I'm no longer to photo cheerleaders.
Kar believes I could get some jail time hang'n with the youngsters....so I just sit and ogle people during the game. 
Julian Fleming
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Kar believes I could get some jail time hang'n with the youngsters....so I just sit and ogle people during the game.
I stand by my prediction that Ohio St's passing game will take a huge step back and PSU will take a big step forward.
Ohio St loses the best passing QB that they have had in decades, 3 of their top 4 WRs, and a G and T to the draft or graduation. They have brought in a UGA reject and a Kentucky reject as their only QB options since the top QB went in the draft early and the next 2 transferred to Miami and TCU.
I'm sorry but this is not a good sign for Day as a coach that his top 3 QBs with eligibility remaining all opted to leave or that 3 of the top 4 WRs are also gone. I'm confident with this projection on their passing game taking a big step back.
On PSU, my projection is more of a hunch from the little I have seen of Clifford where he was deadly accurate, the glowing reviews of Levis, and the fact that Tommy Stevens didn't think he would be the starter and some thinking he may have even been passed up by Levis. We also have some talented WRs that are ready to break out.
Whatever happened to the posters who would come on these threads and say things like "Must not be PSU material"? Was that TOS?
There's still a lot of time until National Signing Day.
To me, this could say more about the confidence in Franklin's coaching/coaches/scheming and Fleming's simple preference for a school.
Big loss morally for PSU if they lose to tOSU on Fleming. But, best of luck to him wherever he goes.
There's still a lot of time until National Signing Day.
To me, this could say more about the confidence in Franklin's coaching/coaches/scheming and Fleming's simple preference for a school.
Big loss morally for PSU if they lose to tOSU on Fleming. But, best of luck to him wherever he goes.
I seem to remember a quote from an old PSU FB coach on the topic of worrying about recruits that go elsewhere.
^^^^^^^^^^^Hear, Hear ! Glad when this is over and we can move on. WE ARE!^^^^^^^^^^^
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I agree. But even moving on is likely temporary.
If OSU has a solid year and beats UM and us under the circumstances, the pendulum will likely swing in their favor, just as victors hope it will. If they don't and we have a great season, the pendulum might swing in our favor. So we'll see.
I'd like this kid to play for PSU. Either way, PSU will be fine. And if not, it won't be because Fleming went elsewhere.
An old Bama coach used to say something similar....more along the lines of...."Worry about the ones you have, not the ones you don't"
Typical fan talk before the season. The other teams will regress but our team will be better.
Losing Urbz is no small thing. Can’t stand him. But, a great coach. Especially, on offense
I believe Walker will be really good by next year. He will get experience this year and will be a monster next year.
Umm, I know you have all that experience, but just this week coach Franklin said, “What I don't want to do is, I don't want to ever make promises or make statements and then don't live up to them," Franklin told BWI. "We don't do that in recruiting. A lot of schools do that in recruiting. They promise a guy a number, they promise playing time. We just don't do that.”
The "Earth-shaking" flip was last year only under the only passing QB Ohio St has played in over a decade. Penn St's passing offense lead the B1G the 2 years prior when McSorley did not play injured and our passing offense was better than Ohio St's even before that. Now your only option is to send out one of 2 running QBs who were both rejected at another school.Don’t stick your neck out too far........
Seeing as how OSU had 50 TD and 5,000 yards passing - yeah, 2019 will likely be a step back
And it’s hard to imagine PSU’s pass game shitting the bed again, as badly as they did last year (a little over 1/2 the yards OSU had.... and well under 1/2 the TDS)
But that’s neither here nor there.
What is relevant is whether OSU or PSU will have the better offense.
Even if OSU comes back a step, and PSU moves up a step, OSU would be at another level from PSU.
It’s gonna’ take an “Earth-shaking” to flip those positions.
Maybe that will happen. Who knows.
