My guess is they probably did not play board games very long, but I would be willing to bet whenever they saw anybody playing any type of game their first thought was I can beat them at that.
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Pretty sure he was calling you out for trashing the HR posters. Something about "bipolar", "silly", or "sh*t" must have rubbed him the wrong way for some reason.
I don't know. Maybe.
But honestly. A "what's wrong with Kemdawg" thread that is the equivalent to "what is wrong with our undefeated freshman" and offered more examples than just a poor third period against Iowa State is kinda silly as poop.
Without apology I do find those kind of threads to be silly as shit. Instead of assuming the obvious, train them hard all week and expect them to compete through the fatigue - it became what's wrong with him. Obviously nothing is wrong with him.
As far as bi-polar? Maybe manic-depressive? Same thing, but maybe it sounds better.
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It's just not a position I would take. We have our share of fans who do the same thing when a highly-touted wrestler isn't meeting certain expectations.
There should be no shame in having mental illnesses! Take it from a bi-polar, manic depressive, self-described board flipper who just downed an entire bottle of Niquil and has Donnie Iris' Greatest Hits playing in the background.
Thought I made it quite clear why I was calling you out. Can't have it both ways...either we are "delusional" as I have seen posted on here many times or we are mean to our own guys. Either way, we can't win since our board is so closely monitored by this one. Also, I mentioned two matches...the Griffin one as well and I could even throw in SDSU. Holler wrestled him tough in a 7-3 match. As far as being undefeated, are you guys not the one's who complain about Iowa's cupcake schedule in Nov and Dec? BTW, Joey Gunther was undefeated until Midlands too. Hope springs eternal after a tough, hard nosed Iowa Duals.
Truth was, Kemerer was not going for points like he normally did and this had some fans worried. Was he wrestling too heavy a weight etc? It's what a message board is for. He looked great at Midlands and I hope it gives him confidence going forward. He can stay with anybody in the country if he wrestles up to his capability (delusional) but it's going to be very tough to beat a guy like Nolf (realistic). I think the only reason you are not knocking Kemdawg is because he is a PA guy and you have a soft spot for him for a reason or two. Not dogging an Iowa guy for a "meh" performance is totally unlike you
Interesting comment that "if Berger is the class of 157" outside of Nolf the gap is very wide.
Paladin returns this week at the scuffle and we may see what rust he has to flake off but imo he is the top of the rest. I fully expect him to find his way to final vs Nolf. His funk style and penchant for un-named moves is exceeded only by Nolf. Nolf's blistering pace is a large part of what separates him, a feature that is often overlooked and definitely underrated. I do not excpect Palacio will be able to keep up, but a final with those two may produce those silliest head scratching moves ever in a final. lol.
Paladin returns this week at the scuffle and we may see what rust he has to flake off but imo he is the top of the rest. I fully expect him to find his way to final vs Nolf. His funk style and penchant for un-named moves is exceeded only by Nolf. Nolf's blistering pace is a large part of what separates him, a feature that is often overlooked and definitely underrated. I do not excpect Palacio will be able to keep up, but a final with those two may produce those silliest head scratching moves ever in a final. lol.
Ah....Leah.....is that you or are you sweet Merrilee??
Take into account Stieber just got back full use of his arms and didn't have that since the pan ams going into his junior year. If you watch a lot of Brandon Sorensen college matches especially against top guys you will be very bored
Donnie Iris? Cool. High and the Mighty was the walkout song for my wrestling team when I was in Jr. High. Lol. Fired me up!
Merilee was the follow up to Leah, so you know, rebound chick? By the time he got to his favorite girl, he just called her "MyGirl", so you know, what's in a name anyway?
Donnie of course tried his hand at wrestling I think for Ellwood City, but not quite sure, might have been beaver falls...
He went to Beaver Falls ( class of '61) Freshman year at Slippery Rock I lived in the same dorm as him. He always fronted the hottest frat band. Junior year?, it was Donnie and the Donnells. How could you guys forget The Rapper, his biggest hit.
Just got home and headed for bed shortly, but thought I would give you guys a few personal observations from a 2 day drunk/wrestling bender.
