It's common sense not political correctness.
Spanier was being tried for child endangerment and Lord said he didn't understand why a victim had such a prominent role. That's stupid.
Lord Has Strong Words For Victims.
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Spanier was being tried for child endangerment and Lord said he didn't understand why a victim had such a prominent role. That's stupid.
You are right - we can't stay the course with being PC - we are NOT in control of that...the PAID media is!!
That said - I can not get over how DUMB everyone is for the past 6+ years. We keep falling for the same "joke" of a "journalistic" article.
This entire article is a continuation of the type of PR "Hit piece" approach that has insulated internal PA government criminality from public scrutiny . You can see here how the power of this approach is derived ----- unrelenting use of all areas of the media as a means to distribute all forms of fictitious misinformation. These kinds of "media outlets for hire" are designed to keep the public's eye focused ONLY on the "BRIGHT SHINY OBJECTS" of illusion created and paid for by a specific group/agenda. In this media space NO REALITY IS EVER NECESSARY!
This entire BLOG is nothing more than a paid propaganda site providing one-sided, "sounds good" DANGEROUS information for uncontrolled use in the sound-byte media. It only exists only to allow others in the media to "quote" phrases contained in their "article" and then repackage these phrases into more complex misinformation on a topic. This makes it EASY to continuously deceive the public because the public can't tell what are valid or invalid facts about anything in the news.
RE-read this article....This is so far beyond a reasonable piece of journalism ----- it is insane. I would not be surprised if Freeh himself did not have a hand in its message and content - it is that "end result" driven - and it also works VERY hard to exonerate Freeh's work as "correct".
If you doubt me that this is a "nut-job" source of propaganda, take look at another article by The Chronicle of Higher Education ...Why Hundreds of Christian Faculty Members Have Signed a ‘Statement of Confession’ chronicling how, as a result of the past election, "...The political climate reveals longstanding national sins of racism, elevation of whiteness, misogyny, nativism, and economic disparity..."
This kind of PR-based media abuse HAS TO STOP....the impact on maintaining a functional FREE AMERICAN society is at risk if it continues.
I see what you are saying, which is why I think Lord should have gone even FURTHER with his comments, and clarified (what I think) he meant.
Are we really supposed to feel sorry for someone who got $8 million because he took one shower with Jerry, where Jerry put a little soap on his back? WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR THIS?
And that is the worst case scenario of what happened to this poor "victim". He was so all over the place with his story that I doubt any of it happened. Lord should have come out and just said that PSU has been paying "victims" who are lying and were not vetted. Taking a pussy PC approach got them in that position.
Victim 5 testified that Sandusky forced the victim to grab his erect penis in that shower.
and to boot apparently there is a picture of him in Sandusky's book which was published in 2000.
Sure it happened in 2002.
Oh yeah, that would have been great.
And if you really want to start asking questions about victim 5 you should start with the most obvious: why didn't he make up something better than a soaping up by an erect Sandusky?
Then move to: why did they pay on such a claim if it's filled with holes?
I'm not saying believe everything. Just be careful who you line up behind. There are people that have bad intentions jumping on board team Ziegler. He's too blinded by his ego to realize it.
Exactly. If these victims were making up their allegations, wouldn't they all be alleging that Jerry forced them into the most depraved, violent acts they could claim? If you're a fake victim only interested in a payout, wouldn't it make sense to argue something more than Jerry making you grab his erect penis in the shower on one occasion? Especially when you know - as some have claimed - that the victims making up their allegations conspired with each other to get their stories straight.
Doesn't seem like a very good grift to me.
Well, a couple of these con artists did that. See Sebastian Paden, Matt Sandusky, Aaron Fisher.....
I would never argue that JS isn't guilty, but the lawyers in all aspects of this case haven't made out too bad with the 30% fee (grift) on a 1/4 billion dollars spent by our esteemed BOT to "move on". They all probably meet at the old TSM building to smoke big cigars and count their money together.
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That's not what the poster said. He said that all you had to do was make a claim. There was vetting, it was just poor vetting in some cases.
Some of the later released depositions revealed some pretty outrageous stories. One included Jerry involved in group sex with both males and females.
I love how the media has taken parts of the quote and run with it.
The vetting was, "If you mention Sandusky inside the statute of limitations, or mention Paterno at all, you get paid."
The vetting was non-existent. There was no establishment of credibility. The firm doing the absent vetting would put forth here's what we want, PSU would say here's what we'll pay. It was accepted or not and in some cases negotiated. In the cases of the last 5 or 6 claimants paid, it was done so to avoid having Peetz and Baldwin deposed the next day. In an "emergency meeting" that the OGBot called, even though they bitched about the elected trustees calling such meetings that the power bloc never attended.
This bullshit about hiding or discarding "charred" underwear and blubbering into pillows to hide pain is total horseshit. No way the damage done could have been hidden. No way a school nurse, clinic or ER couldn't have been contacted. There was absolutely no empirical, objective evidence to support the claims. Claims were simply paid to avoid investigators delving into the ties between the OGBoT, TSM, and Charlie Brown Air.
What an odd name for your charter jet service.
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Yet another myth on this board that has turned into a "fact".
I was raped by my grandfather for years. My own parents didn't know. But keep saying there's "no way the damage done could have been hidden." You have no idea the lengths predators will go to - my abuser told me that he would kill my mom if I ever told. Imagine that - telling a 6, 7, 8 year old little girl that - This is a 60+ year old man, my GRANDFATHER who I was taught to love and respect - threatening to kill my mother... what do you think a child does in that situation? when I got older, his threats became more personal - he threatened to strangle me once, held his hands around my throat when I dared make a peep - when I whimpered too loud because he hurt me.
