Lord Has Strong Words For Victims.
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It's called critical thinking, you should try it sometime.
If they were going to go to the TSM, a charity Sandusky founded and had a strong relationship with, they would have gone there first. Thinking one of them would just show up one day, with nothing to back up their claim mind you, is silly.
Like "coach" wasn't Paterno and they didn't know anything about 98?
Like MM said it was just "horseplay"?
"Silver pointed out to Schultz that until he entered his guilty plea, he had not claimed that McQueary had told him that he saw Sandusky with his arms wrapped around the boy from behind."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.mcal...se-spanier-trial-0322-20170322-story,amp.html
Like fondling isn't a sexual term...
Like professional help was an HR firm...
I don't know? Freeh may have brain damage from his accident.
Al Lord's comments compared to my own about these blood sucking miscreants that have ripped off the University for millions is nothing, and i'm talking about the lawyers. Now as for the victims, I would have provided a scholarship for the college/university of their choice (must be progressing toward a degree); psychological counseling (for a specified period of time), but no money since they couldn't remember anything. We all remember the worst days of our lives.
Read up on memory for sexual assault victims or rape victims. Your statement would be true for normal people but are blantany false when it comes to the trauma of sexual assault. That is why people here need to actually google something before they make these blanket statements. I love the the sentiment in your post as the intentions are well directed, but you really shouldn't make statements on memory like that. Seriously just google sexual assault memory and read up. Maybe someone lied, it's possible, but in order to condemn them you could at least acknowledge the known facts on cases like this. Be pissed at the state and BOT as they did screw it up. If you need to attack the victims, at least be sure you know what you are saying.
I guess, but I don't think a scholarship does much for people who either completed college or never went. If someone was molested as a kid in 1980 it's not as if they're still trying to find a career. And ultimately the only thing you can do is offer some kind of financial reparation, i.e. cash, to pay for legal costs and trauma. I mean the reason they did it is because they didn't want the publicity of going to court and trying to disprove allegations and claims by victims of abuse. They probably lost less money in the long run by simply paying settlements than they would have taking 30 people to court. Forcing the burden of proof on the victim in a public way is much worse for the University long-term.The thought on the payments wasn't a bad idea, although it is a tad late.
Repressed memory therapy has been proven to be unreliable and in many cases completely false. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There are some pretty good reads for more on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/apr/07/sexual-abuse-false-memory-syndrome
..and more, although not necessarily related to child abuse
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/media-spotlight/201211/implanting-false-memories
...and more on the admissibility of repressed memories in court
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissibility-of-repressed-memories.html
You are truly sick, demented and twisted.
If after nearly 5-1/2 years this still bothers you that much, seek professional help. I will continue to get excited over the fact we have a young and dynamic coach who may be getting ready to send Penn State football into the stratosphere.
Look, I hate what happened to Joe and all. It was tragic. It really was. I even believed him (and still do) when he said with hindsight he wished he had done more.
Sadly, the more this goes on, the more evident it becomes a few at Penn State dropped the ball. Evil persisted because good men did nothing. Sure there are many others in this saga who are to blame. I don't care about that anymore though. What is done, is done. Life goes on.
If MM, MM's father, Draganov (sp?), Paterno, Curley, Schultz or Spanier report this to the appropriate authorities the scandal never happens. Simple as that. However they didn't take care of business, now we're a quarter billion in the hole and have a stain that will never fully go away.
You can have all the theories you want. But the fact is some Penn State officials did not report the matter and hell was paid. You can't change that. Deal with it.
This idiocy from people like you and Lord is really embarrassing and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Really, it is time to let it go and move on with your life.
I'm not talking about that. He made a comment that you always remember the worst day of your life. That is false and I had provided links before. Google it yourself. Just google sexual assault memory and see what you find. Your brain basically shuts down certain areas due to the trauma. It's a built in self defense mechanism that humans have. It may not occur all of the time and may not apply here, but we have no idea if that is the case.