1. That arena is a dump and should be torn down. 2. Kem is fun to watch and will do great things in his career, but I don't think either of the two guys in that final will see an NCAA final this year. Mizzu kid and Cornell kid along with Jo Jo are all better at this piont imo. Kem about 5/th is my guess. Kem will beat berger by a bigger spread next time I think. 3. Young is way better than I thought. I really like his effort and he can scramble a bit. Nice kid too. 4. Mannicooti,marinelli,mustacha whatever is a grinder. Solid dude but won't shock me if young ends up the better of the 2 down the road. Looks 35 years old now, so not sure how much more he will mature. 5. Gilman had every right to be upset- he took a couple cheap shots for no reason. I thought he handled pretty well considering. 6. Stoll looks strong a healthy. Hurts him just trying for pushouts as his offense from nuetral- needs at least a snatch single. 7. the Valencia brothers are both tough guys, but the one at 174 is a freak. Sudden attacks to that single leg and strong as heck. I think he beats BoJo. 8. Wood is going to be a very good big guy down the road- quick for a fat kid. 9. Refs sucked most of the tournament. 10. Sorensen just wins- boring yes but very consistent and other than Zain he beats everyone else. 11. Who ate T-shirt and took on his likeness? If tv makes you look 10 lbs. fatter I don't want to see him wrestle on tv anytime soon. 12. Chad Red has some skill people, and he has freaky rubber body parts that bend all over the place. Nebby got a good one there. 13. Imar is lucky he is so strong because that would have been backs against anyone else. I need to see the replay as It looked like 2 nearfall live. Good night.
1. That arena is a dump and should be torn down. 2. Kem is fun to watch and will do great things in his career, but I don't think either of the two guys in that final will see an NCAA final this year. Mizzu kid and Cornell kid along with Jo Jo are all better at this piont imo. Kem about 5/th is my guess. Kem will beat berger by a bigger spread next time I think. 3. Young is way better than I thought. I really like his effort and he can scramble a bit. Nice kid too. 4. Mannicooti,marinelli,mustacha whatever is a grinder. Solid dude but won't shock me if young ends up the better of the 2 down the road. Looks 35 years old now, so not sure how much more he will mature. 5. Gilman had every right to be upset- he took a couple cheap shots for no reason. I thought he handled pretty well considering. 6. Stoll looks strong a healthy. Hurts him just trying for pushouts as his offense from nuetral- needs at least a snatch single. 7. the Valencia brothers are both tough guys, but the one at 174 is a freak. Sudden attacks to that single leg and strong as heck. I think he beats BoJo. 8. Wood is going to be a very good big guy down the road- quick for a fat kid. 9. Refs sucked most of the tournament. 10. Sorensen just wins- boring yes but very consistent and other than Zain he beats everyone else. 11. Who ate T-shirt and took on his likeness? If tv makes you look 10 lbs. fatter I don't want to see him wrestle on tv anytime soon. 12. Chad Red has some skill people, and he has freaky rubber body parts that bend all over the place. Nebby got a good one there. 13. Imar is lucky he is so strong because that would have been backs against anyone else. I need to see the replay as It looked like 2 nearfall live. Good night.
Of course I have a soft spot for the western PA kid, but while I poke fun at the Iowa fan(s) I don't think I disparage Iowa kids. Maybe some fun with Evans inability to step forward his senior year.Thought I made it quite clear why I was calling you out. Can't have it both ways...either we are "delusional" as I have seen posted on here many times or we are mean to our own guys. Either way, we can't win since our board is so closely monitored by this one. Also, I mentioned two matches...the Griffin one as well and I could even throw in SDSU. Holler wrestled him tough in a 7-3 match. As far as being undefeated, are you guys not the one's who complain about Iowa's cupcake schedule in Nov and Dec? BTW, Joey Gunther was undefeated until Midlands too. Hope springs eternal after a tough, hard nosed Iowa Duals.
Truth was, Kemerer was not going for points like he normally did and this had some fans worried. Was he wrestling too heavy a weight etc? It's what a message board is for. He looked great at Midlands and I hope it gives him confidence going forward. He can stay with anybody in the country if he wrestles up to his capability (delusional) but it's going to be very tough to beat a guy like Nolf (realistic). I think the only reason you are not knocking Kemdawg is because he is a PA guy and you have a soft spot for him for a reason or two. Not dogging an Iowa guy for a "meh" performance is totally unlike you
You are presenting awfully sensitive.
cool but that drinking may have impaired your thinking on point 7 , don't see jordon losing to anyone.
