Yes, and honestly, I doubt it works for more than five minutes. If penn state loses, it'll because of michigan's defense and run game, not because of motivation from last year. Same for Don Brown, I'm sure he wants revenge, but I don't see how that'll impact his game plan one way or the other (unless he goes full on buddy ryan with bounties).
Lavert Hill: "Penn State disrespected us last year."
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Thought the same awhile back but apparently Merriam-Webster disagrees with us:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disrespect
It's a bunch of BS to be honest. I think Brown was more butt hurt his LB's got totally abused by Barkley more than the final seconds. It sounds good to chant it to young guys to motivate them, but really it does go out the door right after the KO.
Yep. Just like Penn State was going to beat the brakes off UM last year regardless of Speight’s “disrespectful” comment about demoralizing PSU the prior year. If it helps to keep your guys a little more focused during the week, then by all means use it; but it means little to the outcome of the game.
I think Brown was more butt hurt because his game plan sucked and his defense got rolled.
Yea if anything, these "revenge/biggest game of the year" build ups for coaches often can backfire. Your much better off preparing hard each week one game at a time. Teams and coaches can out psych themselves.
Maybe that was in response to this one ... Llllloyd hurried up to run another play to score a meaningless touchdown. Some schools might deserve that treatment, but to do that against JVP who was known (to a fault) for taking a knee when the game is won was inexcusable. Carr always was classless.
It's more because he is stupid than arrogant....but yeah.
I don't know why James Franklin didn't simply kneel on the ball at the end of last year's game ---- he literally GAVE Michigan bulletin-board material for this game.
As I've said elsewhere, I do think we will play well and are a legitimate threat to win this game. But that was a stupid move on CJF's part last year.
As I've said elsewhere, I do think we will play well and are a legitimate threat to win this game. But that was a stupid move on CJF's part last year.
Because they ran up the score on PSU the year prior. The two schools are even now. It's up to them if they want to start some new shit.
No they didn't. That's factually incorrect.
Michigan kneeled on the ball twice on their final possession in 2016 (despite being fairly deep into PSU territory). PSU obviously didn't do the same thing last year.
Michigan --- like most football teams --- has its pride. I don't understand when coaches try to stick in the knife at the end unnecessarily. People remember.
I'm glad Hill flipped to Michigan. I don't care how good a player he is.
He likes to flip things. All the time. That's what he's all about, flipping people off.
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THIS.
And for anyone interested, here’s what I wrote to my friend from Detroit (a UM grad—and a great guy at that) re this revenge for PSU trying for late TD to run up the score instead of taking a knee.
They’re entitled to that. Wasn’t a nice move. ...
Go back and watch the 2016 game and you’ll understand PSU was pissed at UM just the same. And maybe it wasn’t quite the same as going for it with 3 seconds to go as much as players in huddle and in sideline laughing about running the same play 10x and how we couldn’t stop them and they’d just run it again and again, etc.
Franklin didn’t play the good sport [in the final seconds] last year, but UM and MSU in particular really did some kicking when this program was down. Payback for payback is fair enough but I’m not sympathetic to any suggestion the poor sportsmanship is unjustified on our end, or a one way street. PSU didn’t kick-when-down first. Whichever team wins, I hope they do it with class.
He really should stick to his "Count_von_Count" persona and universal and existential quantification.
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you're showing your cards....michigan was throwing with speight up 25 with like five minutes left in the game. And then there's the dwumfour saga...
Michigan threw their last pass of the 2016 game with 8:40 left.
This stuff is easily verifiable. You are making up "facts" when you say "throwing ... with like five minutes left in the game."
Anyway: back to my original point: when it got to "just kneel on it and shake hands" time, Michigan did just that in 2016. CJF decided NOT to do that in 2017. I think that was a stupid move on CJF's part.
