What kinda attitude is that? Today is the perfect day to be posting on HR!!
National Duals set
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At the time of the proposals, I assumed, cynically, that the reason some teams wanted to bring dual points over to the NCAA individual tournament was because they thought their more balanced lineups would help them in duals against the top-end talent of Penn State. Now that everyone realizes that Penn State can make a top-to-bottom superteam out of its 9.9 scholarships, I don't know what the other teams can propose next. For the moment, PSU seems to have checkmated them.
Brands agreed to the format and then broke his promise because he has a grudge with VT. Is this correct?
If so, Iowa should just be kicked out of the series and it carries on without them. Don't appease him by giving him an easy matchup. No one coach or team is bigger than the sport.
If so, Iowa should just be kicked out of the series and it carries on without them. Don't appease him by giving him an easy matchup. No one coach or team is bigger than the sport.
That's the problem. The coaches have too much power. To have a tourney without Iowa, is not a real tournament. Same as if it was PSU pulling this stuff. or Okie State for that matter. You take one of the Big 3 out of a National Duals tourney and it becomes a lesser product.
I hear you, but I would prefer the series without Iowa to a series with bogus Iowa vs Edinboro matchups, but that is just me maybe.
And all because Tommy had his feelings hurt. Wow.
As they are free to do. Actually, if you just take Cael's tweeted list of matchups, remove Iowa and shift all the Big 10 teams up one, the matchups are vastly improved over how they currently stand.
Next year, Iowa wrestles Binghamton. Then WVU. Then F&M the year after that.
The idea that Brands refused to wrestle VA Tech after agreeing to the format speaks volume about his self centered concerns. A few years ago Iowa and PSU were not on the Big 10 schedule, and Cael and Brands agreed to wrestle independent match at Iowa. I believe their was a gentleman's agreement for Iowa to return the favor. Brands will never come independently to PSU unless he knows he's winning. I imagine after beating Edinboro he can say he won a road match in Pennsylvania.
Thought the 2015 duel at BJC was the return for the one you're referencing at CHA.
I almost posted over there, decided against it, i don't want to get banned on my second post. However, Cael never liked the dual tournament format and never agreed to do it, he certainly never agreed to it, saw the match ups and then bailed out of what he'd agreed to do.
What is the back story between Brands and Iowa not wanting to wrestle VT? Is there history here, or is Brands just not wanting to wrestle a quality opponent?
I would LOVE to say what i really think about Brands now !!!! WOW...I won't but he is such a P-ss....
Both...The history is he sent 4 or 5 elite wrestlers to VT for one year cause hey didn't have room. Then the following year they all came to Iowa...VT Coach was pissed...Brands ran from them last year too in this same situation...I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO BE AN IOWA FAN OR WRESTLER....
Personally, I'd be happy if Brands remains the Iowa coach for the next 20 years....
So, he told HS recruits to commit to VT and then transfer to Iowa? Wouldn't that be some sort of recruiting violation... I know that a coach can't approach an athlete about transferring, so wouldn't this be about the same thing, with Brands orchestrating this maneuver?
I see your Spyker Filter is on. Good.
What happened is that Brands recruited a few high-end guys to VT -- including Metcalf, Borschel, and Slaton. They shirted as freshmen. Then Iowa fired Zalesky and hired Brands. Those recruits moved to Iowa City with Brands, but the VT AD refused to grant their release -- which cost them a year of competition and very possibly cost Iowa the 2007 national title.
Brands became Iowa head coach for the 2006-2007 season. And the VT AD has been dead for about 1.5 years.
The people who think Brands/Iowa would have pulled this crap if the match-up was for "all the marbles" (i.e., he's doing it on principal) are kidding themselves. The only reason Brands/Iowa are pulling this $hit is because their ox is not being gored by the bull$hit stunt -- in reality, it is VaTech's ox that is getting gored as they are the #2 Non-B1G Team and they are being matched up against the #4 B1G finisher. No way Brands/Iowa pulls this bull$hit if they came into the series as the #1 team and needed to wrestle VaTech as the #1 Non-B1G Team to preserve their Dual Championship......they're only doing it because it doesn't hurt them and if anything it allows Iowa to protect their national seeding at several weights (ditto for why daO$U was not moved into Iowa's spot to face VaTech - it is inexplicable as to why daO$U is not wrestling VaTech except that Prudence Ryan lobbied against it and begged off it to protect national seedings at multiple weight classes).
Holy cow! Who were those wrestlers? Why would he choose to send them to VT? And, why did he have any expectation that they would come to Iowa after being at VT for a year? How did the scholarships work out in that situation?