Zahid was rated higher, actually not positive on that, I think both were top 5 nationally and each #1 at respective weight
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Some random thoughts: 1. Montoya backed up his big mouth with a very impressive win over Richards. As someone once said...it ain't braggin' if it's true. 2. Kolodzik is fantastic as a true Frosh. Could win it all at 41. 3. It is unbelievably boring to watch Sorensen wrestle. It's actually painful to see someone who is so talented be so passive. The gap between he and Zain is even larger this year. 4. Kemerer was great, despite the non TD call. Speaking of gaps, the gap between 1 and 2 at 57 is Grand Canyon-like. 5. IMar is still great, but he is far from unbeatable.
If he doesn't wrestle he most assuredly isn't going to lose to anybody, but if he takes the mat he isn't beating the Valencia kid. The Valencia kid wrestles too much for BoJo. Bo spends too much time against the better guys just stalking.
Wow...appears folks on this board miss Penn State wrestling. Lots of emotion in this thread. January 6 is right around the corner.
And a couple thoughts (opinions only)...
Both takedown reviews were correctly made, though it didn't appear that way in real time, only when it was slowed down.
And a couple thoughts (opinions only)...
Both takedown reviews were correctly made, though it didn't appear that way in real time, only when it was slowed down.
Kemerer looked very good, very solid. Thought Berger had TD at end though. Don't think Kem's defense will work well on Nolf.
Jack from NC State looked very good as well as Kolodzik
Zahid V. is a solid, good wrestler. Would be interested in matchup with Hall, he could be a little too strong right now.
Thought Walsh should have had 2 backpoints on Imar. Imar just too strong.
Montoyo looked good.
Gilman - can't wait to see him vs. Suriano.
Retherford will skull f@&k Sorenson every time they meet.
Think we matchup well against Iowa, especially if Clark not in lineup.....even if he is as long as we don't give up 6.
184 a loaded class but have confidence in Bo.
Jack from NC State looked very good as well as Kolodzik
Zahid V. is a solid, good wrestler. Would be interested in matchup with Hall, he could be a little too strong right now.
Thought Walsh should have had 2 backpoints on Imar. Imar just too strong.
Montoyo looked good.
Gilman - can't wait to see him vs. Suriano.
Retherford will skull f@&k Sorenson every time they meet.
Think we matchup well against Iowa, especially if Clark not in lineup.....even if he is as long as we don't give up 6.
184 a loaded class but have confidence in Bo.
Chad Walsh wrestled Cenzo at the Keystone about as close as he wrestled IMar (it was Walsh's only other non-forfeit loss this season). Obviously doesn't man Cenzo can beat IMar but it's not bad news for Cenzo either--if IMar had tech'd Walsh I'd expect him to do the same to Cenzo. I don't think IMar was ever in trouble against Walsh but he wasn't dominant either; much closer than the Daniel Lewis decision. Will be interesting to see where he is against Logan Massa in a few weeks.
I'll agree I've often been bored . . . just increasingly bored with each season. Last night's match was rough to watch, especially knowing what he has ahead of him this season. Surely, he and his coaches don't believe being conservative and playing defense will be a successful stragegy to be champ?? There is no hiding from The Lion.
Looking at the bigger landscape, though, it's not just him. There is an all-too-common pattern with talented freshmen becoming increasingly conservative with each passing year, across multiple teams.
My main take away was how much I wish PSU was going to be at the Scuffle...
Outside of that:
125- Gilman is one of the only Hawkeyes that I don't mind watching wrestle. Although some of their younger guys I liked what I saw, so maybe that is finally changing?
141- Should be a really fun weight class at NCAAs. I have faith in JG, but this weight is looking tougher and tougher to a path to AA. Red and Kolodzik will be fun to watch moving forward.
149- Everything has been said already, Sorenson can make it look so easy but so rarely does it. That has to be maddening as an Iowa fan. I'll be interested to see Micah wrestling him.
157 - Kem will be a good one, but I'm not sure he presents a big challenge to Nolf the next couple years. Him and JoJo might have some good battles the next couple years.
165 - Walsh looked good, Imar is Imar though. He looks vulnerable at times but always finds a way to win. Way more exciting than Dake, but I get that feeling watching him. There's at least 3 or 4 matches a year where its really close but Imar always comes out on top.
174- Zahid is quite good.
184- Dudley looked tough, MyMar struggled on his feet in the matches I saw. That weight class is filled with tough dudes.
285- Stoll vs Nevills will be such a contrast in styes. Nick a little smaller with the quick shots, Stoll just big and strong.
Outside of that:
125- Gilman is one of the only Hawkeyes that I don't mind watching wrestle. Although some of their younger guys I liked what I saw, so maybe that is finally changing?