Why did your best 3 QBs with eligibility remaining ALL decide to leave Ohio St since Day was named head coach? That should be your biggest concern as it underscores more than a passing offense problem.
As for your earlier thought that Fleming might be scared off by Clemson's young WRs but not Ohio St's:
Clemson 2020 - 0 WR committed
Ohio St 2020 - 2 4-star WR committed
Clemson 2019 - 2 4-stars, 1 3-star WR
Ohio St 2019 - 1 5-star (#20 overall), 1 4-star WR
Clemson 2018 - 1 5-star (#26 overall), 1 4-star WR
Ohio St 2018 - 2 4-star, 1 3-star WR
Seems to me that Clemson has an amazing young QB and LESS star power competition at the WR position than Ohio St particularly in Fleming's class and the one preceding his. Not that I think Fleming is scared of competition like you inferred, but the position outlook is actually much better at Clemson. That's not to say he doesn't chose Ohio St, kids make ill-informed decisions all the time.
You obviously don’t read this board....according to many on this board our team is the only team that will take a step back and we do every year at almost every position while other teams will never take a step back.
I don't believe it. Not at a school like Ohio State. Do you really think they "promised" Fleming more playing time than he would project at PSU and that is why he is going there? These 5 star kids think they are rock stars. Recruiting Services, fan boys and college coaches shower them with wet kisses. They are already in the NFL and rich beyond anyone's imagination (in their own minds). These 5 stars "own" their communities..........then they commit and sign......what a dose of reality. They need to conform and it isn't Southern playing Central Columbia anymore with "double coverage" from 2 15 year old 140 lb DB's.
It appears the kid fell in love with OSU. Why? Who the hell knows. It could be the colors....the fight song...a certain girl isn't there....getting far away from Elysburg or Catawissa. Why are some people who live in New York Steeler fans? Who knows. Promising a player that they will play is suicide and would fracture a locker room in an instant. If a program and a coach are recruiting a player with great intensity.....isn't that confirmation enough that the staff feels that the individual they are chasing is going to be a player and contributor for them? They still have to earn it when they start summer camp. One other factor (other than locker room dissent) that precludes making playing time promises.......coaches must win. Win or be unemployed. Does making promises make sense given the instinct for self preservation?
Recruiting is much like painting a portrait, and depicting the prospect in the masterpiece. If you can sell that vision to the young man....if you are the best at that, you land him.
by the way....promising a number is different that promising playing time. My son was recruited for baseball and one school offered his number....but no one told him he was going to be in the lineup.
I can’t say for sure what Ohio State’s offense will look like compared to last year’s offense, nor can I say the same about Penn State’s offense. But I can say this: Urban Meyer was a great, great football coach and the chances of Ryan Day being on that level are close to zero. Ohio State will backslide under Day. It’s just a matter of how far.
They’ll backslide much more because of losing Haskins than losing Urby. No one here on this Board has really credited Haskins for the tremendous year he had for tOSU. He will be dearly missed by the Buckeyes this year.
The two points you are pairing together are not mutually exclusive. I know the other poster tied them together, but to be clear, I don't think Fleming is going there because he was guaranteed playing time. However, that does not mean he wasn't, and it does not mean that a lot of colleges don't guarantee playing time. Clearly coach has heard that some he is recruiting against are doing that or he wouldn't have said it.
As you say Fleming likes OSU better. He can do him, but my point is that you said colleges don't guarantee playing time and just this week our coach said they do.
That is an excellent, concise and totally accurate “ portrait “ of the recruiting process, well done . And while we’re still in the artistic vein, great painters such as Sweeney, Saban, Meyer, Franklin et al also have another advantage. Once they have perfected their craft, they get to paint and display their work for prospects in the Worlds great athletic museums.
Guys like Narduzzi who never progress past painting Elvis on velvet are relegated to the flea markets of athletic art galleries. This also provides the masters with an added often insurmountable advantage.
Unfortunately, we have too many art critics who don’t understand this and just start screaming “ bag man “ whenever any work in progress fails to arrive at their favorite museum.
