out of you yet.

 

[MJG-90]

Is that kinda’ like dividing by zero?

More like dividing by infinity if we are talking about the college football IQ of the OP.

 

[AWS1022]

I know Joe got no one in his later years, but everyone accepted it because of his tenure. I follow Penn State football 365 days a year, but don't post much. I know we have a lot of talent, maybe more than ever. However, if we can't beat Michigan, Ohio State, and Michigan State every 2 of 3 games, we aren't anywhere. Franklin has to prove to all of us that he can win big games. That has not happened yet. I still believe the offensive line will be our biggest weakness this year.

Franklin’s already proven enough to me to know he’s the guy.

 

[AWS1022]

D

Don't be stupid. No coach promises playing time. You'd end up with a locker room filled with 65 broken promises. Good Lord, you fan boys believe anything.

Not if a coach doesn’t make that promise to 65 guys, but he does make it to the top recruits he wants to make sure he gets.

 

[wolve1972]

dream on.........Franklin is here for a long time.....unless he decides to leave for USC or another opportunity.

Agree, PSU has found their long term coach. Coach Franklin has PSU going in the right direction and has done a very good job. If anybody takes the USC HC job, it will be Urban Meyer.

Of course USC would bend over backwards at a chance for Jim. His success in the NFL says it all. Super Bowl coach, NFC championships...….. Of course he's all Blue and a Michigan Man will lead the Wolverines for many years

 

[marshall23]

Agree, PSU has found their long term coach. Coach Franklin has PSU going in the right direction and has done a very good job. If anybody takes the USC HC job, it will be Urban Meyer.

Of course USC would bend over backwards at a chance for Jim. His success in the NFL says it all. Super Bowl coach, NFC championships...….. Of course he's all Blue and a Michigan Man will lead the Wolverines for many years

Urbs will be there.....but there is that possibility that the cyst is real. If so, I think he is done.

 

[MJG-90]

Of course USC would bend over backwards at a chance for Jim. His success in the NFL says it all. Super Bowl coach, NFC championships...….. Of course he's all Blue and a Michigan Man will lead the Wolverines for many years

His NFL success had better say it all because his success at Michigan doesn't say a damned thing.

 

[bwifan]

Agree, PSU has found their long term coach. Coach Franklin has PSU going in the right direction and has done a very good job. If anybody takes the USC HC job, it will be Urban Meyer.

Of course USC would bend over backwards at a chance for Jim. His success in the NFL says it all. Super Bowl coach, NFC championships...….. Of course he's all Blue and a Michigan Man will lead the Wolverines for many years

Going to be interesting to see if the Jimsters stays at Michie and how long. I think it still rubs him in a bad way his brother has a super bowl ring and he does not. I think deep down inside he really wants another crack at the super bowl. Whether he listens and acts on those impulses is another matter.

 

[thefrep]

We need to continue building up our studs in the front 7, more Parsons and Oweh types. Fleming and Garret Wilson are going to be problematic matchups if Justin Fields lives up to his potential. If we're finally going to compete with OSU we need to win in the trenches

 

[bwifan]

Well I think Parsons just let Fleming know his thoughts by tweeting "BEST PLAYERS IN PA SHOULD STAY IN PA!!!"

 

[Thomas1945]

Agree, PSU has found their long term coach. Coach Franklin has PSU going in the right direction and has done a very good job. If anybody takes the USC HC job, it will be Urban Meyer.

Of course USC would bend over backwards at a chance for Jim. His success in the NFL says it all. Super Bowl coach, NFC championships...….. Of course he's all Blue and a Michigan Man will lead the Wolverines for many years

You are the best, God you are hilarious. If a long lost tribe of indigenous people were found in New Guinea somehow you would figure a way to give Hairball the credit for the discovery.

 

[Lion8286]

Of course USC would bend over backwards at a chance for Jim.

Hasn't USC suffered enough??

 

[PearlSUJam]

His success in the NFL says it all. Super Bowl coach, NFC championships

B1G

Going to be interesting to see if the Jimsters stays at Michie and how long. I think it still rubs him in a bad way his brother has a super bowl ring and he does not. I think deep down inside he really wants another crack at the super bowl. Whether he listens and acts on those impulses is another matter.