Somehow on the McAndrew board things like that are overlooked when statements are made when it comes to memory. The papers and studies exist. Not my work, but we can't dare raise a point explaining the behavior of Jerry's victims here. We can just say Jerry was goofy and they all lied. Say things enough here with a pro Jerry slant and they become fact to a few.
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All's good...... "Let's just win us a Foosball Game!!!"
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I see your word is not worth much, you promised that you were done posting here. I see you just can't help yourself.
Court has proven that C/S/S did not know that abuse had taken place, they only received a report of horseplay. The "previous knowledge" was of a similar incident... horseplay. At least if you view it without hindsight bias. It's a moot point because others could have stopped JS long before 2001, but you don't seem to care about them.
The court did not rule as you say when C/S pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor. They chose a path that would guarantee no jail time given how crooked the PA justice system is. The decision on Spanier was a mistake, the jury foreman is on the record saying so. It will be overturned soon enough... at that time, your statement "the courts have ruled" will no longer be valid. So be ready.
Court has proven that C/S/S did not know that abuse had taken place, they only received a report of horseplay. The "previous knowledge" was of a similar incident... horseplay. At least if you view it without hindsight bias. It's a moot point because others could have stopped JS long before 2001, but you don't seem to care about them.
The court did not rule as you say when C/S pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor. They chose a path that would guarantee no jail time given how crooked the PA justice system is. The decision on Spanier was a mistake, the jury foreman is on the record saying so. It will be overturned soon enough... at that time, your statement "the courts have ruled" will no longer be valid. So be ready.
It's always been all about YOU, then? smh
So, It's always been all about YOU then? smh
Good Grief.....what a moron.
The large majority of these cases (like, damn near all of them) no one even KNOWS what they have "alleged".
They went to Ira......scratch that - THEIR ATTORNEYS (at least some of which were Ira's BFFs) - went to Ira's Black Box "Committee" and said:
"Gimme some of that PSU cash, that stuff you're using to protect you and your 2nd Mile colleagues.......seven figures please.....and oh, yeah, throw an "After 2001" and a "Joe Paterno" in there for a couple million more."
"Maybe throw another $5,000,000 cherry on the top - - - - for letting Her Honor slink away from the witness chair? Yep, we'll take that too. Thanks for reminding me."
"Thanks Ira, pleasure doing business with you!"
And these c%cks%ckers don't even have the decency to slink away - like any self-respecting grifters and vermin would do.
Nope - we get Ira looking down his nose every day - as if he is some type of moral beacon of righteousness........knowing that he is as evil, as deceitful, and as "scummbaggery" as an erect biped can be.
[QUOTE="TenerHallTerror, post: 2729740, member: 77058"]Toxine will not go after DPW, CYS, Corbett, or Second Mile
despite the fact they had FAR more influence on the victim factory the state created
because, you know, she works with the victims.[/QUOTE]
You never, ever implicate state agencies of being lethargic or negligent and expect to be considered for state & federal funding or recognition.
despite the fact they had FAR more influence on the victim factory the state created
because, you know, she works with the victims.[/QUOTE]
You never, ever implicate state agencies of being lethargic or negligent and expect to be considered for state & federal funding or recognition.
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Your last sentence is not true. When people experience traumatic events, they don't always remember them even though they are the worst days of their lives. Often times, they trick themselves into thinking it never really happened. Now, I'm not saying that is the case here at all, but to say we all remember is not reflective of what really happens.
Do you have any citations or evidence of your claim that only paperwork was filled-out? I think that's fairly bold to just say... like you somehow have the Cred for that to stand without the rest of us calling BS.
First, yes, vandalism and what Spanier was convicted of (and what Schultz and Curley plead guilty to) are misdemeanors, just like vandalism.
Second, the more serious charges were dropped because they were BS from the start. In fact, all of the charges should have been dropped but it would have been too politically unpopular to do so.
