My challenge to the Paterno haters and their BS logic
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How can this be true? After all, this was a culture that cared first and foremost about winning football games. How could we fall behind in conditioning and analyzing? Surely they had hundreds of kids they could traffic to third world countries to pay for a conditioning coach, right? Sounds like that coach is just being jealous.
Careful what you wish for. Under that scenario, pretty good chance JS is promoted to head coach.
I love PSU's current attacking offense and defense. It is fun football to watch win or lose.
At the rate Franklin is recruiting, there will be much more of the former. The days of six
to four losses to Iowa are over. A not so fun read.
http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/...er-reliving-worst-college-football-game-ever/
Ganter would have been the pick in 1995. A few years later he got a knife in the back.
Debate you? You are Fun reincarnate. You have to resort to putting words in your opponents mouths out of desperation. And if someone says limes are green and you disagree, your comeback is but cherries are red since you can't disprove the assertion. Childish tactics are all you know since you are mostly on the wrong side of every argument just like Fun. You've already made a fool of yourself today so quit while you are behind.
I agree, they were hateful. My point is that the situation, i.e. their relationship with Paterno, didn't turn toxic overnight or even in the immediate aftermath of the GJP. Obviously the relationship was badly damaged for such actions to occur. I'm talking years and years of ill will built up on both sides. I put some, and I emphasize some, of that ill will on Paterno.
Like everything in this situation it's not black and white....it's many shades of grey.
In no way am I saying that Joe got what he deserved...that's ridiculous. But did he miscalculate how damaged the relationship was...yes, I think he and his family did to a certain extent. And could he have done more to mend fences so that maybe more BoT members would have stood behind him at the moment of truth...yes, I think he could have.
Those opinions are reasonable.
How old are you? Are you too young to remember or old enough to have Alzheimer's?
After the 1994 season Ganter was a hot commodity on the coaching front and supposedly
MSU really wanted him as their HC. Ganter passed and most believe it was because he was promised the HC job at PSU after Joe retired. Around 1999 Paterno hired Jaypa as QB
coach. Shortly after that, Ganter was "promoted" to Assistant HC in charge of nothing.
No OC was named and apparently Jaypa took over the offense which helped usher in the
dark years. Ganter realized he would never be HC and wound up pushing paper until he retired.
Osprey I remember certain events and remarks. I was simply asking for your insights. Appreciate the follow up.
QUOTE="Osprey Lion, post: 2898454, member: 8798"]How old are you? Are you too young to remember or old enough to have Alzheimer's?
After the 1994 season Ganter was a hot commodity on the coaching front and supposedly
MSU really wanted him as their HC. Ganter passed and most believe it was because he was promised the HC job at PSU after Joe retired. Around 1999 Paterno hired Jaypa as QB
coach. Shortly after that, Ganter was "promoted" to Assistant HC in charge of nothing.
No OC was named and apparently Jaypa took over the offense which helped usher in the
dark years. Ganter realized he would never be HC and wound up pushing paper until he retired.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE="Osprey Lion, post: 2898454, member: 8798"]How old are you? Are you too young to remember or old enough to have Alzheimer's?
After the 1994 season Ganter was a hot commodity on the coaching front and supposedly
MSU really wanted him as their HC. Ganter passed and most believe it was because he was promised the HC job at PSU after Joe retired. Around 1999 Paterno hired Jaypa as QB
coach. Shortly after that, Ganter was "promoted" to Assistant HC in charge of nothing.
No OC was named and apparently Jaypa took over the offense which helped usher in the
dark years. Ganter realized he would never be HC and wound up pushing paper until he retired.[/QUOTE]
Serious question. In what decade did seven figure boosters start to come into play in big time college football?
Hogwash. I have watched that play dozens of times. Scirotto was playing the ball and the receiver went right through him after he was already in the air playing the ball. Horrible call.
That's fine to think it's not pass interference.
Many other things to point to as regards our loss though:
(1) the predictably conservative playcalling on 1st and 2nd down when we were at the Iowa 22 on the previous drive (typical of our offensive "strategy" in the 2000s: get conservative when it counted most). That was the time to go for the throat and instead we twaddled around.
(2) Darryl Clark's horrific interception when we were then forced to throw on 3rd down and long, and
(3) the defense allowing Iowa to get four more first downs on the drive even after the pass interference.
I thought Shark Week was over.
Hammerheads as far as the eye can see still. Go figure.
Hammerheads as far as the eye can see still. Go figure.
One of you made a fool of yourself. Hint: it wasn't Obliviax.
