Switch the sides of the ball and all of the things being said about Day now were being asserted about Luke Fickel at one point. He was a “genius, up and coming head coach and they wouldn’t miss a beat because he’s an elite recruiter.” The problem with having a propaganda machine is that your fans believe every word you say until they don’t see the next Meyer. Then they fire up the torches and look for the pitchforks.
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Switch the sides of the ball and all of the things being said about Day now were being asserted about Luke Fickel at one point. He was a “genius, up and coming head coach and they wouldn’t miss a beat because he’s an elite recruiter.” The problem with having a propaganda machine is that your fans believe every word you say until they don’t see the next Meyer. Then they fire up the torches and look for the pitchforks.
I have no idea what went down with Martell, but obviously he wants to play and for some reason wasn't certain he'd play at OSU. We kinda did have this happen with Stevens -- the presumed starter decided to transfer. Probably because he wasn't going to be the starter. I'd assume the same about Martell. And maybe Martell also realized the offense would be different and would no longer be a fit for his skill set.
This would concern me. Possibly just a misunderstanding. But I'd be at least a little concerned if a 5 star QB was claiming our head coach lied to him.
I am not convinced. A coach may suggest that because of lack of depth or experience etc. at his school.....recruit x has a chance to see the field more or sooner than at school Y. But, no one is Guaranteeing playing time. Have you ever seen a player who flops say,"I'm leaving because Coach Jock Guaranteed me playing time?" If you and others believe this is a widespread practice.....that's fine. We just agree to disagree. PSU is not losing recruits because other schools are "Guaranteeing" playing time and CJF is not.
I hear his response will be to take his kids to Knoebel's.......any gestures he makes when he cruises past Southern will remain a secret.Since it seems as though Fleming is headed to Tosu, the real question now is how Franklin will deal with the latest barrage of OUTRAGE.from us (and people who look like us). The obviously implication being that Franklin, (a) is aware of our OUTRAGE.
Let's see how Franklin responds.
Even high school coaches must recruit in their hallways. If you have a vision, you need to be able to express it and sell it to students and their parents. CJF does it very well and he is very passionate about it and it sells very well with many parents. As an aside.....it has to go deeper than winning games and helping a player achieve his athletic dreams. Joe understood this and lived it...Success With Honor. When I retired at the school district where I worked for 37 years, the Superintendent of Schools, the Asst. Superintendent and 3 school board members were all former players of mine. Only one of them went on to play college football. I don't think any of them regretted their years of HS football, and in fact are very proud of the experience.
A source close to Southern Columbia told me its PSU or Clemson, we shall see
Please reread the post you quoted. We agree on this part. You don’t seem capable of separating the issues.
I don't believe college coaches "guarantee" playing time....period. I believe that money changing hands is much more prevalent. Again, my last word on this. Its okay if you and others think I'm wrong.
What time is this going down so I know to stay away
It seems to me that Fleming is playing this very close to the vest and that everywhere he goes he's respectfully affectionate toward each programs. Seems the beat writers view this each time as "leaning" toward the program. I really don't think we have a good read...it could be any one of the three programs.
Hartline was the only coach to show at his track meet the other week. I think it’s actually pretty obvious
I like the comedy. I hope you're right. The other one is back. I just hadn't been on enough lately to notice.
Martell gave an interview recently where he said that OSU and Day told him he should transfer.
Franklin has done a remarkable job recruiting given the mess he walked into when he took over, but you simply aren’t being objective if you consider losing Fleming to Ohio State to be anything but a total recruiting failure.
So much for “Dominate the State”...
So much for “Dominate the State”...
So go root for another school.....
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Really? Not sure if this is sarcasm.... but JF misses out on 1 recruit in PA and it is a total recruiting failure? Come on one would hope you know you are just not going to get every kid PSU wants. Some kids for a myriad of reasons will want to go to other schools. PSU is loaded at WR. This is one area where this is not a total recruiting failure.
Good lord. You simply aren't being realistic if you expect PSU to get every single kid it wants from PA.
Stop being a f#cking baby. We have a Top Ten class now. According to 247, we've had two straight classes in the Top 6 in the country. You are a moron if you think Franklin should be called a failure over one recruit. You suck as a fan.
[sigh] Franklin came in and said that would be the goal every year. It still is. I'm not so sure that missing on one guy (which has not happened in this case) even qualifies as not dominating the state.
