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MM at 165

Yes, you are correct. Your description would be a little smoother sip of whiskey.
But there are many possibilities.
165 was getting to be a tough cut and is focusing on 174 next year is another possibility.
Finding "something to do" was probably not how Alex would describe it.
Not just another possibility, but likely the truth. (If we can trust Cael. ;))

“This was something he was excited for the opportunity to do. When it looked like we knew Carter was coming back ...he wasn’t going to be able to go at 174,” Sanderson said. “It gave him the opportunity to take advantage of this time, and train up some freestyle.”

 
Well I for one was looking forward to seeing an improved Alex Facundo this year do some damage.

I hope he stays focused and loyal and comes back next year with a new arsenal from neutral after a focus on freestyle.

The most basic things are true. You can't win a national championship if you are not first, the best in your own room. MM coming in and beating him is a barometer and proof that he still isn't ready, no matter how bitter that pill is to swallow.

Now if Carter wins #4 and the draw to get that only once in history #5 gets too strong to resist, then Houston we have a problem.
 
FWIW, I am a huge fan of Facundo sitting this year out. He was at 170 in his senior year of high school so making 165 probably was not getting any easier. Alex remains a high-ceiling prospect and I am excited to see him at 174 post-Starocci.
He's setting himself up to have to beat out Barr, Ryder, and Sealey in the future instead of Haines and Mesenbrink.
 
Valid questions that unfortunately went off the rails quickly. Mesenbrink and O'Toole are training partners at the Askren Wrestling Academy. Ben has (wisely) never mentioned who gets the better of who on any of his podcasts to my knowledge.

FWIW, I am a huge fan of Facundo sitting this year out. He was at 170 in his senior year of high school so making 165 probably was not getting any easier. Alex remains a high-ceiling prospect and I am excited to see him at 174 post-Starocci.

As for Mitchell at 165, he appeared undersized at Journeyman. Could just be me but Levi looked huge for a 157. Maybe Haines is remaining at 157 because it is a more feasible path to a championship. Just a thought.
With zero inside information I’d bet Levi won the spot at 157 much like Mitch won the spot at 165

In absence of any real info I’m not sure how one concludes anything else.

Be interesting to see if you think Haines looks bigger when he wrestles teemer in a few days .

For kicks I took Levi’s and MM’s stock photo from this year joined them together and Mitch looks bigger to me Atleast from the chest up . I decided pretty quick it was a wasted effort but amusing non the less.
 
He's setting himself up to have to beat out Barr, Ryder, and Sealey in the future instead of Haines and Mesenbrink.
Well to be fair he had no choice , his choice comes when the portal opens up again .

I wish him the best regardless of his decision.
 
Well to be fair he had no choice , his choice comes when the portal opens up again .

I wish him the best regardless of his decision.
Disloyal Cael recruiting over him with the #1 overall recruits in the country. He should have left them for Iowa. LOL.

Like Beard, if he leaves, I hope he comes in second in nationals wherever he goes.
 
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Anyone see AFac or Mess winning 165 this year?
High likelihood that either guy would have to beat BOTH Carr and KOT at nats. Now thats a tall task.
Maybe Facundo is making the smarter move.

Now that Mess has declined his ORS, he wont be around to get one in ‘28, right?
I second the nickname Mess until a better one, one the teammates come up with maybe.
 
