National Duals set

[Tom McAndrew]

From the NWCA Press Release:

“The National Duals Selection Committee really should be commended after they faced numerous challenges,” said Moyer. “When setting matchups, you had to be aware of the host institutions challenges with facilities and putting events on an open spot in the busy weekend calendar. You also had those concerns from visiting teams as it related to travel, missed class time, previously scheduled dual meets, and other challenges as it relates to preparing for the NCAA postseason. The committee worked through those challenges to accommodate the teams’ needs as well as to pair teams up as competitively as possible.”

...

Saturday’s only dual will see Eastern Wrestling League champion and 23rd-ranked Edinboro (8-5) host third-ranked Iowa (12-2) at McComb Fieldhouse at 7 p.m. Eastern. The Fighting Scots went 6-0 in league competition, while the Hawkeyes were 8-1 in the Big Ten, finishing second behind regular-season champion Penn State. Iowa is 7-0 all-time against Edinboro. Flowrestling will carry the stream of this dual.

“There’s a lot of history between these two programs,” said Moyer. “When Edinboro made its commitment to its wrestling program in the 1980s, there was a lot of Iowa influence there. It’s also a great David and Goliath type of story with Iowa from the Big Ten and Edinboro, a small Division II school in Northwest Pennsylvania. Wrestling fans know Edinboro as a Division I force in wrestling, but for everything else, Edinboro is Division II. As far as the matchup goes, Edinboro had the opening for a Saturday dual and that’s what Iowa was looking for and our committee, with all the moving parts with scheduling, felt this was the best way to accommodate.”

A show of hands for how many believe Mike Moyer's version of how this match came to be.

The full press release is available at THIS LINK.

 

[dunkej01]

Cael: ... based on a simple policy we all agreed to ...

Now we know that Brands is a man who cannot distinguish between his personal interests and his duty to his obligations. Never, ever, choose such a man to be a trustee or leader of anything big. Such a man is good for being an individual contributor or small-team leader, but not for being a leader who is entrusted with a greater, collective good.

One noticeable difference will be that TI'm foley will comment on this but not UWW scandal.

 

[Dogwelder]

How is what Brands is doing behind the scenes any different from the behind-the-scenes corruption at the Olympics?

That was a ~rhetorical question. It's not different, in terms of milking official power to blatantly flout rules, for satisfying purely personal interests.

[sorry, dunke, for extracting this Olympics comparison from my previous post into its own post, thereby making your reply seem prescient. ]

 

[pawrestlersintn]

 

[jtothemfp]

From NWCA press release, authored by Jason Bryant:

Sunday’s finale features four big duals, highlighted by Penn State at Oklahoma State at 3 p.m. Central and streamed live on Flowrestling and aired on television tape-delay by Fox College Sports.
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Anybody care to parse?

 

[Lion8286]

Kevin Dresser retweeted this.

 

[yekrut321]

Why bother getting worked up?! We didn't like the old format and didn't participate. We even picked fun at it. Now that we're involved in the new format...why are we getting our undies in a bunch about who is and who isn't? I see it as a good thing....further laying to bed a hope for a dual national champion. We made fun of jammie for making national dual champion t-shirts....how many of you went out and bought a PSU national dual champion t-shirt? I sure didn't.

However, on the flip side, it is nice for our guys to pick up an additional quality dual.

 

[NittanyLion84]

The system gave us a true #1 vs #2 and will crown a true champ.

The only problem I see is what will eventually happen. Say down the road the 1&2 teams are OSU and tOSU and in 7 of the weights, OSU are the strong favorites. I could easily see Ryan telling the committee he won't wrestle OSU, concerned about the effect it would have on his wrestlers seeds and chances, at the NCAA's.

 

[Pennstate1985]

A show of hands for how many believe Mike Moyer's version of how this match came to be.

Sometimes it's better to leave the decisions to the imagination than get caught in these sort of contortions.

