Lord Has Strong Words For Victims.

[TenerHallTerror]

There are many who failed these children. The epicenter of reporting occurred at Penn State. The top three administrators failed these children. It was because of their in-action that no further action was taken.

This has been proven in a court of law and proven in the two guilty pleas. They endangered the welfare of children. It starts with them. Period. Full Stop.

You can't blame others without looking at where the report started - and stopped. Now you can blame Mike McQueary (and I have - wrote an entire piece on him from Sandusky's trial the day he testified) for not effectively communicating what he saw. But Mike McQueary DID NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE of 1998. C-S-and S did.

See the difference?

And it doesn't matter that it was unfounded in 1998 - it was enough to be reported then - and the 2001 episode now shows a pattern. As Spanier said - the only downside is if the message is not heard and then we are vulnerable for not reporting it.

He knew they should report it. They made a bad judgment call - and when you're at the top - when those calls go awry - the buck stops with you.

no continuing conspiracy was proven in a court of law

all a court of law and a plea deal proved was the admins possibly made an error (in hindsight) when the law changed in 2007.

the rest is just nonsense

the epicenter of abuse was Second Mile. The courts. law enforcement. the OAG.

you cannot spare a moment of contempt for them

odd, coming from a so called victim advocate

 

[LafayetteBear]

Did every single claim get paid? No.

#NINETYTHREEMILLION

 

[PearlSUJam]

There are many who failed these children. The epicenter of reporting occurred at Penn State. The top three administrators failed these children. It was because of their in-action that no further action was taken.

This has been proven in a court of law and proven in the two guilty pleas. They endangered the welfare of children. It starts with them. Period. Full Stop.

You can't blame others without looking at where the report started - and stopped. Now you can blame Mike McQueary (and I have - wrote an entire piece on him from Sandusky's trial the day he testified) for not effectively communicating what he saw. But Mike McQueary DID NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE of 1998. C-S-and S did.

See the difference?

And it doesn't matter that it was unfounded in 1998 - it was enough to be reported then - and the 2001 episode now shows a pattern. As Spanier said - the only downside is if the message is not heard and then we are vulnerable for not reporting it.

He knew they should report it. They made a bad judgment call - and when you're at the top - when those calls go awry - the buck stops with you.

Again, the state, law enforcement and TSM FAILED in 1998. You are poor at deflecting and steering this to your narrative. I hope you know that everyone here can see this. Outside of this forum is where people like you are dangerous. The entire state child welfare system needs to looked at and corrected, but blaming the preriferal people is easier for you, so that will never get accomplished.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Toxine will not go after DPW, CYS, Corbett, or Second Mile

despite the fact they had FAR more influence on the victim factory the state created

because, you know, she works with the victims.

Or works/worked for one of these agencies.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Again, the state, law enforcement and TSM FAILED in 1998. You are poor at deflecting and steering this to your narrative. I hope you know that everyone here can see this. Outside of this forum is where people like you are dangerous. The entire state child welfare system needs to looked at and corrected, but blaming the preriferal people is easier for you, so that will never get accomplished.

Victims are no longer at risk from Sandusky

Or (theoretically) Spanier, Curley, and Schultz

they are at constant risk from a broken child welfare system. by the thousands

funny where Toxine still focuses her energy, right??

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

All misdemeanors. The equivalent of a vandalism charge.

And then the foreman said the jury made a mistake. So I wouldn't really hang your hat on that.

More like the equivalent of a jaywalking charge by a corrupt cop out to meet his monthly quota

 

[TenerHallTerror]

More like the equivalent of a jaywalking charge by a corrupt cop out to meet his monthly quota

FOURTEEN FELONIES

Guilty of NONE

2 pleas to misdemeanor traffic tickets

1 guilty charge for misdemeanor traffic ticket, likely to get overturned on appeal. and jury foreman says it was a mistake.

Toxine calls that validation

kind of like how she crowed about Ziegler going to jail for 9 years

then claimed complete validation when he paid a $100 fine and walked a free man

 

[WeR0206]

There are many who failed these children. The epicenter of reporting occurred at Penn State. The top three administrators failed these children. It was because of their in-action that no further action was taken.