This one got me pretty good, not gonna lie. I enjoy a good burn as much as the next guy. In my defense for the 1000th time, Ben Askren, he who's camp is crushing it, and Seed King, self-proclaimed knower of all things wrestling, also agree about the roster stuff. Also, I just contacted PSU about the roster. Even though they were the last school in the entire country to post an updated roster, somehow with all that time to get it right, they messed it up. They had Kelly's bio attached to Connor Pierce. It is fixed now and while I may b*tch and moan, my motivation is pure, I want the Blue and White to be the best at everything, always. In fact, I have contacted someone there regarding some changes to the website to make it a better fan experience. So once you all are done busting my balls, take a moment to consider anything that you think would improve the fan experience and I can pass it along. It occurred to me that if at any time I'm looking for information about our wrestlers, the PSU Wrestling site is the absolute last place I look. I would it to be the first place, to be like more of a HUB for information about our guys. One thing I think would be cool is having a link to their high school record for PA that would be https://www.pa-wrestling.com/wrestler_search.htm. Just spit ballin'. All suggestions welcome...even from some of you grumpy f*cks out there because you still know a sh*t-ton about wrestling.
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This one got me pretty good, not gonna lie. I enjoy a good burn as much as the next guy. In my defense for the 1000th time, Ben Askren, he who's camp is crushing it, and Seed King, self-proclaimed knower of all things wrestling, also agree about the roster stuff. Also, I just contacted PSU about the roster. Even though they were the last school in the entire country to post an updated roster, somehow with all that time to get it right, they messed it up. They had Kelly's bio attached to Connor Pierce. It is fixed now and while I may b*tch and moan, my motivation is pure, I want the Blue and White to be the best at everything, always. In fact, I have contacted someone there regarding some changes to the website to make it a better fan experience. So once you all are done busting my balls, take a moment to consider anything that you think would improve the fan experience and I can pass it along. It occurred to me that if at any time I'm looking for information about our wrestlers, the PSU Wrestling site is the absolute last place I look. I think it should be the first, to be like more of a HUB for information about our guys. One thing I think would be cool is having a link to their high school record, for PA that would be https://www.pa-wrestling.com/wrestler_search.htm. Just spit ballin'. All suggestions welcome...even from some of you grumpy f*cks out there because you still know a sh*t-ton about wrestling.
Ì suggest a prerequisite for posting privileges. Posters should be born before the Cael Era began.
 
Anyone see AFac or Mess winning 165 this year?
High likelihood that either guy would have to beat BOTH Carr and KOT at nats. Now thats a tall task.
Maybe Facundo is making the smarter move.

Now that Mess has declined his ORS, he wont be around to get one in ‘28, right?
Right? Winning that weight class would itself be a brutal endeavor but I'm the d*ckhead for stating the obvious that Dake and Sidakov are beyond troublesome.
 
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Mitchell looked smaller than all 3 guys he wrestled last weekend. As talented as he is I suspect there may be a body type he has trouble with.....especially early on. Last year Dean would beat quality wrestlers like Warner but have significant trouble against certain guys that Warner would beat. Dean was smaller than just about everyone he wrestled. The good news is that March is a long way off. 5-7 lbs. of muscle is not out of the question. In any event his skill and gas tank will make him a tough out for anyone. It is scary to think that this year will almost certainly be the "worst" version of Mitchell we see. Gonna be fun to watch!
 
Did you infer the Carter part from the comments about facundo getting bigger to go up ?
That’s weird, I swear at the end of the video that I watched earlier, Cael said something about waiting until Carter knew he was coming back to make the decision.

It’s in this post and the article though;
Not just another possibility, but likely the truth. (If we can trust Cael. ;))

“This was something he was excited for the opportunity to do. When it looked like we knew Carter was coming back ...he wasn’t going to be able to go at 174,” Sanderson said. “It gave him the opportunity to take advantage of this time, and train up some freestyle.”

 
Mitchell looked smaller than all 3 guys he wrestled last weekend. As talented as he is I suspect there may be a body type he has trouble with.....especially early on. Last year Dean would beat quality wrestlers like Warner but have significant trouble against certain guys that Warner would beat. Dean was smaller than just about everyone he wrestled. The good news is that March is a long way off. 5-7 lbs. of muscle is not out of the question. In any event his skill and gas tank will make him a tough out for anyone. It is scary to think that this year will almost certainly be the "worst" version of Mitchell we see. Gonna be fun to watch!
He might not be the biggest guy at 165, but he just won a U23 world championship at 74 kg (163 lb) by teching his way through the competition.
 
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This one got me pretty good, not gonna lie. I enjoy a good burn as much as the next guy. In my defense for the 1000th time, Ben Askren, he who's camp is crushing it, and Seed King, self-proclaimed knower of all things wrestling, also agree about the roster stuff. Also, I just contacted PSU about the roster. Even though they were the last school in the entire country to post an updated roster, somehow with all that time to get it right, they messed it up. They had Kelly's bio attached to Connor Pierce. It is fixed now and while I may b*tch and moan, my motivation is pure, I want the Blue and White to be the best at everything, always. In fact, I have contacted someone there regarding some changes to the website to make it a better fan experience. So once you all are done busting my balls, take a moment to consider anything that you think would improve the fan experience and I can pass it along. It occurred to me that if at any time I'm looking for information about our wrestlers, the PSU Wrestling site is the absolute last place I look. I think it should be the first, to be like more of a HUB for information about our guys. One thing I think would be cool is having a link to their high school record, for PA that would be https://www.pa-wrestling.com/wrestler_search.htm. Just spit ballin'. All suggestions welcome...even from some of you grumpy f*cks out there because you still know a sh*t-ton about wrestling.
Ducky, there’s a lot of ball busting between posters here. It mostly seems good natured and fun. And many of us bitch and moan about the timeliness of the roster coming out …

But when you throw shade at one of the wrestlers or their family - that crosses a line and results in harsh blowback like the one that you said ‘got me pretty good’. We know families read and post on this board.…. think before you post that crap.
 