 

[Dogwelder]

Cael: ... based on a simple policy we all agreed to ...

Now we know that Brands is a man who cannot distinguish between his personal interests and his duty to his obligations. Never, ever, choose such a man to be a trustee or leader of anything big. Such a man can be good for being an individual contributor or small-team leader, but not for being a leader who is entrusted with a greater, collective good.

I thought the Brands were just good at *handling* me-only individual contributors (e.g., Gilman, Ramos, Cejudo). I did not realize that Tom himself was such a person to this degree.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

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That's a kick right in the soft parts.

 

[jammenz]

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"we all" lol

 

[El-Jefe]

"we all" lol

Minnesota: first quitters.

 

[Dogwelder]

... Now we know that Brands is a man who cannot distinguish between his personal interests and his duty to his obligations. Never, ever, choose such a man to be a trustee or leader of anything big. Such a man can be good for being an individual contributor or small-team leader, but not for being a leader who is entrusted with a greater, collective good.

In 100% sincerity and without hyperbole, I would never send a college-aged kid of mine to a team led by such a role model as Tom. At college age, a kid might be dreaming of leading big things--companies, divisions, armies. A guy whose ceiling is sergeant in a squad would not be enough of a role model.

 

[Real-Lion]

Any respect I had for Brands is gone. The dual should be scheduled. If Iowa doesn't go, it should be reflected as a loss on each wrestler's record for seeding purposes and a dual loss for Iowa. Committee has no balls.

Your right.....Brands needs to get out....Completely out !!!! No wonder a lot of Iowa fans want him to go....

 

[Lyco1990]

JS should post on HR. I ma afraid i would be banned... oh wait.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Still don't get why UNL is acting as "stand-in" for Iowa versus VaTech rather than the Tan Crew...

 

[mcruny42]

I ultimately do not care who Iowa does or does not wrestle, but I could see the frustration of Cael and others who thought they had a system agreed upon to only see teams changing their minds mid way through the process.

 

[PSU Mike]

That's a kick right in the soft parts.

I'm sure there are many defenders will attest that Pale Tom's are hard as rocks.

 

[Brian LB-U]

Right, wrong or indifferent, but this is a bad look for Iowa two years running.

Agree and like I said in another thread, Brands likely would have rolled VT this year, it's all out of spite. The matchups would not be favorable for VT at all....

Gilman dec Dance 3-0
Hurt Clark MD Gustafson 7-0
Carton dec Ryan 10-0
Sorensen dec Chishko (who looks really good BTW, very skilled) 13-0
Kemerer dec Mastriani 16-0
Gunther dec Bergida 19-0
Epperly dec Meyer 19-3
Brooks dec Zavatsky 22-3
Haught MD Wilcke 22-7
Waltz TF Holloway 22-12

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Cael with a masterful troll job even Jammenz could envy.

Hawkeye fans are fired up today.

LOL at the recruiting exposure - have they looked at a map? One person thought it would be an easy jaunt for Sasso Plus subjecting impressionable young wrestlers from the Commonwealth to the advanced technique of Topher Carton and Gunther

 

[lockhavenlion3]

that's what they are upset about... no participation trophy

more maddening is no participation tees . third world countries in mourning.

 

[Ian]

well that's the end of that! no sense in participating with that kind of very obvious disrespect to all the other teams. No justifying that. If I were other teams, I'd boycott, and tell the committee and the Hawks to go pound sand.

 

[Ja1339]

I was told by HR folks to post on my own PSU site, so here's the comment I posted on HR:

Sorry, I've read all of the justifications on here, and from where I sit, this action by Brands is cowardly, and it's ducking, plain and simple. I can certainly appreciate why Brands and the fans were mad. But if you're still mad, man up, go down there, and kick their butts. How many years is this squabble going to last? At some point, don't you need to say this is being juvenile?