He would clean your clock in a debate, as would most on this board. Your low IQ clearly shines through. Debate getmyjive. You'd have a puncher's chance...
JoePa haters have no soul. They are destined to end up in hell with Surma, Emmert, Peete, Frazier, Freeh and the rest.
Let's go with that. Under your scenario, let's say Ganter keeps JS on staff as his DC. How does everything play out from there?
Might be time to "move on" from Iowa. We crushed them last season. Even with an "average coach".
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I have Osprey on ignore, but the way Dukie formatted this I can see what he wrote. Dukie, I'm sure you know this or can correct anything where my memory is faulty.
But, from memory, such as it is:
Fran Ganter at first accepted, then declined the MSU job a couple days later. He and his family did not want to leave Happy Valley (much like JVP and Sue in the 70s). Could be he was told he would be the first option as the HC to succeed Joe. That has been debated in the past, but certainly seems likely.
Ganter remained as OC until he was pushed to the Admin position (Director of Football Ops, I think?) around '04 or so. Keep in mind that at some point back then, Ganter's wife passed away unexpectedly. Many people lose their drive when something like that happens. Don't know if that was the case with Fran or not, but could well have played into all this.
Galen Hall was named the OC when Fran moved to Ops. He may have been here a season or two earlier, I'm not sure. Jay was in charge of the passing game as QB coach; Hall in charge of running game as RB Coach. Jay was given a co-OC title at some point, but initially Hall was the sole OC after Fran. Hall was considered one of the top OCs in the country prior to coming to PSU.
Joe said that bringing Jay onto the staff after his stints at UConn and UVa was done with the consent and input of all the assistants. In fact, he asked George Welsh for input on Jay regarding his time at UVa. None of the assts feared for their jobs over disagreeing with Joe, so they were able to speak their minds. Whether that good feeling continued throughout all of Jay's time is unlikely from the stories we hear. It was clear that Jay was NOT going to be HC after Joe. Joe set up his assistants with contracts that would take care of them if they were retained or if they were let go with the new HC.
Btw, I heard from an ex-player back around the spring of 2011 that it was widely believed that Bradley would get the HC job, and that he would name McQ the OC. Don't have any other verification of that.
There's a lot of urban legend around Jay. He may not have been the greatest asst coach / recruiting coord, but he was far from the worst. Like many or most sons who coach alongside their fathers, he caught a lot of unsubstantiated and unwarranted flak. Coaches are a collection of mostly Type A personalities, so clashes are gonna happen in the coaches' meetings.
Really. I mean, who would have run the sticky note over to Fran's house to tell him to call Surma?
The Big 10 was a joke Paterno's last few years.
Saban and Meyer changed how programs were run in the SEC.
Why do you think Bowden was forced out after one year with Fisher as coach in waiting? Bowden wouldn't change his defensive philosophy among other things.
Why do you think Al Golden wasn't hired at Penn State over an SEC coach? One understands the importance of change and the other had the worst DC in P5 football attached at the hip.
My God, Lane Kiffin had to fire his HOF at USC because the game had passed him by.
Joe stayed too long, and the scandal had nothing to do with it.
I'll ask this again in regards to this post. In what decade did seven figure boosters start to come into play in big time college football? Was it the 2000's?
How is Saban doing in the SEC what he could not do in the B10. How did he make this quantum leap?
Maybe not 7 figures, but wealthy donors have always been key. That's how blue bloods became blue bloods.
Now it's about the arms race of facilities and coaching staffs. With so much money to be made through TV contracts and bowl revenue programs are forced to continually upgrade. In the mid 2000's is when it got crazy.
What led to Saban's knowledge of running a program changing so much from MSU. .......
That's around the time the push was on to ouster Bowden, Paterno, and Holtz. It wasn't only about football anymore. It is how much $ can be made off of football. Something like, "Get these old guy's out of here, there's money to be made".
I agree Joe held on too long, but he deserved better than what Surma and those a-holes did to him.
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LSU was a better situation and they were committed to winning a championship.
The talent pool in LA is unreal. He had an increased budget for everything. Lower academic standards.
Same reason Meyer picked UF over ND.
My high school vice principal played for The University of Florida in what I'm guessing was the mid 70's? He said when he and the players went to the "gentlemen's clubs" they would sit down and there would be a stack of bills in front of them ready to go. Bag men 40+ years ago and still keeping with tradition now.BAG. MEN.
So what did the person I've never heard of, on a show that I didn't know existed, have to say?
Whatever it was, if it wasn't about a person named Obama or Clinton, it was whining.