That was a big part of my prediction. #15 overall pick, 3 of 4 top WRs gone, a couple OL, and the loss of the best 2 backup QBs to transfer. Then the 2 transfers in are both known as runners with less developed passing skills that didn't cut it at UGA and Kentucky. Maybe their run game will pick up the slack, but their passing game is set back big time.
Oh and their D should be improved. I'm not saying Ohio St will suddenly suck. I'm saying that they are going to be more like traditional Ohio St teams with a stronger D and relying on the run game more. Last year was a function of the best QB in decades and very talented WRs who are mostly gone now.
I’m not talking just next season, I’m talking about over a period of time. Urban Meyer was a great coach.
He was a great coach. Unfortunately for PSU, I think Day is going to be a very good coach, and one day, a great coach. OSU knew of Meyer's health issues and went out and got one of the asst coaches out there. Could there be some drop off, yes, but I dont see 8-4 or even 9-3 seasons on the horizon for OSU.
One left because he was going to be a first round pick in the NFL draft. The other two left because Fields transferred in. I don't think any of the three exits underscores anything negative. You're reaching.
No doubt he could end up being a great coach some day, but it remains to be seen. Replacing Urban Meyer would be a challenge for any new coach, but Day will be given some latitude early on. It’s not like the cupboard is bear at OSU. In any case, we have our establish Head Coach in CJF, who was hired into much more challenging circumstances, has weathered the storm and is building huge momentum in bringing back Penn State to national prominence. He’s also got pleanty of runway ahead of him.
You never what a guy will do as a head coach until they are a head coach. Ohio State has got quite a machine running so I would be surprised if they completely fell apart but I would also be surprised to see the same level of success.
Does it really matter who signs where anymore with the transfer portal and immediate eligibility?
I'm not implying that Haskins shouldn't have declared. He made the right decision. But it is not a reach to say your entire QB room opting to leave with eligibility remaining is concerning. People here would be freaking out if that occurred at Penn State.
I also don't think it is as simple as a backup QB from UGA who hadn't had good reviews at UGA transferring in. Martell was very highly rated, knew the OSU system, and was on record with the Fields transfer saying
“Why would I leave for someone who hasn’t put a single second into this program?” “I have put two years of literally working my ass off into something that I’ve been waiting for and a dream I’ve had my whole life. To just run away from somebody who hasn’t put a single second in at winter workouts and doesn’t know what the program is all about? There’s not a chance.”
Something obviously changed on Martell that he was not expecting. Then there is the 2021 #2 pro style QB McCarthy on record saying Day lied to him. https://247sports.com/Article/JJ-Mccarthy-michigan-football-ohio-state-Ryan-Day-132303626/
I don't know but that makes 3 QBs leaving with eligibility, including their projected starter who professed that Fields was not a reason to leave, and a top QB recruit who committed now to Michigan claiming that Day lied to him. How many data points are required to get concerned?
Sounds like Day committed the starting QB job to Fields to get him there, bottom line. Why else would the other guys bolt immediately ? Not the way a program should have handled the ridiculous new transfer rules, but Ryan Day is certainly able to make his own decisions as the new head coach of the Buckeyes
It may not be the same, but I wouldn't count either of them as losses, except in comedy relief. But have no fear, Bushwood will be back as soon as the CAPS LOCK key on his computer is fixed.
Since it seems as though Fleming is headed to Tosu, the real question now is how Franklin will deal with the latest barrage of OUTRAGE. from us (and people who look like us). The obvious implication being that Franklin, (a) is aware of our OUTRAGE. , and (b) is influenced by our OUTRAGE. , either positively or negatively.
Let's see how Franklin responds.
from us (and people who look like us). The obvious implication being that Franklin, (a) is aware of our OUTRAGE. , and (b) is influenced by our OUTRAGE. , either positively or negatively.Let's see how Franklin responds.
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