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He should be counseling the PSU girlfriend and Fleming to make sure they get back together, obviously.
Some of you people really need to find yourselves a new hobby.
I don't recall seeing all this nonsense at 11W when Carman picked Clemson over OSU last year.
I don't recall seeing all this nonsense at 11W when Carman picked Clemson over OSU last year.
On Eleven Warriors, they were bashing the hell out of Carman. He was called everything in the book.
The behavior of the average osu fan is certainly not a standard I would hold myself to.
I haven't read ONE comment from a PSU fan bashing Fleming. Difference in class between the two fanbases. We just attack our coach.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...son-carman-chooses-clemson-over-ohio#comments
Buckloving 20 DEC 2017, 4:26 PM
He's a Kardashian and he was always going to do whatever would get him the most attention.
SilverHaven 20 DEC 2017, 3:46 PM
Respect his decision? Alright.
Respect his character? Forget it.
Hnyg8modonwelfare 20 DEC 2017, 11:31 AM
Not at all. #1 Class with no cancers like Parsons, Carman, and Jones. We need smart guys who love Ohio State and are team guys, not afraid to compete.
Ruby5 20 DEC 2017, 12:35 PM
Carman just didn't sit well with me. I don't know him but from what I have read he just seems to think he is the ****. That would be a cancer in the Buckeye locker room. My brother watched him play against Mason and said he was lazy and not that impressive. He said Carman walked on and off the field instead of running.
BornAndBredABuckeye 20 DEC 2017, 11:08 AM
Bye, Felicia
LouBuck35 20 DEC 2017, 11:19 AM
In that an OL recruit fancied himself larger than life, and then everyone thought the Shoe would crumble without him? Only difference is we don't know if he will flame out or not.
KBonay
MOD 20 DEC 2017, 12:02 PM
Nope. Just have a hard time watching everyone bash this kid. He never committed to Ohio State. He named Clemson his leader after his visit. He's said several times that he wanted to leave Ohio. So I am not surprised by his decision to pick someone, other than Ohio State. Disappointed, yes.
Fishleehooker 20 DEC 2017, 11:09 AM
False start and holding manifested into a human is what Jackson is.
Prolaps 20 DEC 2017, 11:10 AM
T R A I T O R
Symbolic47 20 DEC 2017, 11:10 AM
I'll get downvoted for this but I don't care. This kid is a primadonna of the highest order.
BAJ 20 DEC 2017, 11:11 AM
Good im glad, honestly in any picture that gets taken he just has this look of arrogance. Hes gonna find out real quick how big boy football works,
Hodge 20 DEC 2017, 11:12 AM
If he was truly undecided up till today, then by all means -- best of luck, Jackson.
But if he deliberately led the staff on just to make his recruitment "exciting" -- and, in the process, messed up our standing with some other lineman -- then he can kiss my ass.
Jaxbuckeye 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Addition by subtraction. Said long ago that I hated his attitude. He was so adamant about proving that he wasn't like everyone else. His attitude sucked from the beginning.
Bdbrown66 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Dude was a drama queen. Bye, Felicia.
Brunstar 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Best of luck but I have a feeling that Buckeye fans will look back on this in a couple of years and be thankful that the little drama queen went some where else.
Brutus865 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Bye. This kid is a head case
Tennbuckeye19 20 DEC 2017, 11:16 AM
I don't like it, but I get it. I know kids who picked teams other than OSU to root for growing up because OSU was all over the place all the time everywhere you went. Carman's been assumed to play at OSU for a long time and he took a different route. Probably didn't like that everyone just assumed he was gonna play for Urban. And with Clemson being one of the top programs in the country right now, he went with Dabo. We'll see how it goes.
MoneyMac 20 DEC 2017, 11:16 AM
I, for one, could not be happier I don't have to root for/defend this primadonna.
Actionstanleyjackson 20 DEC 2017, 11:16 AM
I have heard from several coaches that Carman was very lazy. Could have been even better if he worked.
BuckeyeNut 20 DEC 2017, 11:17 AM
Always felt he had an over-inflated view of his own self importance ...
Dillon G 20 DEC 2017, 11:19 AM
He has the same shitty wrong attitude as many traitors that go north due. No loyalty.