Ducky, there’s a lot of ball busting between posters here. It mostly seems good natured and fun. And many of us bitch and moan about the timeliness of the roster coming out …

But when you throw shade at one of the wrestlers or their family - that crosses a line and results in harsh blowback like the one that you said ‘got me pretty good’. We know families read and post on this board.…. think before you post that crap.
So is Fecundo shirting because he feels he's got a shot at a medal or because it's a good way to "spend his time" productively while preserving eligibility? I'm beginning to think this isn't a place for critical thinking at all but instead just an echo chamber.
 
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I could see Mesenbrink looking small being the new stubbornly-held opinion on here. A meme on the level of Kerk’s hammy

He’s at a weight class that is a massive 2 lbs heavier than where he wrestled this summer!!!! That’s a gulf wider than the Grand Canyon!!!

His arms look noodly too.
 
So is Fecundo shirting because he feels he's got a shot at a medal or because it's a good way to "spend his time" productively while preserving eligibility? I'm beginning to think this isn't a place for critical thinking at all but instead just an echo chamber.
There are more ways to make the point you are trying to make without simultaneously inferring Alex’s dad is a liar and taking a dookie on a world-class freestyler’s dreams than you seem to either:

A) realize: you are new here so take the free advice.

B) care about: you are guns, so take a hike.
 
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Not Guns but considering all the hate he got on here, he sounds like he must have been a pretty reasonable dude. Sh*tting on his dreams? I'm sure he has had these aspirations since elementary school at least and if his Dad had sent out a Tweet in 2nd grade that his child was about to make an Olympic run, any response other than all in would make me some kind of jerk? I wouldn't say it to his or his father's face because that would be rude but I can't talk about it at all because someone may catch wind of it? Gimme a break. It's not his time yet and being a pragmatist is not stifling someone's goals. He's not doing this because he thinks he has a chance. He's doing this to gain experience while out of the rotation so to speak. For grown ass men you guys spend a lot of time telling other people how to behave and think. Echo chamber.
 
Disloyal Cael recruiting over him with the #1 overall recruits in the country. He should have left them for Iowa. LOL.

Like Beard, if he leaves, I hope he comes in second in nationals wherever he goes.
Cael recruits the best if you can't beat them out then so be it!
 
So is Fecundo shirting because he feels he's got a shot at a medal or because it's a good way to "spend his time" productively while preserving eligibility? I'm beginning to think this isn't a place for critical thinking at all but instead just an echo chamber.
you mean Facundo get to your thinking critically LOL just foolin!
 
Not Guns but considering all the hate he got on here, he sounds like he must have been a pretty reasonable dude. Sh*tting on his dreams? I'm sure he has had these aspirations since elementary school at least and if his Dad had sent out a Tweet in 2nd grade that his child was about to make an Olympic run, any response other than all in would make me some kind of jerk? I wouldn't say it to his or his father's face because that would be rude but I can't talk about it at all because someone may catch wind of it? Gimme a break. It's not his time yet and being a pragmatist is not stifling someone's goals. He's not doing this because he thinks he has a chance. He's doing this to gain experience while out of the rotation so to speak. For grown ass men you guys spend a lot of time telling other people how to behave and think. Echo chamber.
It's all about tone, man. As I said above, there are many ways to bring up your feelings of Alex's chances of making the Olympic team. @js8793 makes arguments like these about Alex's upside regularly, and with tact and class, for example. Quoting his dad's tweet of support for his son to say he's FOS is among the least tactful and classy ways to do it. Especially since we all know there are athletes' dads who read (and post on) this forum--it's not all that different from saying it to his face. I doubt very much any of them care in the least what you think--but that's not the point. Yes, this community has some standards, and we will call you on it when you seem to delight in twisting them.

Your admit-no-fault, deny-you're guns (who by the way is a great guy!) defensive word salad makes the case you are in fact him all the stronger in my view. In either case, maybe find a different hobby?
 
His goal for this year should be to get as big as possible imo. I think he might have more success if he can grow into his frame. He’s built like DT. I think that’s his best path back to the lineup too.

Get big, get healthy, retool your style.
 
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