This has been proven in a court of law and proven in the two guilty pleas. They endangered the welfare of children. It starts with them. Period. Full Stop.

You can't blame others without looking at where the report started - and stopped. Now you can blame Mike McQueary (and I have - wrote an entire piece on him from Sandusky's trial the day he testified) for not effectively communicating what he saw. But Mike McQueary DID NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE of 1998. C-S-and S did.

See the difference?

And it doesn't matter that it was unfounded in 1998 - it was enough to be reported then - and the 2001 episode now shows a pattern. As Spanier said - the only downside is if the message is not heard and then we are vulnerable for not reporting it.

He knew they should report it. They made a bad judgment call - and when you're at the top - when those calls go awry - the buck stops with you.

This whole post is garbage unless and until you acknowledge and harp on the BIGGER failures of TSM, no one on this site will take you seriously.

PSU was not the epicenter or destination of reports re: JS and his inappropriate behavior over the years (just because 2 reports originated there) nor was anyone at PSU in a position to aggregate or act on any reports involving JS b/c they had NO CONTROL OVER JS OR HIS ACCESS TO KIDS.

You know who was in a position to aggregate and act on reports re: JS over the years? JR and TSM. THEY are where the reports were directed to and ultimately died, not PSU. PSU was a MINOR player at best in this story and you focus ALL of your attention on their minor role...hmmmmm.

Still waiting on those time stamped articles, emails, tweets, etc. from you denouncing the massive failures of TSM/JR/CC CYS re: JS. We can't wait for you to show us all how wrong we are about you.

 

[Bob78]

There are many who failed these children. The epicenter of reporting occurred at Penn State. The top three administrators failed these children. It was because of their in-action that no further action was taken.

This has been proven in a court of law and proven in the two guilty pleas. They endangered the welfare of children. It starts with them. Period. Full Stop.

You can't blame others without looking at where the report started - and stopped. Now you can blame Mike McQueary (and I have - wrote an entire piece on him from Sandusky's trial the day he testified) for not effectively communicating what he saw. But Mike McQueary DID NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE of 1998. C-S-and S did.

See the difference?

And it doesn't matter that it was unfounded in 1998 - it was enough to be reported then - and the 2001 episode now shows a pattern. As Spanier said - the only downside is if the message is not heard and then we are vulnerable for not reporting it.

He knew they should report it. They made a bad judgment call - and when you're at the top - when those calls go awry - the buck stops with you.

The 2001 McQ report may have started at PSU, but it stopped and died with TSM, since Jack was told. That is on TSM. Other reports stopped with other agencies, just as the '98 report did. Even Kitty G. said they had to tell JS to back off kids in the past.... where did those reports start and stop? Common denominator seems to be TSM, with CYS and DPW as wingmen.

The PSU part was very small in relation, has been shown to have been completely unnecessary to get JS off the streets, and now a trial has shown clearly that there was no cover-up or conspiracy. Continuing to point at a school football program helps no victim, past, present, or future.

It is hard to take you seriously when your vitriol and remedies are so horribly misplaced, regardless of where your heart may be.

 

[voltz99]

From today...ouch!

http://www.chronicle.com/article/Se...DkzN0tIc2ZBWEtJT0hocERzMjhNV2QxSFhtMXpJSkVUWQ

Really dumb to go on the record. Just makes himself look like a moron.

 

[interrobang]

Lord had strong words for the jackwads who keep saying "remember the victims" when you try to call out the jackwads' role in this mess.

He's also calling out the ambulance chasers who have cashed in.

 

[PennSt8er]

He voted guilty. So there's that.

Don't you have something better to do? Like aren't there other institutions you can shake down?

 

[getmyjive11]

#NINETYTHREEMILLION

Newsflash, Jerry was one of, if not the worst, serial pedophile in American history.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Newsflash, Jerry was one of, if not the worst, serial pedophile in American history.

