Juror speaks

[Bob78]

Yep that is what I said - It should have been easier to see that tim was going to lie again - he is the only one with more versions than .........

I guess predicting the future when it comes to tim is more difficult than it appears - just ask lurker

My guess is that you and your family have probably known Tim and his family and parents and brothers etc for many, many years. Most people in town knew the Curleys since forever.
Before this broke, had you ever considered Tim to be anything but honest and ethical and a 'good guy'?
Also, what exactly did Tim lie about and what is the truth about those specific items?
Thanks.

 

[Bob78]

I guess 5 years house arrest isn't so bad.

So even though Mike himself at one point stated that he thought Tim is a good guy, you think Tim is such a threat to society that he should get jail time? 5 years of anything on a misdemeanor (beyond the SOL, btw) is far too much based on the kind of person he is.

Tim is a really good guy who made a judgment call that turned out badly. He stated he took the plea because he wished he had done more. Same with Gary.

Doesn't Mike wish he had done more, too?

 

[wensilver]

A refresher on the "emails" :

http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2016/12/penn-states-counter-suitagainst-spanier.html#more

 

[Lion Lineage]

So even though Mike himself at one point stated that he thought Tim is a good guy, you think Tim is such a threat to society that he should get jail time? 5 years of anything on a misdemeanor (beyond the SOL, btw) is far too much based on the kind of person he is.

Tim is a really good guy who made a judgment call that turned out badly. He stated he took the plea because he wished he had done more. Same with Gary.

Doesn't Mike wish he had done more, too?

Yes. I've never hear Mike say he wished he had done more. He witnesses a child being sexually assaulted...and he tells a football coach. Then later he sees Sandusky running around with kids from TSM...and he says nothing. You'd think if anyone wished they had done more, it would be Mike.

 

[MtNittany]

Yes. I've never hear Mike say he wished he had done more. He witnesses a child being sexually assaulted...and he tells a football coach. Then later he sees Sandusky running around with kids from TSM...and he says nothing. You'd think if anyone wished they had done more, it would be Mike.

MM and his defenders here went from preservation/survival mode to spiking the football and wishing others to jail. Some people can't just take their money and go away/shut their holes. It must be a Central PA thing.

 

[Omar81]

A classy post would be one asking lurker why tim lied to him as well but I won't go their.

The word is "there," not "their." You got it wrong in two consecutive posts. Your "logic" and your writing skills both show you to be a real "rocket surgeon."

 

[lionlurker]

Does anyone think Mike McQueary is credible??

Nobody with an IQ over 50.

And yeah, of ALL the people who should have done more, he is at the top of the list.

 

[bdgan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...69934184168_story.html?utm_term=.f28c4c0268a4

Her comments are fair wrt GS's email. “the only downside” was if Sandusky did not respond properly “and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it.”

That doesn't mean that GS knew it was overly sexual. It just means that he knew it was extremely inappropriate. He might have wanted to give JS the benefit if the doubt but a man in his position is responsible for protecting PSU.

I disagree with her comment that he was protecting PSU. Reporting it would have protected PSU. I think he was giving JS the benefit of the doubt considering the soft story provided by MM.

Now what excuse does the McQueary family, Dranov, Raykovitz, and DPW have?

 

[dwiz]

I don't think many smart people have "peers" in PA. It seems that everyone who is on a jury is a moron who is excited to get the $4 an hour and 15 minutes of fame. I hope Spanier wins on appeal, not because I like him, but to tell these idiot jurors that you can't rule on emotion. I'm sure she's cock of the walk with her nerd friends for the moment, though.

 

[dwiz]

I guess living the rest of your life with what's left of your $millions, but unemployable and in shame, with many in the PSU community believing you f'd up the most important thing you ever encountered ain't so bad.

Out of all of this, Barbie is the real winner. None of the shame, takes half of Mike's money, gets the kid, child support on top of half the settlement, and never has to see him again. The smartest girl named Barbie ever.