His NFL players hated him so much they were retiring at a young age.

And then there was this:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...baugh-didnt-know-what-he-was-doing-with-49ers

"Jim, I had a lot of respect for Jim when I was there – before I got to know him. I enjoyed my time there, but we didn't see eye-to-eye. I knew a little bit more about football than what they led on."

Jacobs continued: "Going somewhere where they don't have route conversions into certain coverages was just absurd. They're just running routes in the defense, getting people killed. Size and strength is what they had, and that's why they won. Let's be real. They had great assistant coaches, but Jim didn't know what he was doing. Jim had no idea. Jim is throwing slants into Cover-2 safeties, getting people hurt. That guy knew nothing, man."

 

[Doctori]

You guys really are a comedy show...thanks for the sh*t-eaten grin you've cursed me with!!!

 

[jschrantz]

There is probably no University in the P5 for whom the selection of an OC is more important.

Time will tell whether:
A) Jimmah will actually turn over the driver's seat to his OC (which he has a history of NOT doing)
and
B) Whether or not - if given the controls - Gattis will perform at a top level.


But, for sure, the answer to those two questions will be HUGE wrt the fortunes of the UMich football team.

The UMich offense, when Jimmah has been sticking his d^ck in, has been a hugely underperforming collection of talented - but ineffective - players..... running an offense straight out of "Football for Dummies... 1974 Edition"

We ran that 1974 version for 30 years

 

[GarrettFildman]

We need to continue building up our studs in the front 7, more Parsons and Oweh types. Fleming and Garret Wilson are going to be problematic matchups if Justin Fields lives up to his potential. If we're finally going to compete with OSU we need to win in the trenches

Fields is not a top college QB, nor will he be. If he does have success, it will be primarily as a runner more so than a passer. This is true of 4 of the last 5 Ohio S Qbs over the last decade:

Terrelle Pryor 2008-2010
Braxton Miller 2011-2012
J.T. Barrett 2014, '16-17
Cardale Jones 2015
Dwayne Haskins 2018

There will be a huge passing drop off for the buckeyes this year. It is basically a return to their mean. At this point, Fleming is going to wonder how he was hoodwinked into believing that Ohio St is the best choice to highlight his skillset. Hopefully he knows how to block. I also doubt that Fields is their starter in 2020.

What is interesting is that I think Penn St is moving to a considerably better passer this year with much less dual option. I think you'll see our WRs, particularly the young guns having tons of success this season. Last year was an aberration for PSU due to McSorley's injury affecting his accuracy. Our pass game was superior to Ohio St's other than last year. We lead the B1G in passing in 2016 and 2017.

 

[Mister Magoo]

Fields is not a top college QB, nor will he be. If he does have success, it will be primarily as a runner more so than a passer. This is true of 4 of the last 5 Ohio S Qbs over the last decade:

Terrelle Pryor 2008-2010
Braxton Miller 2011-2012
J.T. Barrett 2014, '16-17
Cardale Jones 2015
Dwayne Haskins 2018

There will be a huge passing drop off for the buckeyes this year. It is basically a return to their mean. At this point, Fleming is going to wonder how he was hoodwinked into believing that Ohio St is the best choice to highlight his skillset. Hopefully he knows how to block. I also doubt that Fields is their starter in 2020.

What is interesting is that I think Penn St is moving to a considerably better passer this year with much less dual option. I think you'll see our WRs, particularly the young guns having tons of success this season. Last year was an aberration for PSU due to McSorley's injury affecting his accuracy. Our pass game was superior to Ohio St's other than last year. We lead the B1G in passing in 2016 and 2017.

If he doesn’t want to play at PSU, I think he’s crazy for picking OSU over Clemson. Because of passing game situations

 

[christoph]

Well I think Parsons just let Fleming know his thoughts by tweeting "BEST PLAYERS IN PA SHOULD STAY IN PA!!!"

Little irony there that we won’t mention.