Even if he is guilty of everything he has been accused of, this seems very unlikely. American has been around for a long time.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Even if he is guilty of everything he has been accused of, this seems very unlikely. American has been around for a long time.

Well you can always hang your hat on that I guess.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

He voted guilty. So there's that.

He was asleep most of the trial. You should likewise take a nap and leave for greener pastures...like perhaps Michigan state, where real bureaucratic crimes against children occurred.

 

[getmyjive11]

Even if he is guilty of everything he has been accused of, this seems very unlikely. American has been around for a long time.

He founded and ran a charity for youths seemingly so that he could hand pick his pray. He also used his celebrity status to lure victims in and help shield himself from suspicion. Can you give me an example or two of worse American pedophiles?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

He founded and ran a charity for youths seemingly so that he could hand pick his pray. He also used his celebrity status to lure victims in and help shield himself from suspicion. Can you give me an example or two of worse American pedophiles?

There is no trophy here jive. They are all pretty screwed up.

 

[getmyjive11]

There is no trophy here jive. They are all pretty screwed up.

True. My only point here is that Sandusky was so bad that people shouldn't have any doubt about what he was.

 

[wensilver]

 

[m.knox]

He founded and ran a charity for youths seemingly so that he could hand pick his pray. He also used his celebrity status to lure victims in and help shield himself from suspicion. Can you give me an example or two of worse American pedophiles?

And it's Penn State's fault.......

 

[getmyjive11]

And it's Penn State's fault.......

After 2001, yes they share blame. Thanks CSS.

 

[m.knox]

After 2001, yes they share blame. Thanks CSS.

Well where are the others "sharing"? Of course you are assuming that CSS knew precisely that Old Jer was fellating and sodomizing boys.

 

[getmyjive11]

Well where are the others "sharing"? Of course you are assuming that CSS knew precisely that Old Jer was fellating and sodomizing boys.

I have no problem with pushing blame to the others as well. But CSS screwed us.

 

[m.knox]

After 2001, yes they share blame. Thanks CSS.

Well where are the others "sharing"? Of course you are assuming that CSS knew precisely that Old Jer was fellating and sodomizing boys.

 

[PearlSUJam]

He founded and ran a charity for youths seemingly so that he could hand pick his pray. He also used his celebrity status to lure victims in and help shield himself from suspicion. Can you give me an example or two of worse American pedophiles?

Judging by how Freeh and Lord are acting, I'm still not convinced the investigations are over. Feds? I don't know but I "prey" they bring down every person that actually concealed JS's acts.

 

[MtNittany]

Judging by how Freeh and Lord are acting, I'm still not convinced the investigations are over. Feds? I don't know but I "prey" they bring down every person that actually concealed JS's acts.

You funny...

 

[L.T. Young]

Judging by how Freeh and Lord are acting, I'm still not convinced the investigations are over. Feds? I don't know but I "prey" they bring down every person that actually concealed JS's acts.

That's not gonna happen. Certain people don't want the public to know they facilitated Sandusky's escapades after he was bounced from the showers.

 

[Hugh Laurie]

All misdemeanors. The equivalent of a vandalism charge.

And then the foreman said the jury made a mistake. So I wouldn't really hang your hat on that.

Child endangerment equivalent to vandalism? Tell me you're not serious.

The more serious charges were dropped for statute of limitations reasons and when Cynthia Baldwin's testimony was ruled inadmissible. Had it not been for that, Curley and Shultz would have had a tougher road to hoe and possibly been convicted of major felonies including perjury.

Also, you failed to mention that the jury foreman, despite being the last holdout in deliberations, said he has subsequently made peace with the jury’s decision.

 

[bjf1991]

Child endangerment equivalent to vandalism? Tell me you're not serious.

The more serious charges were dropped for statute of limitations reasons and when Cynthia Baldwin's testimony was ruled inadmissible. Had it not been for that, Curley and Shultz would have had a tougher road to hoe and possibly been convicted of major felonies including perjury.

Also, you failed to mention that the jury foreman, despite being the last holdout in deliberations, said he has subsequently made peace with the jury’s decision.