 

[AWS1022]

I guess 5 years house arrest isn't so bad.

Has anyone ever received 5 years of house arrest? If it's house arrest, it's usually because it's not that bad. If it's bad enough to get 5 years, I don't think house arrest is what they would get.

 

[Connorpozlee]

People have to start asking why people believe Mike but think Curley is lying .

Some people believe Mike but think everybody else is lying.

 

[Judge Smails]

I don't think many smart people have "peers" in PA. It seems that everyone who is on a jury is a moron who is excited to get the $4 an hour and 15 minutes of fame. I hope Spanier wins on appeal, not because I like him, but to tell these idiot jurors that you can't rule on emotion. I'm sure she's cock of the walk with her nerd friends for the moment, though.

Read somewhere there was 1 college grad on the jury.

 

[lionville]

So even though Mike himself at one point stated that he thought Tim is a good guy, you think Tim is such a threat to society that he should get jail time? 5 years of anything on a misdemeanor (beyond the SOL, btw) is far too much based on the kind of person he is.

Tim is a really good guy who made a judgment call that turned out badly. He stated he took the plea because he wished he had done more. Same with Gary.

Doesn't Mike wish he had done more, too?

Based on recent court activities, MM only wishes he GOT more.

$$$$$ that is.

 

[bdgan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...69934184168_story.html?utm_term=.f28c4c0268a4

Her comments are mostly fair. GS talked about

People have to start asking why people believe Mike but think Curley is lying .

JM, Dranov, Joe, C, S, S, & Raykovitz all said that they weren't told sexual details.

 

[JoeBatters1]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...69934184168_story.html?utm_term=.f28c4c0268a4

Eyewitness testimony isn't always reliable. Nothing new in this statement. But I suspect more so when the number of witnesses is one. Here is one of probably many articles one can find on the subject: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/how-reliable-eyewitness-testimony-scientists-weigh

 

[BoulderFish]

The juror said tim and gary didn't strike her as credible - no kidding

Anyone know when their sentencing is

I would suspect the judge is going to hammer them after the stunt tim pulled on stand

The system is fcked when telling the truth on the stand is now considered a 'stunt?'

 

[MtNittany]

The juror loses credibility and displays her successful media brainwashing w/ this gem:

"But at the same time you can't say it was horseplay, but everybody says how serious it was."

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Yep that is what I said - It should have been easier to see that tim was going to lie again - he is the only one with more versions than .........

I guess predicting the future when it comes to tim is more difficult than it appears - just ask lurker

You out drinking again with Louis?

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Yes. I've never hear Mike say he wished he had done more. He witnesses a child being sexually assaulted...and he tells a football coach. Then later he sees Sandusky running around with kids from TSM...and he says nothing. You'd think if anyone wished they had done more, it would be Mike.

Mike did do more. He told his dad, Dranov and Towny.

 

[dwiz]

Nope not all - I wanted this to go trial and it did - tim and gary pleaded guilty.

I don't complain about rulings verdicts etc.

I have said all along tim was lying and he was and he did again. What is their to be upset about

You said that about Tim, EVERYONE says that about the red-headed pariah.

 

[Legion of Lions]

Spanier approved a plan on how to deal with a report that assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky showering with a boy in a team facility.

JS was Fu@##ng retired. They still can't get basic facts straight.

All this proves is the power of engineering people's subconscious. This juror just "Parroted" the exact dialog that was "broadcast" over the past 5+ years - This juror's reason for a "guilty" charge was nothing but a restatement of the "PSU Criminal Culture Story".

Where did the term "CHILDREN" (more than one child) come from??? This strongly suggests that the Media "Story" alone caused the juror to ignore that only ONE child was being legally evaluated here??? When you paralyze the mental processes of a person with preconceived images (that is what this illusion was engineered on), no further thoughts or analysis of alternatives to that image is made. You can NEVER be impartial and you can never make decisions on only what is presented in court as evidence.