141- Should be a really fun weight class at NCAAs. I have faith in JG, but this weight is looking tougher and tougher to a path to AA. Red and Kolodzik will be fun to watch moving forward.
149- Everything has been said already, Sorenson can make it look so easy but so rarely does it. That has to be maddening as an Iowa fan. I'll be interested to see Micah wrestling him.
157 - Kem will be a good one, but I'm not sure he presents a big challenge to Nolf the next couple years. Him and JoJo might have some good battles the next couple years.
165 - Walsh looked good, Imar is Imar though. He looks vulnerable at times but always finds a way to win. Way more exciting than Dake, but I get that feeling watching him. There's at least 3 or 4 matches a year where its really close but Imar always comes out on top.
174- Zahid is quite good.
184- Dudley looked tough, MyMar struggled on his feet in the matches I saw. That weight class is filled with tough dudes.
285- Stoll vs Nevills will be such a contrast in styes. Nick a little smaller with the quick shots, Stoll just big and strong.
Regarding Martinez. The part about he always manages to come out on top - there will always be that one time get got stuck on bottom.
Got to see the Iowa young guys in multiple matches. My take:
Kemerer looked pretty good; 2 questions answered in my mind. First, the pace and length of that finals match would of tapped out anyone with a suspect tank. The ISU match looked like a continuation of some of his matches from last year but now it appears to be a one-off. Secondly, Kemerer was ranked #4 without any notable wins. I thought that was a bit generous however his Midlands performance seems to validate that ranking.
Maranelli has some work to do. I am always a little leery of guys known as "bulls" in high school with the risk being they won by physical dominance, not technique and speed which are essential at the Div I level. Jake Kemerer comes to mind. Definitely needs the redshirt and then I guess we'll see.
Young seems like a guy that works really hard and will get the most out of his god given talents however I question if he has the athleticism to excel at this level. 165 does seem like a better fit but I still don't think he's better then Maranelli (see above).
Kemerer looked pretty good; 2 questions answered in my mind. First, the pace and length of that finals match would of tapped out anyone with a suspect tank. The ISU match looked like a continuation of some of his matches from last year but now it appears to be a one-off. Secondly, Kemerer was ranked #4 without any notable wins. I thought that was a bit generous however his Midlands performance seems to validate that ranking.
Maranelli has some work to do. I am always a little leery of guys known as "bulls" in high school with the risk being they won by physical dominance, not technique and speed which are essential at the Div I level. Jake Kemerer comes to mind. Definitely needs the redshirt and then I guess we'll see.
Young seems like a guy that works really hard and will get the most out of his god given talents however I question if he has the athleticism to excel at this level. 165 does seem like a better fit but I still don't think he's better then Maranelli (see above).
Only saw the tail-end of the Kemerer-Berger match which is a terrible sample, around the part with the TD that was blatantly missed. Horrible no call. But you win the Midlands as a freshman you must be OK. Kind of reminding me of the St. John freshman year where he was clearly podium material but with a slight degree of separation at the very top - Nolf and JoJo are a bit above. Majoring T-Shirt is always impressive though, even if he's at an unfamiliar weight.
Marinelli got rocked by IMar as a true frosh so I can't hold too much against him. Didn't see the Valencia match but sounds like he just got outhustled from the start, which is correctable. But taking 4th at the Midlands as a true freshman is pretty good.
Also encouraging for the Hawks is Brooks coming back for 3rd. On the right day he could be a top 4 guy. Meyer is who he is. Would've liked to see Young at 74 cause that's likely where he's going (I'd assume). 5th is pretty good, again as a true frosh. Good to see Stoll healthy again. 97 will be lucky to NQ. They also need Clark back and 41 is looking OK, but OK is not gonna cut it in the title race.
Just waking up...and my head hurts for some reason...
Here's a little story of reflection as I believe two brothers were inducted into the Midlands Hall of Fame just yesterday. Seems that during their early competitive years, one of them suffered a loss at the tournament. Terry and Tom were relatively unknown, young, budding, collegiate wrestlers at the time. Midlands back then was arguably the most competitive tournament in the USA next to the Olympic trials, so there's no shame to be had. I believe it was Terry who, in a show of stamina, muscular endurance, and perseverance(?) completely dismantled the Northwestern locker room for all to hear. Yes, it was that loud! Everyone in the gym heard the shocking tapestry of words that flowed. A Crashing, smashing, steel falling eruption of emotion, laced with a cacophony of furnace fighting language. Like a dog hearing a unique sound for the first time, most of the patrons tilted their heads in disbelief. Old ladies cried and young children learned new words. I even learned a new one!