But you're right - there's no way that a man could hurt a child in that way and the child never show signs of pain, or bleed, or redness/soreness... I took care of those - because I didn't want my mother to die. Because I didn't want to die. I kept silent. So please, tell me again that there's no way that happened - and please share with the world your "expertise" in why that is so.
Why is deriding tangential players in this saga so therapeutic to you? I never knew someone could be an ignorant charlatan from a townhouse but you've proven me wrong again.
Do you need help setting up a GoFundMe to get you to East Lansing?
So was Spanier convicted of endangering Victim 5? Which children did he endanger? All that Jerry came into contact with through the Second Mile? The Second Mile that was contacted about the concerns. It's too bad victim 5 wasn't cross examined. It would have been the only vetting completed. Fact is that the abuse of victim 5 had nothing to do with the case and was an emotional ploy on a jury. Lots of emotion and theatrics with zippo evidence. I see why Al is pissed.
So your saying that your own parents didn't know, but everyone at Penn State is guilty because they didn't know JS was a pedophile?
I have NEVER said everyone at Penn State is guilty. However, there were those in a position of power who were found guilty for endangering the welfare of children. They could have reported it, but failed.
Spanier, Curley, and Schultz had the previous knowledge of 98 when told of a similar incident in 2001. They chose not to report it. That's on them. That's THEIR failure. That is NOT a reflection on Penn State. That is the failure of three men.
Why do you take it so personally that these three men failed?
Because they didn't break any laws and were the subject of a malicious prosecution?
You're entitled to your opinion. The courts have ruled differently.
2 pleaded guilty to EWOC
1 found guilty of EWOC - yes, will appeal as is his right. But a jury of 12 voted unanimously
All misdemeanors. The equivalent of a vandalism charge.
And then the foreman said the jury made a mistake. So I wouldn't really hang your hat on that.
Why don't you take it personally that your parents failed?
Misdemeanors, mistakes, etc. You know why I think you're so laser focused on this (assuming you're telling the truth)? Because you're selfish. It's helpful in YOUR JOURNEY of recovery for what happened to you to focus on these men. Systemic oversight and political dollars flowing to BOT members to and from the Second Mile mean nothing to you because YOU ARE SELFISH. The fact that the 1976 story is complete BS, or that Aaron Fisher has zero credibility, or the fact that you don't give a shit about systemic cover-up and abuse at other places like MSU can only be explained by YOUR SELFISHNESS.
Until you are a SJW for everyone involved, leaving no stone unturned, you are just a selfish charlatan. Go to MSU or STFU.
What fresh perspective on things.
I agree the state didn't prove it's case. It's still a moronic statement to make.
WRONG as usual.
it was reported to Sandusky's employer, the ONLY mandatory reporter in 2001. Even the OAG conceded that C/S/S were not mandatory reporters in 2001, and committed no crime at the time.
WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Don't you get sick of being wrong? don't you get sick of lying about how this is about the victims . . . who were failed by SECOND MILE, yet you have no outrage that Raykovitz was not only never charged, but was called as a prosecution witness??
how do you live with yourself immersed in such blatant hypocrisy?
That's quite an assumption you're making there - in what way have I demonstrated that I don't take it personally that my parents failed? I wrote a poem, published in the Daily Collegian, about just that - how they failed me.
My family has been ripped apart, as often happens when the abuser is intra-familial. Family members are forced to choose sides - who do you believe? Your father or your daughter? Your grandfather or your sister? Your husband or your grand-daughter?
I have a close friend who was abused by her Uncle and her family til this day denies it, so I can sort of relate. However, putting the blame on pepole like CSS is no different than putting the blame on your parents. JS and your grandfather are one in the same. Is this difficult to understand? Should your parents be arrested?
Exactly right - just as my parents failed me - Curley, Schultz, and Spanier, failed the 4 victims that came after 2001. Curley and Schultz took responsibility, pleading guilty and expressing their remorse for their in-action at Spanier's trial. Spanier was found guilty by a jury of 12.
While I didn't take my parents to court for failing me - they, similar to Curley and Schultz, have expressed their remorse to me for not doing more.
You are ignoring that the jury foreman admitted that the jury was wrong. So there's that...
You're a selfish hypocrite, so there's that.
Don't you mean the DPW and law enforcement failed any child abused after 1998?
Toxine will not go after DPW, CYS, Corbett, or Second Mile
despite the fact they had FAR more influence on the victim factory the state created
because, you know, she works with the victims.
From JZ:
Al Lord in response to an email from me urging him not to back down from comments the media morons are feasting on: "Back Down? Not likely."
I'm liking this guy more and more.
Al Lord in response to an email from me urging him not to back down from comments the media morons are feasting on: "Back Down? Not likely."
I'm liking this guy more and more.
There are many who failed these children. The epicenter of reporting occurred at Penn State. The top three administrators failed these children. It was because of their in-action that no further action was taken.
This has been proven in a court of law and proven in the two guilty pleas. They endangered the welfare of children. It starts with them. Period. Full Stop.
You can't blame others without looking at where the report started - and stopped. Now you can blame Mike McQueary (and I have - wrote an entire piece on him from Sandusky's trial the day he testified) for not effectively communicating what he saw. But Mike McQueary DID NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE of 1998. C-S-and S did.
See the difference?
And it doesn't matter that it was unfounded in 1998 - it was enough to be reported then - and the 2001 episode now shows a pattern. As Spanier said - the only downside is if the message is not heard and then we are vulnerable for not reporting it.
He knew they should report it. They made a bad judgment call - and when you're at the top - when those calls go awry - the buck stops with you.