Finally, what choice does the foreman have other than to be at peace with it? The jury effed up.
Especially since not all victims were paid the same and at least one was totally rejected. There were two questionable claims that were revealed on the insurance case so many here are taking that as "no vetting was done."
The difference between no vetting and obviously stupid tales are two different things. One "victim" was denied because Jerry made him "uncomfortable looking at me in my swimming trunks". Go away getmyjit you total clown. There was no vetting, just negotiating who would get how much over whatever bullshit story. Out of the last cases settled, several were denied at least 2 times, then paid outrageous sums to keep Peetz and Baldwin from being deposed in a classless move by the OGBoT in an "emergency meeting". The same type of meeting the OGTurds dissed and would not attend when called by the elected Trustees
Your are pathetic.
OMG. That was so hilariously bad.
Joel Ferguson is vice-chair of MSU Board of Trustees, and the first university official to sit down for an on-camera interview since the scandal broke.
“So far, have you seen or heard anything that would suggest to you that anyone at Michigan State University didn’t handle this in the right way?” asked Channel 7’s Ross Jones.
“I have not seen one thing yet,” Ferguson said.
“But if Coach Klages was told as early as 1997 about this and didn’t do anything, isn’t the university at fault?” Jones asked.
“I wouldn’t say that at all,” Ferguson said. “That’s a bad decision that she made, and it has to be stretched to us by all the folks chasing ambulances, because there’s no payday by her.”
The ambulance chasers, according to Ferguson, are attorneys like Grewal.
“You can tell Mr. Ferguson, if this was his daughter, his granddaughter, would he be saying the same thing?” Grewal asked. “I doubt it."
There is also evidence that the school failed to act as quickly as it could to learn the extent of Nassar’s potential abuses. He was fired by MSU back in September, the same time dozens of victims started to come forward.
But it was only this month on March 2 that athletic director Mark Hollis reached out to about 3,000 past female student athletes, asking if they had any information about Nassar’s abuses. What took Hollis so long?
“That’s a direct question for Mark,” Ferguson said.
“But Mark Hollis works for you, sir,” Jones responded.
“But that’s the point, that’s something he did,” Ferguson said.
“And as his boss, do you think he should have sent this letter out months ago?” Jones asked.
“I’m not even going to…I’m very happy with Mark Hollis’s performance here as the athletic director,” Ferguson said.
Through a spokesman, Hollis declined a request for an interview. Grewal says Hollis’s letter should have been sent when Nassar was fired.
Despite the evidence tonight suggesting MSU could have acted sooner, Ferguson insists that when the school’s investigation is all said and done, MSU will be cleared.
“MSU’s going to look great. And MSU wants to get to the bottom of this also,” Ferguson said.
“But if MSU wanted to get to the bottom of it, there were plenty of people, according to these victims, who could have. We’re talking about the coach, we’re talking about other doctors, who accusers say were told and they didn’t do anything."
“That’ll play out,” Ferguson said.
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Interesting how Ferguson already *knows* MSU is going to "look great" when the school's internal investigation is completed and published. Sounds like their strategy is to deflect and diversify the blame.
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FWIW, here is another exceptional politico feeding in the public trough and “righting” the course for the flagship university. Gunslinger Lord shooting his mouth from the hip has left us with some ostracized publicity, but where was this dead beat politician the last five years when we needed his support.
Help me get Al Lord ousted from PSU's Board of Trustees: Rep. Peter Schweyer
on April 03, 2017 at 8:13 AM, updated April 03, 2017 at 8:22 AM
By Peter Schweyer
Next to my office telephone is a picture of my mother, father and me on my graduation day from Penn State. They were working class people, neither of whom graduated from college.
State Rep. Peter Schweyer, D-Lehigh
My dad was exhausted and using his cane that day because of the cancer that ultimately took his life. Yet he was still beaming with pride in that picture.
In many ways that day's ceremony was as important to them as it was for me.