Lawver_5 20 DEC 2017, 11:30 AM
Man this is disappointing, but there is some serious saltiness in this thread. Everyone would be singing a much different tune if he picked the good guys. No need to take shots at a teenager. He made his college choice, he gets that right. Whether or not you appreciated the way he went about the recruiting process, he's still just a kid making the biggest choice of his life.
Eph97 20 DEC 2017, 12:11 PM
In the words of Les Miles, he didn't have the "chest" to be a Buckeye.
Urbanbuck 20 DEC 2017, 2:16 PM
Kid always came across as a dick, one of several that were almost in this class. I would think that a personality of that type would be a no-take just on the personality basis no matter the talent but whatever - coaches talk but they walk a twisted road.
Ohiopanda 20 DEC 2017, 3:20 PM
Never really liked this kid ever since he said he didn't want to play at Ohio State because people expected him to. Also has a huge ego.
GlassCityBuckeyes 20 DEC 2017, 4:15 PM
Bullet dodged. He's a diva and a locker room cancer
Slobberknocker 20 DEC 2017, 7:29 PM
Never liked the kid. His personality, attitude, what ever. If your as great as your rankings, an Ohio boy, growing up in the Great State of Ohio, the opportunity to star for The Ohio State Buckeyes, and play for a 3 time National Championship Head Coach, would be a no-brainer for a winner. But you throw that all away because your scared of the pressure, that's what a loser says. Guaranteed he will regret this. His name will be remembered for stiffing The Buckeyes. Good Riddance to you.
Ca114fire 20 DEC 2017, 7:34 PM
I'll take a 3 star with heart over a 5 star diva any day of the week
Bucknuthoffy7 20 DEC 2017, 8:23 PM
This huge Ohio kid with an ego the size of Texas always left me scratching my head with his comments. He never wanted to be a Buckeye and seemed to love the drama. I'm sure he'll continue to run his mouth at Clemson and it will get him in trouble with his coaches. he basically said "screw you" to the state of Ohio in the end. That's how he'll be remembered as he tries to blaze his own trail at Clemson.
Thedewman10 21 DEC 2017, 10:05 AM
I must say from the beginning with carman I just thought he would be somewhat of a bust. I don’t know if it’s attitude of superiority but I sense the Bucks are better off without him
UAGoldenbear84 22 DEC 2017, 8:57 AM
Best of luck...I hope at some point this kid learns humility and that there is ALWAYS someone, bigger, faster, stronger than you. I doubt he will ever learn humility...nice job mom and dad.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...son-carman-chooses-clemson-over-ohio#comments
Buckloving 20 DEC 2017, 4:26 PM
He's a Kardashian and he was always going to do whatever would get him the most attention.
SilverHaven 20 DEC 2017, 3:46 PM
Respect his decision? Alright.
Respect his character? Forget it.
Hnyg8modonwelfare 20 DEC 2017, 11:31 AM
Not at all. #1 Class with no cancers like Parsons, Carman, and Jones. We need smart guys who love Ohio State and are team guys, not afraid to compete.
Ruby5 20 DEC 2017, 12:35 PM
Carman just didn't sit well with me. I don't know him but from what I have read he just seems to think he is the ****. That would be a cancer in the Buckeye locker room. My brother watched him play against Mason and said he was lazy and not that impressive. He said Carman walked on and off the field instead of running.
BornAndBredABuckeye 20 DEC 2017, 11:08 AM
Bye, Felicia
LouBuck35 20 DEC 2017, 11:19 AM
In that an OL recruit fancied himself larger than life, and then everyone thought the Shoe would crumble without him? Only difference is we don't know if he will flame out or not.
KBonay
MOD 20 DEC 2017, 12:02 PM Nope. Just have a hard time watching everyone bash this kid. He never committed to Ohio State. He named Clemson his leader after his visit. He's said several times that he wanted to leave Ohio. So I am not surprised by his decision to pick someone, other than Ohio State. Disappointed, yes.
Fishleehooker 20 DEC 2017, 11:09 AM
False start and holding manifested into a human is what Jackson is.
Prolaps 20 DEC 2017, 11:10 AM
T R A I T O R
Symbolic47 20 DEC 2017, 11:10 AM
I'll get downvoted for this but I don't care. This kid is a primadonna of the highest order.
BAJ 20 DEC 2017, 11:11 AM
Good im glad, honestly in any picture that gets taken he just has this look of arrogance. Hes gonna find out real quick how big boy football works,
Hodge 20 DEC 2017, 11:12 AM
If he was truly undecided up till today, then by all means -- best of luck, Jackson.