You so funny!

 

[PearlSUJam]

That's not gonna happen. Certain people don't want the public to know they facilitated Sandusky's escapades after he was bounced from the showers.

You mean since the shower in 1998, correct?

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

There are many who failed these children. The epicenter of reporting occurred at Penn State. The top three administrators failed these children. It was because of their in-action that no further action was taken.

This has been proven in a court of law and proven in the two guilty pleas. They endangered the welfare of children. It starts with them. Period. Full Stop.

You can't blame others without looking at where the report started - and stopped. Now you can blame Mike McQueary (and I have - wrote an entire piece on him from Sandusky's trial the day he testified) for not effectively communicating what he saw. But Mike McQueary DID NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE of 1998. C-S-and S did.

See the difference?

And it doesn't matter that it was unfounded in 1998 - it was enough to be reported then - and the 2001 episode now shows a pattern. As Spanier said - the only downside is if the message is not heard and then we are vulnerable for not reporting it.

He knew they should report it. They made a bad judgment call - and when you're at the top - when those calls go awry - the buck stops with you.

Give it a rest already Andrea. Why do you still post here? Your goal of convicting C/S/S has been accomplished and there is no longer any reason for you and the other trolls to be here

 

[Mixolydian]

No, what they were swayed by was Spanier's email saying "the only downside" was if Sandusky did not respond properly "and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."

12-0 for conviction.

But they weren't vulnerable if the kid or his parents came forward a week or a month later with allegations that the boy was abused by Sandusky in a Lasch shower. They were only vulnerable if Sandusky didn't hear the message. Makes perfect sense. Dipshit.

 

[L.T. Young]

You mean since the shower in 1998, correct?

Nope. Bruce Heim gave Sandusky access to a hotel gym and pool when he was bounced off campus in 2001.

And I believe he was aware of why Sandusky was booted.

 

[WeR0206]

But they weren't vulnerable if the kid or his parents came forward a week or a month later with allegations that the boy was abused by Sandusky in a Lasch shower. They were only vulnerable if Sandusky didn't hear the message. Makes perfect sense. Dipshit.

Yep. And apparently the admins had no concern that MM/JM/Dr. D could head over to TSM and blow up their "waterer down" story at any point.

This email makes no sense unless they are talking about an inappropriate shower vs child abuse.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Nope. Bruce Heim gave Sandusky access to a hotel gym and pool when he was bounced off campus in 2001.

And I believe he was aware of why Sandusky was booted.

No doubt. But all of these articles and comments from BOT, Freeh, etc. are bad for business. Seems to be a fracture somewhere.

 

[L.T. Young]

Yep. And apparently the admins had no concern that MM/JM/Dr. D could head over to TSM and blow up their "waterer down" story at any point.

This email makes no sense unless they are talking about an inappropriate shower vs child abuse.

They would have gone to TSM first instead of Joe if that were a realistic possibility.

Stop trying so hard. Just because something "could" happen doesn't make it realistic.

Once they told MM what they were doing, and he seemed fine with it, they were good regardless of what he reported. They would always be able to point back to "we told him what we were doing and he was ok with it, so it couldn't have been that serious".

I'm not accusing of them of it. I just think you're reaching a little.

 

[Mixolydian]

They would have gone to TSM first instead of Joe if that were a realistic possibility.

Stop trying so hard. Just because something "could" happen doesn't make it realistic.

Once they told MM what they were doing, and he seemed fine with it, they were good regardless of what he reported. They would always be able to point back to "we told him what we were doing and he was ok with it, so it couldn't have been that serious".

I'm not accusing of them of it. I just think you're reaching a little.

One of your dumbest posts ever among stiff competition. Project much?

 

[L.T. Young]

No doubt. But all of these articles and comments from BOT, Freeh, etc. are bad for business. Seems to be a fracture somewhere.

Freeh and Lord are on opposite sides.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Freeh and Lord are on opposite sides.

Understood. Why is Barron told to resign by Freeh when Barron is backed by the current appointed BOT much of whom were present and backed the famous report?