I think of that day often when I go back to University Park for football games or just to walk around campus with my family. And I think of that day every time I sing our Alma Mater at Beaver Stadium, especially the lyric: "May no act of ours bring shame."
Like many alumni (Schreyer Scholar, Class of 2000), I cannot sing that line at a football game without tearing up.
In November of 2011 when then-Attorney General Tom indicted Jerry Sandusky on 40 counts of sex crimes, many alumni demanded the University and our Penn State community take action.
Dear Penn State, this is not what closure looks like: John L. Micek
Why is Albert L. Lord allowed to talk in public?
Penn State needed to take responsibility for the victims and needed to make systemic changes to reduce the likelihood anything like this could ever happen again.
The University and our community has largely taken these steps, demonstrating that we will take on even the most difficult issues head on.
That is why we are all so shocked and appalled by the statement made by Al Lord of the PSU Board of Trustees.
In case you missed it, he said to the Chronicle of Higher Education that he was "Running out of sympathy for 35 yr old, so-called victims with 7 digit net worth."
This disgusted me and it should disgust everyone, especially alumni. It should also move us to action. It is incumbent upon all Penn State Alumni to vote this horrible human being out as a trustee.
If you are unsure how to do that, contact the Board of Trustees at bot@psu.edu or (814) 865-2521. I've also started a Facebook group that you can choose to follow.
There were no "so called victims" of Jerry Sandusky, these are real humans that are real victims of rape at the hands of a pedophile.
Penn State trustee 'running out of sympathy' for 'so-called' Sandusky abuse victims: report
Penn State trustee Albert L. Lord had harsh words for the sexual abuse victims of former Nittany Lions assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, according to an email to The Chronicle of Higher Education.
We as a Penn State community should always remember those victims first. And we should only accept leaders of our University who have a soul, a conscience and a heart. (he is joking--right?) Al Lord has demonstrated that he has none of these traits; thus we alumni must take action.
We all know what "We Are...Penn State" means.
Now let us all act like it and remove this horrible person.
State Rep. Peter Schweyer, a Democrat, represents the Allentown-based 22nd House District.
Help me get Al Lord ousted from PSU's Board of Trustees: Rep. Peter Schweyer
on April 03, 2017 at 8:13 AM, updated April 03, 2017 at 8:22 AM
By Peter Schweyer
Next to my office telephone is a picture of my mother, father and me on my graduation day from Penn State. They were working class people, neither of whom graduated from college.
State Rep. Peter Schweyer, D-LehighMy dad was exhausted and using his cane that day because of the cancer that ultimately took his life. Yet he was still beaming with pride in that picture.
In many ways that day's ceremony was as important to them as it was for me.
I think of that day often when I go back to University Park for football games or just to walk around campus with my family. And I think of that day every time I sing our Alma Mater at Beaver Stadium, especially the lyric: "May no act of ours bring shame."
Like many alumni (Schreyer Scholar, Class of 2000), I cannot sing that line at a football game without tearing up.
In November of 2011 when then-Attorney General Tom indicted Jerry Sandusky on 40 counts of sex crimes, many alumni demanded the University and our Penn State community take action.
Dear Penn State, this is not what closure looks like: John L. Micek
Why is Albert L. Lord allowed to talk in public?
Penn State needed to take responsibility for the victims and needed to make systemic changes to reduce the likelihood anything like this could ever happen again.
The University and our community has largely taken these steps, demonstrating that we will take on even the most difficult issues head on.
That is why we are all so shocked and appalled by the statement made by Al Lord of the PSU Board of Trustees.
In case you missed it, he said to the Chronicle of Higher Education that he was "Running out of sympathy for 35 yr old, so-called victims with 7 digit net worth."
This disgusted me and it should disgust everyone, especially alumni. It should also move us to action. It is incumbent upon all Penn State Alumni to vote this horrible human being out as a trustee.
If you are unsure how to do that, contact the Board of Trustees at bot@psu.edu or (814) 865-2521. I've also started a Facebook group that you can choose to follow.