 

[Real-Lion]

I was told by HR folks to post on my own PSU site, so here's the comment I posted on HR:

Sorry, I've read all of the justifications on here, and from where I sit, this action by Brands is cowardly, and it's ducking, plain and simple. I can certainly appreciate why Brands and the fans were mad. But if you're still mad, man up, go down there, and kick their butts. How many years is this squabble going to last? At some point, don't you need to say this is being juvenile?

Brands knows they can't beat them....Hence duck them....Thank God we have Cael...He would embrace the opportunity every time and that is a FACT....

 

[Ian]

How do HR fans support this?

And why isn't this the lineup? because the Brands don't want to return to Balcksburg...

2 Penn State Big Ten vs. 1 Oklahoma State Big 12
3 Iowa Big Ten vs. 5 Virginia Tech ACC
4 Ohio State Big Ten vs. 7 Missouri MAC
6 Nebraska Big Ten vs. 8 NC State ACC
10 Illinois Big Ten vs. 9 Cornell EIWA
12 Minnesota Big Ten vs. 11 Lehigh EIWA
13 Rutgers Big Ten vs. 15 Central Michigan MAC
14 Michigan Big Ten vs. 16 South Dakota State Big 12
18 Wisconsin Big Ten vs. 17 Oklahoma 140 Big 12

 

[matter7172]

12 Minnesota Big Ten vs. 11 Lehigh EIWA
13 Rutgers Big Ten vs. 15 Central Michigan MAC

I might flip/flop these two matchups in the interests of regional rivalry if I were the governing body. It just makes more sense from that standpoint and is only marginally different.

The answers to your question are Brands never makes a mistake and Iowa will always be the top NCAA wrestling program - even if they never win another championship.

 

[dunkej01]

Cael with a masterful troll even Jammenz could envy.

Hawkeye fans are fired up today.

Ill let Az check in on this before I opine.....Az are you saying that Brands doesnt want to go to VaTech because it would put $$ into the VaTech coffers? That if this match up was a neutral site, your feeling and that of several other knowledgeable posters is that he would face them? Just want to confirm this assertion before I run my mouth in a wrong way.

Normally I would just post this on the HR, but I know where Im not wanted on a day like today.

 

[El-Jefe]

How do HR fans support this?

And why isn't this the lineup? because the Brands don't want to return to Balcksburg...

2 Penn State Big Ten vs. 1 Oklahoma State Big 12
3 Iowa Big Ten vs. 5 Virginia Tech ACC
4 Ohio State Big Ten vs. 7 Missouri MAC
6 Nebraska Big Ten vs. 8 NC State ACC
10 Illinois Big Ten vs. 9 Cornell EIWA
12 Minnesota Big Ten vs. 11 Lehigh EIWA
13 Rutgers Big Ten vs. 15 Central Michigan MAC
14 Michigan Big Ten vs. 16 South Dakota State Big 12
18 Wisconsin Big Ten vs. 17 Oklahoma 140 Big 12

If there's a yellow streak running down Herkey's back as is being alleged, Iowa is downstream from Minnesota.

 

[Ian]

who cares what Brands thinks. he is skipping out. its not his decision to make.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

How do HR fans support this?

And why isn't this the lineup? because the Brands don't want to return to Balcksburg...

2 Penn State Big Ten vs. 1 Oklahoma State Big 12
3 Iowa Big Ten vs. 5 Virginia Tech ACC
4 Ohio State Big Ten vs. 7 Missouri MAC
6 Nebraska Big Ten vs. 8 NC State ACC
10 Illinois Big Ten vs. 9 Cornell EIWA
12 Minnesota Big Ten vs. 11 Lehigh EIWA
13 Rutgers Big Ten vs. 15 Central Michigan MAC
14 Michigan Big Ten vs. 16 South Dakota State Big 12
18 Wisconsin Big Ten vs. 17 Oklahoma 140 Big 12

This is pretty much what the coaches agreed to if memory serves. The NWCA has been pushing this Dual Championship crap down our throat for years. Even to the point of proposing carrying team points over to the NCAA tournament. It's a manufactured idea, if it was so great, you wouldn't have to talk most of the tier 1 coaches into this or any other modification.