Can you imagine if Miles Sanders got hurt on those unnecessary runs last year? Then again, CJF doesn't think about that sort of stuff. Which is not smart on his part. He had a similar dumb-ass move in 2015, when he had Barkley running the ball against Ohio State, when we were down 4 scores with 3:00 to play.
so 8:40 is functionally different than five when you're up by 25? Don't be so pedantic, you're making a distinction without a difference. In both cases the game was well out of hand, does it matter at what minute you're in that cycle that you take your foot off the gas? I can't believe you think this stuff actually matters in the outcome of the game. Do you think the jack allen TD mattered in the outcome of the 2016 MSU game? Franklin poured on that pass at the end as payback, but do you think chris godwin was thinking "remember jack allen" when he was beating the DBs down the field?
See, I never said I had a problem w/ the PSU touchdown pass that made it 42-13. You're putting words in my mouth.
What I DO have a problem with was CJF deciding to run 2 plays (which risked getting 22 football players injured) when (1) it was 1st down, (2) there was literally 1:00 left and (3) Michigan wasn't going to use their remaining time-outs.
Take the knee and go home.
That's what Harbaugh and Michigan did in a similar situation in 2016.
CJF instead decided to (1) risk getting a bunch of players injured and (2) leave Michigan some motivation for the game that would occur 52 weeks later --- all in the effort to get an absolutely meaningless touchdown.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
(FWIW: it was dumb when Lloyd Carr did this at the end of the 2000 PSU/U-M game as well. As I've said here before)
by the same token, can you imagine if wilton speight got hurt with 8:40 left in the game?
I'm not sure what you're talking about, I never said you had a problem with the pass to make it 42-13. My point is that other than franklin getting revenge, running up the score by MSU in the previous year had no impact on the outcome of the 2016 game. Just like when it's all said and done, the decision to run sanders in 2017 will have no impact on the outcome of this game. Just like speight throwing late and running his mouth after the game had no impact on the 2017 game. You can have an honest discussion about injury risk, but the whole revenge/bulletin board thing is stupid, especially if you're not applying the same standard to UM as you are to PSU.
Yes, it is. this whole payback thing on both sides is a red herring. It's fun for the fans to banter but it'll have no impact on the game.
Well, sort of..... but he had the only dang water boy we had left dressed out and playing linebacker. He already had the tuba player and the biggest male cheerleader in the game too. You can only do so much... (tic, sorta)
Truth is this: If Lavert Hill and Michigan's proud program needs this to fire them up and give them something to play for, maybe things are worse in Ann Arbor than the rest of the world already thinks. Those young men are sitting at #5 in the CFP rankings with everything they want (or what I think they should want) directly in front of them. If beating another blue blood, winning a B1G title and getting into the CFP (to get curbed stomped by Bama, but that's likely everyone's fate) is not enough motivation, then I guess they need to worry about lack of respect. To each their own. But IIRC, this is an older Wolverine team.... I would hope my team would be mature enough to just line up and take care of business...… especially if you know a loss will end all the goals you had planned. But I am sort of old school like that....
It was a joke. From your posts I always get the feeling that you are 60% PSU and 40% for the Michigan teams.
Maybe I have a false impression but you and one other PSU fan who resides in Michigan seem to also support corn and blue along with green and white.
If my perception is wrong. I apologize.
Hey Lavert...maybe if your team coulda stopped PSU from scoring...anytime they wanted...they woulda respected you. PSU doesn't respect Rutgers either....for the same fvcking reason.
What was the nickname used on this site last year for Winovich??
Ann Arbor Barbie? Hilarious!
This is alleged, but it came from more than one source in the lion's den, jimmy told dwumfour and his family something along the lines of "are you sure you feel safe sending your kid there" in reference to the sandusky scandal. Now, he probably would have flipped anyway because of gary, but that isn't the point.
The risk of getting players injured nonsense is silly. They also run the risk of guys getting injured at practice, but they still practice. Don’t like running the last two plays? Fine, I don’t necessarily disagree with you on that. Don’t want to run plays because it might cause an injury? That’s nonsense.
In rugby if you let up it’s considered to be an insult to the other team. Maybe football players should toughen up some.
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