There were no "so called victims" of Jerry Sandusky, these are real humans that are real victims of rape at the hands of a pedophile.
Penn State trustee 'running out of sympathy' for 'so-called' Sandusky abuse victims: report
Penn State trustee Albert L. Lord had harsh words for the sexual abuse victims of former Nittany Lions assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, according to an email to The Chronicle of Higher Education.
We as a Penn State community should always remember those victims first. And we should only accept leaders of our University who have a soul, a conscience and a heart. (he is joking--right?) Al Lord has demonstrated that he has none of these traits; thus we alumni must take action.
We all know what "We Are...Penn State" means.
Now let us all act like it and remove this horrible person.
State Rep. Peter Schweyer, a Democrat, represents the Allentown-based 22nd House District.
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So either he's up for re-election or he's involved in this whole deal, too
Wait - so Penn State can squander HALF A BILLION over a singular LIE of "anal rape" in a Penn State shower, courtesy of our hardcore porn addled prosecutors and Tom Corbett bent on a political whack job, and ALL THE DESTRUCTION to so many in the PSU community over that, and this Rep. Peter Schweyer has been silent for the past 5 plus years.
But he gets his panties in a wad over something Al Lord said just the other day?
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Lord: "The new Penn State is not the Penn State of loyalty and courage where I received the degree which gave me my start in life 50 years ago."
^^ Still trying to figure out why anyone would think it's a good idea to pit "Old PSU" vs "New PSU." What good could it possibly do to alienate an entire generation of Penn Staters? We should be encouraging them to join our side to build an even more powerful, unified Penn State. We should have confidence in knowing we're the good guys and that our side will eventually win out vs the OG which sold our school down the river to save their own hides.
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Isn't Schweyer German for grandstanding douche?
It is critical that the Penn State Scandal exist in the public's MIND EXACTLY as it was written in 2011. Every time something new comes to light about the absurdity of what "convicts" Penn State - a piece of "new illusion" is distributed publicly to discredit a potential change in public belief. This is needed so that no one challenges the honesty of the original OAG "Story".
Al Lord's current comments and his "reversal" is just more validation of the depth of PA government involvement in this continuing crime against Penn State. I HONESTLY suspect that PSP investigations have been made on "key individuals" and the content of these illegal documents are being used to "influence" what is publicly said. This is an old J Edgar Hoover trick and one that our buddy Tommy Corbett used while he was Governor. After 6+ years, it is now a certainty that there are some SERIOUS issues that PACORN needs to keep away from the public and the continuation of the "Penn State Illusion" has proven itself to be the best cover "money can buy"!!
One thing that comes to mind why it is so important to "hush" any comments from rouge BOT members - The eventual Paterno-Freeh Suit. It is critical that NOTHING NEW be exposed in a court of law about Freeh and the absurd content of his "investigation" (Opinion). A core to the criminality of Paterno and Penn State is Freeh's "Summary Findings" (unsupported by his own "investigation").. punching ANY MORE HOLES in that document could be the end of this PA OAG House-of-Cards "Scandal".
The objective of derailing the potential Paterno legal case is why it was so important for the Spanier results to have some form (any form) of "Guilty" attached to its trials. I expect the State of PA to void the Paterno's legal action against Freeh based only a "stretched" legal technicality using the Penn State Officials (and Paterno) GUILTY "Trial" result. This will remove the chance for more "discovery" of any more suspicious misinformation concerning PA OAG, Freeh, B1G and the NCAA. Critical for hiding the State of PA's criminal ties with TSM and other "cooperatives".
Time to vote Schweyer out. The good people of the Lehigh Valley deserve better than this coward who thinks it's OK that PSU gave away millions to liars and frauds.
It's a quarter of a billion, not a half. And while he was not convicted for anal rape, he was convicted of indecent assault for that victim. It's still CSA and CSS still failed Penn State and those victims.