But if he deliberately led the staff on just to make his recruitment "exciting" -- and, in the process, messed up our standing with some other lineman -- then he can kiss my ass.
Jaxbuckeye 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Addition by subtraction. Said long ago that I hated his attitude. He was so adamant about proving that he wasn't like everyone else. His attitude sucked from the beginning.
Bdbrown66 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Dude was a drama queen. Bye, Felicia.
Brunstar 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Best of luck but I have a feeling that Buckeye fans will look back on this in a couple of years and be thankful that the little drama queen went some where else.
Brutus865 20 DEC 2017, 11:13 AM
Bye. This kid is a head case
Tennbuckeye19 20 DEC 2017, 11:16 AM
I don't like it, but I get it. I know kids who picked teams other than OSU to root for growing up because OSU was all over the place all the time everywhere you went. Carman's been assumed to play at OSU for a long time and he took a different route. Probably didn't like that everyone just assumed he was gonna play for Urban. And with Clemson being one of the top programs in the country right now, he went with Dabo. We'll see how it goes.
MoneyMac 20 DEC 2017, 11:16 AM
I, for one, could not be happier I don't have to root for/defend this primadonna.
Actionstanleyjackson 20 DEC 2017, 11:16 AM
I have heard from several coaches that Carman was very lazy. Could have been even better if he worked.
BuckeyeNut 20 DEC 2017, 11:17 AM
Always felt he had an over-inflated view of his own self importance ...
Dillon G 20 DEC 2017, 11:19 AM
He has the same shitty wrong attitude as many traitors that go north due. No loyalty.
Lawver_5 20 DEC 2017, 11:30 AM
Man this is disappointing, but there is some serious saltiness in this thread. Everyone would be singing a much different tune if he picked the good guys. No need to take shots at a teenager. He made his college choice, he gets that right. Whether or not you appreciated the way he went about the recruiting process, he's still just a kid making the biggest choice of his life.
Eph97 20 DEC 2017, 12:11 PM
In the words of Les Miles, he didn't have the "chest" to be a Buckeye.
Urbanbuck 20 DEC 2017, 2:16 PM
Kid always came across as a dick, one of several that were almost in this class. I would think that a personality of that type would be a no-take just on the personality basis no matter the talent but whatever - coaches talk but they walk a twisted road.
Ohiopanda 20 DEC 2017, 3:20 PM
Never really liked this kid ever since he said he didn't want to play at Ohio State because people expected him to. Also has a huge ego.
GlassCityBuckeyes
20 DEC 2017, 4:15 PM Bullet dodged. He's a diva and a locker room cancer
Slobberknocker 20 DEC 2017, 7:29 PM
Never liked the kid. His personality, attitude, what ever. If your as great as your rankings, an Ohio boy, growing up in the Great State of Ohio, the opportunity to star for The Ohio State Buckeyes, and play for a 3 time National Championship Head Coach, would be a no-brainer for a winner. But you throw that all away because your scared of the pressure, that's what a loser says. Guaranteed he will regret this. His name will be remembered for stiffing The Buckeyes. Good Riddance to you.
Ca114fire 20 DEC 2017, 7:34 PM
I'll take a 3 star with heart over a 5 star diva any day of the week
Bucknuthoffy7 20 DEC 2017, 8:23 PM
This huge Ohio kid with an ego the size of Texas always left me scratching my head with his comments. He never wanted to be a Buckeye and seemed to love the drama. I'm sure he'll continue to run his mouth at Clemson and it will get him in trouble with his coaches. he basically said "screw you" to the state of Ohio in the end. That's how he'll be remembered as he tries to blaze his own trail at Clemson.
Thedewman10 21 DEC 2017, 10:05 AM
I must say from the beginning with carman I just thought he would be somewhat of a bust. I don’t know if it’s attitude of superiority but I sense the Bucks are better off without him
UAGoldenbear84 22 DEC 2017, 8:57 AM
Best of luck...I hope at some point this kid learns humility and that there is ALWAYS someone, bigger, faster, stronger than you. I doubt he will ever learn humility...nice job mom and dad.
Look, the kid made a business decision. He will play sooner at OSU due to tougher competition at Penn State, the academic expectations are lower as are expectations about going to class. Penn State is not for everyone. Good luck to the young man
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