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Michigan - Alabama Citrus Bowl game thread

I will in 98 times out of 100 root against Mecheatagain. I dislike Alabama more than Mecheatagain. I want Mecheatagain to win. Then I will be able to brag about the great first half PSU had against.
 
Agree. Can someone explain how Minnesota and Michigan losing makes Penn State look better.
Them losing doesn’t help PSU I agree, but them winning doesn’t change the current perception either. Two years ago the BIG won 7 of 8 bowl games, and to my knowledge perception didn’t change because we’re having this conversation right now. It would take years of beat downs of SEC teams by BIG teams to change the National perception. And I’m certainly for that, but expecting the occasional good showing in bowls to change the opinions of legions of people is unrealistic.

Probably even harder for them to change short term final season rankings to a large degree, because their not going to overturn a seasons results based on one game. Especially when they have numerous pre planned excuses. Such as 1. Team was motivated. 2. NFL defections plus others. Hell I want us to be ranked as highly as possible, but at some point reality with respect to long term perception has to play a significant role.

Perception is also probably more rooted to individual teams as opposed to conferences. At the end of this game one team will have 4 losses and the other 3, but next year both will be ranked in the top 10 regardless of the outcome. My question is, how did the outcome of this game effect PSU either negatively or positively? Actually it doesn’t.
 
Ding, ding, ding.... we have a winner. Other b1g bushleague teams winning does not make PSU look better; OTOH, them losing is a competitive plus for PSU recruiting.
So beating bush league teams makes Penn State look better to recruits.
 
But third down pass was either incomplete or a fumble and was called neither.
 
That’s nice, however a win by Michigan is meaningless here regarding PSU. The season is over, finished, complete and done. Earth shattering decisions regarding rankings won’t flow from this. If you think one win is going to change National perception and sports writers and columnists love for the SEC you have not been paying attention since the dawn of the 21st century.

That's nice, but a win by Michigan is not meaningless.

B10 wins to close out this season will carry over into the preseason rankings next year. The SEC traditionally gets many higher ranked teams to start each season based upon Bama and SEC schools carrying over momentum from the previous season. Rudely ending the seasons of SEC schools WILL have an impact, especially when it is B10 teams that rudely end their seasons.
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That's nice, but a win by Michigan is not meaningless.

B10 wins to close out this season will carry over into the preseason rankings next year. The SEC traditionally gets many higher ranked teams to start each season based upon Bama and SEC schools carrying over momentum from the previous season. Rudely ending the seasons of SEC schools WILL have an impact, especially when it is B10 teams that rudely end their seasons.
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You just continue to assume that winning one game is going to change years of inbred perception from people that don’t view the World from blue and white tainted glasses. Believe whatever you wish if that makes you feel better.
 
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That's nice, but a win by Michigan is not meaningless.

B10 wins to close out this season will carry over into the preseason rankings next year. The SEC traditionally gets many higher ranked teams to start each season based upon Bama and SEC schools carrying over momentum from the previous season. Rudely ending the seasons of SEC schools WILL have an impact, especially when it is B10 teams that rudely end their seasons.
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But beating crap B10 teams is better than beating good B10 teams.
 
You just continue to assume that winning one game is going to change years of inbred perception from people that don’t view the World from blue and white tainted glasses. Believe whatever you wish if that makes you feel better.

Actually, you have no clue if I am assuming anything.

Winning will eventually change perception. And the B10, like any individual team or conference, needs to win one game at a time.

Pretty simple.

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Obviously it’s a good thing Bama didn’t make the CFP...they would have gotten rolled.
 
Michigan is in the thick of this game because their WR's can actually catch footballs.

If Michigan has any extra WR's that can catch......
 
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Shea Patterson 14/28 for 200 yards but ESPN guys think he’s having a great game for some reason
 
scUM playing them to a stand still is not what we needed or wanted. At this point even if scUM loses they unfortunately have put in a good, respectable showing.
 
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I’m confused why anyone is still watching this game...I flipped to the big ten network and they showed a highlight package of Michigan’s win over Bama. They were screaming how Quinn Nordin hit a game winning field goal to give Jim Harbaugh his signature win.

They followed it up with “This just in...they apparently are going to play the second half. I’m assuming this will be done as a scrimmage since we all know that per BTN rules, all Michigan needs to do is win ONE half of football to be claimed the victors”.
 
Agree. Can someone explain how Minnesota and Michigan losing makes Penn State look better.


You are assuming journalist have reasoning skills and are open minded about how they view the game. They don’t, they are narrative driven and warp everything to fit their narratives.

that being said, who people cheer for and who wins the game are independent of one another, so cheer for who you wish and be happy.
 
ESPN describing scUM's season. Lost to Wisconsin. Played a great second half against PSU but did just lose, lost to Ohio State.

Gotta have that qualifier in there because of the little known rule is if you win the 2nd half but not the game you get more credit than the team who won the game.
 
I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd like to see hairbaugh actually put a game plan together that stomps Bama. Just tired of the SEC bias and over rating of the SEC coming into each season, and when the B10 performs well against other conferences that helps PSU's strength of schedule and ultimate rankings....
This game will benefit both teams if Michigan wins....the media folks will simultaneously sell Michigan being a top 10 team and blame Bama’s loss on them not caring because they’re used to playing for championships. Both teams will benefit in a Michigan win. The beauty of ESPN talking heads.
 
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Michigan not used to getting these penalties.
scUM playing them to a stand still is not what we needed or wanted. At this point even if scUM loses they unfortunately have put in a good, respectable showing.
Certainly good enough for another Top 5 Pre-season ranking...:rolleyes:
 
If Bama can get another TD without scUM scoring it looks like a beat down for Jimmah at 35-16!
 
So beating a good Michigan team versus a crap Michigan team makes no difference?

Michigan winning or losing this game does not decide if they are a good team or a ‘cr@p’ team. It decides if there are 10-3 or 9-4 and that’s it.

Wake Forest losing to MSU makes no difference in how Clemson is seen. USC losing to Iowa makes no difference in how Oregon is seen. Michigan winning or losing this game makes no difference in how PSU is seen.
 
You are assuming journalist have reasoning skills and are open minded about how they view the game. They don’t, they are narrative driven and warp everything to fit their narratives.

I assumed nothing about journalist .

that being said, who people cheer for and who wins the game are independent of one another, so cheer for who you wish and be happy.
Of course rooting has nothing to do with the outcome. That wasn't my point.
 
ARCHETYPE. :eek:

Michigan and Alabama can be an archetype (or archetypal) of something, but to say they are "archtypes" (i.e., use archtypal as a noun when it is actually an adjective or archetype, a noun, with no clarification) is a complete misuse of the word... Fine work by a supposed "communications" professional, LMAO.
 
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Michigan winning or losing this game does not decide if they are a good team or a ‘cr@p’ team. It decides if there are 10-3 or 9-4 and that’s it.

Wake Forest losing to MSU makes no difference in how Clemson is seen. USC losing to Iowa makes no difference in how Oregon is seen. Michigan winning or losing this game makes no difference in how PSU is seen.

But PSU winning and finishing highly ranked (and scUM losing and finishing ranked much lower) could make a difference in recruiting.
 
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