That said, Spanier's legal team was fooled!

Why..... they felt they were fighting a LEGAL case in a court of law! Normally, that is a reasonable assumption....they WON that legal case. Problem is..... the Jury convicted Spanier (on this single misdemeanor charge) based on HISTORICAL Press Clippings which created these negative mental "images" which the mere lack of legal evidence could not overcome!

This judgement is possible because the media "Story" has remained UNCHALLENGED over the past 5+ years. Any information that was made public over this time has ALL contains MOUNTAINS of misinformation. This NEGATIVE ONLY misinformation EXCLUDED anything that challenged the weaknesses inherent in OAG's version of "The Penn State Scandal". By having this "one side only perspective" firmly ingrained in the subconscious of the jury, how can you expect anything but a one sided, preordained "guilty of something" view of Spanier in their minds?

This is the real impact of the BOT not allowing any form of PSU defense information to be made public for 6+ years!

 

[michnittlion]

That e-mail killed Spanier. All spelled out in print: he knew what he was supposed to do, then didn't do it. 12 jurors saw it exactly like that.

 

[marshall23]

That e-mail killed Spanier. All spelled out in print: he knew what he was supposed to do, then didn't do it. 12 jurors saw it exactly like that.

Not according to the juror quoted today. Some were prepared to convict on all counts and some wanted acquittal on all 3. You should get it right so you can share it accurately with you Panther" Liar" buddies.

 

[michnittlion]

Not according to the juror quoted today. Some were prepared to convict on all counts and some wanted acquittal on all 3. You should get it right so you can share it accurately with you Panther" Liar" buddies.

Some were "prepared" to convict on all 3 counts or acquit on all 3.

But they didn't, of course.

You only get a conviction by unanimity. Obviously, people's minds were convinced/changed in the jury room. Which often happens in the jury room.

 

[Lion8286]

Not according to the juror quoted today. Some were prepared to convict on all counts and some wanted acquittal on all 3. You should get it right so you can share it accurately with you Panther" Liar" buddies.

Does that coward still post over there?

 

[marshall23]

Some were "prepared" to convict on all 3 counts or acquit on all 3.

But they didn't, of course.

You only get a conviction by unanimity. Obviously, people's minds were convinced/changed in the jury room. Which often happens in the jury room.

Some just want to go home. Others might not wish to disappoint Hurricane Ditka.
Appears they compromised. Spanier beat the most serious charges and now he can concentrate on the misdemeanor and appeal.

 

[marshall23]

Does that coward still post over there?

He is the PSU voice of reason......assuring Spitters that he is not a member of the cult.

 

[Lion8286]

He is the PSU voice of reason......assuring Spitters that he is not a member of the cult.

How sad is that?? He has to kiss Pitter's behinds for validation.

 

[michnittlion]

He is the PSU voice of reason......assuring Spitters that he is not a member of the cult.

I am proud to not be a Paterno Loyalist - and I am proud to say that to anybody and everybody.

Paterno Loyalists are a pox upon Penn State.

 

[marshall23]

I am proud to not be a Paterno Loyalist - and I am proud to say that to anybody and everybody.

Paterno Loyalists are a pox upon Penn State.

You are entitled to your opinion. I have mine and I think you are an ass wipe.

 

[marshall23]

I am proud to not be a Paterno Loyalist - and I am proud to say that to anybody and everybody.

Paterno Loyalists are a pox upon Penn State.

Vic?

 

[Legion of Lions]

That e-mail killed Spanier. All spelled out in print: he knew what he was supposed to do, then didn't do it. 12 jurors saw it exactly like that.

Refine your statement PLEASE....it was the interpretation of that email quoted. The interpretation was the one that Louis Freeh and the OAG constructed. It is based on an UNCONTESTED ASSUMPTION OF GUILT and it it only "works" when you accuse a crime "THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED" instead of observing a crime.