I believe...I believe a lot things that aren't true...but, one I'm confident of is that the award given last night was in part due to that performance.
Here's a little story of reflection as I believe two brothers were inducted into the Midlands Hall of Fame just yesterday. Seems that during their early competitive years, one of them suffered a loss at the tournament. Terry and Tom were relatively unknown, young, budding, collegiate wrestlers at the time. Midlands back then was arguably the most competitive tournament in the USA next to the Olympic trials, so there's no shame to be had. I believe it was Terry who, in a show of stamina, muscular endurance, and perseverance(?) completely dismantled the Northwestern locker room for all to hear. Yes, it was that loud! Everyone in the gym heard the shocking tapestry of words that flowed. A Crashing, smashing, steel falling eruption of emotion, laced with a cacophony of furnace fighting language. Like a dog hearing a unique sound for the first time, most of the patrons tilted their heads in disbelief. Old ladies cried and young children learned new words. I even learned a new one!
I believe...I believe a lot things that aren't true...but, one I'm confident of is that the award given last night was in part due to that performance.
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I've see him play maybe 25 times and not once did he sing my favorite Donnie Iris song "High and the Mighty". I'm not sure what the deal is with that. Weird..
I would've liked to see how Carter Happel would've done against the Midlands field. Think pulling HIS shirt alongside either Marinelli's or Young's would've been a good idea had he performed well at Midlands (but both would've had to have been pulled for it to make sense, IMO). As it is, I think the Hawks are probably one wrestler short.
I watched Tom Brands post tourney interview last night. I didn't realized the Hawks had a real grinder of a schedule the 2nd half of January. I guess the good part for them is that PSU and tOSU are at their place.
I think 3 team losses in a row will break them mentally.
I think 3 team losses in a row will break them mentally.
I think the album was sort of rushed. I say this without any inside knowledge, but the band had just finished "King Cool" in late 1981 for MCA, and they worked 4 BIG singles from that album, and BAM, suddenly in July 1982, "The High and The Mighty" comes out, barely 8 months after King Cool. At that time, the normal thing was a 1 to 2 year lapse between albums, so the companies could market and fully exhaust every tour between albums...
Just my thoughts on it. I thought both albums were great, but I thought KIng Cool was more balanced and a bit deeper.
I saw the Valencia Brothers open up for Donnie Iris and The Cruisers back in the day. GREAT live show! They had sort of a "Santana kind of sound", and didn't need any bouncers by the stage, because if anyone rushed the stage and tried to jump on, they would get a full body slam/pancake/cement mixer thrown at them.
Donnie's daughter went to IUP when I was there. Had a few drinks with her and a mutual friend one night. She was very hot and very cool.
Dominic Ierace was born in New Castle, Pennsylvania, but grew up in Ellwood City, Pennsylvania.[1] The son of father Sam and mother Carrie Ierace, young Dominic began to learn how to sing at an early age from his mother, who had sung in Curly Venezie's orchestra. He practiced earlier on by singing along with his mother's favorite singers, Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett. Per his mother's encouragement, Ierace began singing at weddings at age five, and by eight was performing on local television and entering talent contests.[2]
Over time, Ierace began to develop his own interests in music with the advent of rock music, drawing inspiration from Elvis Presley and Buddy Holly and later from the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and even R&B and soul artists Marvin Gaye and Ray Charles in addition to other Motown acts. The popularity of rock and roll inspired Ierace to become a self-taught guitarist. When his voice changed around age 12, he gave up singing and took up the drums.
About the time he was a senior in high school (circa 1961), Ierace's voice changed again, and he got back into singing. He formed a vocal doo-wop group called the Fabutons with Johnny Roth, Anthony Matteo, Lou Delessandro and Chuckie Hasson and performed gigs around Beaver and Lawrence counties in Pennsylvania. However, the group only performed a few times before they disbanded and Ierace went to college.
While attending Slippery Rock State College, Ierace formed a band called the Tri-Vels with guitarist Jim Evans and drummer Dave Amodie, two fellow students at Slippery Rock. With the addition of bassist Dave Reiser, they renamed themselves Donnie and the Donnells. This band in both incarnations played R&B and pop rock covers at fraternity parties and lasted from about 1961 to 1964.
Just a little history...Ya know I never knew he was with Wild Cherry! As such, my words of advice for today are as follows: Lay down the boogie and play that funky music 'til you die.