 

[El-Jefe]

Lesson Learned: no more gentleman's agreements within the B10 coaches. Go with contracts signed by the ADs.

 

[Ian]

The coaches need to boycott then. Brands has destroyed the integrity of the Dual Championship by manipulating for Iowa benefit. Crazy. And why would the other coaches and institutions allow that to happen? That's even worse.

 

[pish69]

I was told by HR folks to post on my own PSU site, so here's the comment I posted on HR:

Sorry, I've read all of the justifications on here, and from where I sit, this action by Brands is cowardly, and it's ducking, plain and simple. I can certainly appreciate why Brands and the fans were mad. But if you're still mad, man up, go down there, and kick their butts. How many years is this squabble going to last? At some point, don't you need to say this is being juvenile?

lol Today is not the day to give our opinions over there. No matter how wrong they are, none of them will admit it. It's pointless.

I posted there as well. My point being was that Brands agreed to this format 2 yrs ago. He's just not happy with the opponent with the history and all. At the time he probably never thought VaTech would be in the same league as Iowa and din't think it thru. If he did, he should have announced at the time he agreed that IF it happens that Iowa is suppossed to wrestle Vatech, he will not be involved. Instead, he waits till last second to pull this nonsense.

 

[El-Jefe]

The coaches need to boycott then. Brands has destroyed the integrity of the Dual Championship by manipulating for Iowa benefit. Crazy. And why would the other coaches and institutions allow that to happen? That's even worse.

This is way over the top. The correct 2 teams are in place for the championship.

 

[Lyco1990]

Unfortunately the NCWA has lost credibility. Last year they used the excuse they used the February 12th 2016 rankings, ranking before the VT and NC St wrestled (which made zero sense). This year they play up Iowa v. Edinboro. See http:\\intermatwrestle.com/articles/15959 to see that BS.

 

[Ja1339]

lol Today is not the day to give our opinions over there. No matter how wrong they are, none of them will admit it. It's pointless.

Yes, you're right Pish, in hindsight I should have kept my comments on this forum. Lesson learned.

Last point for me.....I thought tough guys were supposed to settle grudges on the mat??? I'd think Iowa wrestlers would like that. What better way to settle a score than by kicking butt in the most hostile environment imaginable. We've taken one of the most macho of all collegiate sports, and said I won't play you because I'm still mad. . This isn't badminton.

 

[Ian]

Then sit down all others and just let PSU and Okie State bask in the glory of their 2017 performance and status and be the only match this weekend. Bring in all coaches to Stillwater for a Coaches meeting all day Saturday and insure the match is televised for all to see, if they wish so.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

Unfortunately the NCWA has lost credibility. Last year they used the excuse they used the February 12th 2016 rankings, ranking before the VT and NC St wrestled (which made zero sense). This year they play up Iowa v. Edinboro. See http:\\intermatwrestle.com/articles/15959 to see that BS.

You can try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, but a pig is still a pig by any other name. You can't make this match a beauty no matter how much lipstick you put on Miss Piggy.

 

[pish69]

Yes, you're right Pish, in hindsight I should have kept my comments on this forum. Lesson learned.

Last point for me.....I thought tough guys were supposed to settle grudges on the mat??? I'd think Iowa wrestlers would like that. What better way to settle a score than by kicking butt in the most hostile environment imaginable. We've taken one of the most macho of all collegiate sports, and said I won't play you because I'm still mad. . This isn't badminton.

IMO Obviously Brands has a great hatred for what happened to his kids and I don't blame him. My whole thing is if he never intended to wrestle Vatech under any circumstance, than he should have said this when the plan was originated.