So MM's testimony version used to support the vague email "snippet" you quote was the one the OAG used in the Grand Jury Presentment. Without a testimony of criminal or suspected criminal acts, everything PSU did makes sense. Only when you believe this one VERSION of MM's testimony is not a lie is it reasonable for this "...e-mail killed Spanier..."

Of course - NOT EVEN MM's other testimonies (pre-2011) agree with the "version" which supports any guilt. If MM's OAG version of what he saw was truthful, then explain why NO OTHER PERSON in 2001 acted like a report was needed or warranted. You have MULTIPLE people who all SWEAR that what was reported directly to them in 2001 did not constitute a reason to "report". This includes those outside PSU.

Here we go again....famous for this case - "backfilling reality" to get a message of Criminality that can not be supported by any actions taken in 2001.

Sounds more and more like Mike's a LIAR! He is in good company with both Freeh and the OAG!

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

I am proud to not be a Paterno Loyalist - and I am proud to say that to anybody and everybody.

Paterno Loyalists are a pox upon Penn State.

Please go spoon with your ilk, STD. Screw the pox, pick up an STD.

 

[bjf1991]

You are entitled to your opinion. I have mine and I think you are an ass wipe.

Not sure which of the "ignored" he's responding to ^^^^^. But I can probably safely "like". ;-)

 

[wensilver]

That e-mail killed Spanier. All spelled out in print: he knew what he was supposed to do, then didn't do it. 12 jurors saw it exactly like that.

Unfortunately that email chain was never authenticated. Graham doesn't remember writing that, but says it sounds like something he may have written. Surely Cynthia Baldwin would be familiar with Spanier's style & Baldwin turned them over to the OAG. They were admitted into evidence in 2013, weren't challenged and thusly the defense couldn't do anything about them now.

We know Louis Freeh lied about finding those emails. We know the OAG had those emails well in hand before he was even hired. We know Freeh's group worked hand-in-glove with the OAG. These emails are really the only hard evidence the state had. If they were that much of a smoking gun, why didn't Linda Kelly wave them around at a press conference and indict Dr. Spanier then? Why give them to Freeh to do the dirty work? We know McGettigan wanted to use Baldwin as part of their flip strategy and Castor told him NOT to do it. I find it interesting that Freeh had to issue that unhinged rant shortly after the verdict on Friday stressing the importance of those emails (and LIED again about finding them)

Those emails are the shiny object that Freeh and the OAG have been waving in front of the monkeys for years now - to distract from everything else going on.

I'd like to see what Miss Cindy has to say once she has a set of thumbscrews on.

 

[bplionfan]

Yep that is what I said - It should have been easier to see that tim was going to lie again - he is the only one with more versions than .........

I guess predicting the future when it comes to tim is more difficult than it appears - just ask lurker

Towny, when did Mike tell you that the GJP was leaked? Did he leak it to you the same way he leaked it on the stand? You never answered the last time I asked.

 

[pandaczar12]

So no discussion on how the prosecution met their burden of proof, just an emotional reaction. The idiot believes PSU was trying to protect themselves from... the good publicity associated with helping to catch a monster. No wonder she went to a branch campus.

 

[pandaczar12]

I am proud to not be a Paterno Loyalist - and I am proud to say that to anybody and everybody.

Paterno Loyalists are a pox upon Penn State.

You're projecting again.

Paterno was yet again proven to be innocent last week, and the great man we always knew he was. Get with the times.

 

[BobPSU92]

So even though Mike himself at one point stated that he thought Tim is a good guy, you think Tim is such a threat to society that he should get jail time? 5 years of anything on a misdemeanor (beyond the SOL, btw) is far too much based on the kind of person he is.

Tim is a really good guy who made a judgment call that turned out badly. He stated he took the plea because he wished he had done more. Same with Gary.

Doesn't Mike wish he had done more, too?

mike wishes he had been paid more.