That was the ironic part about Iowa fans getting so crazy about Cael going to Penn State. Brands did nothing, really, at VT - 42nd and 29th finishes at nationals. But he took 5 guys from VT to Iowa with him, four of which were starting for him two years in. The 5 all lost a year of eligibility, knowingly, and then you should have heard all the whining and moaning from Iowa fans about how unfair it was - even though the wrestlers were told they would not be granted releases. They went so far to sue VT (and lost, btw, because their position had no merit). What little respect I may have had for Brands and Iowa was lost with those maneuvers. First, he didn't really accomplish anything at VT. Second, the whining about the wrestlers losing a year of eligibility when they were told they were going to lose it if they transferred ahead of time was way too much. They made a choice and instead of living with the consequences of their choice, they whined and sued.
Here's where Brands left VT.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/05/AR2010020503959.html
If it were not for the thought, "go post on your boatd, this is ours and you should respect us by parroting what we say" there would only be a dozen posters on HR capable of responding to outside thoughts/posters.
Iowa has never reciprocated the non scheduled trip PSU took to Iowa. Last year they did not wrestle because they could not agree on who should travel. Penn State believed Iowa should return the favor, Iowa's take was Iowa traveled to BJC the previous season which of course was a regularly scheduled Big10 match.
This year is no different than last year.
NCST had a victory overy Okie State and Smith was not going to participate if his Cowboys were not the selected opponent for Penn State.
VTech had the win over NCST and should have wrestled Iowa, but Brands threw the same tantrum last year. The argument that he is not going to Blacksburg because he isn't helping the Hokies put money in their coffers wasn't applicable last season, but same behavior.
Whoever suggested that instead of handshakes and assuming people are as good as their word (most aren't), signed contracts.
The funniest part of today was Cael openly poking fun at Brands.
NCST had a victory overy Okie State and Smith was not going to participate if his Cowboys were not the selected opponent for Penn State.
VTech had the win over NCST and should have wrestled Iowa, but Brands threw the same tantrum last year. The argument that he is not going to Blacksburg because he isn't helping the Hokies put money in their coffers wasn't applicable last season, but same behavior.
Whoever suggested that instead of handshakes and assuming people are as good as their word (most aren't), signed contracts.
The funniest part of today was Cael openly poking fun at Brands.
The unintelligent can reach for the shyt balls quicker than a cat can snatch a bat out of the air.
It is? You better check with the NCAA on that, because last I heard they have no interest in that unless they are guaranteed to make money on it and I don't see that happening any time soon.
That is the "Brands/Iowa version of events- probably about 15% true. Brands cost those kids a year of competition by not wrestling them when he could have. They could have sat during the redshirt year in Iowa City and wrestled all four years. They did it to themselves. They claim there was an agreement with the AD that they could leave with no penalty- does anyone outside of Iowa City believe this? Did these idiots really make said agreement without a written document? Nobody, even knuckle dragging Hawkeyes are that stupid. VTech gave those guys a full year of education for nothing in return. Brands knew he was returning the next year and wanted Vtech to foot the bill for developing Iowa some wrestlers. Ethically it couldn't have been more cut and dry which party was 100% in the wrong. The orange one.
I don't understand why they do that. If my head coach was forced to sit out of his senior year high school wrestling tournament because of rape accusations I would tend to leave sexual deviancy out of counter arguments. Brands was completely innocent of those charges, but certainly no more innocent than the PSU student athletes and current coaches.
Part of the story that is rarely mentioned is that Va Tech wanted them to wrestle for one year and then would grant releases if they still wanted to transfer.
What I truly don't understand, the Iowa program is funded by the public , alumni and fan base. I would think all 3 of those components would want to see the VT match. After last year failure to agree to wrestle them the above parties should have voiced their opinion on how bad it makes the program look. I would even think that Gable would have issues with what is going on and how it belittles the once mighty dynasty.
I think I'm going to put my pitchfork and torch back in storage on this issue.
My spidey sense tells me that Brands told nwca leadership when they shook hands on this form of the nat duals 2 years ago that under no circumstances would he take a team to Blacksburg. So if they wanted his support they had to agree to that.
Leadership said sure no problem and things moved along. Leadership thought to themselves that a)probability of the two meeting up is slim b) brands would soften and come around because he is a team player.
Further my spidey sense says this was kept between IC and Manheim so guys like cael smith etc didn't know this side deal existed and why even bring up what may never be.
This is just the spidey sense of an annoymous poster. If I'm right I still don't think brands is ok with holding this grudge but I certainly understand him digging his heals in if he made a deal and expected Manheim to hold their end.
I may just be all wet too.....
My spidey sense tells me that Brands told nwca leadership when they shook hands on this form of the nat duals 2 years ago that under no circumstances would he take a team to Blacksburg. So if they wanted his support they had to agree to that.
Leadership said sure no problem and things moved along. Leadership thought to themselves that a)probability of the two meeting up is slim b) brands would soften and come around because he is a team player.
Further my spidey sense says this was kept between IC and Manheim so guys like cael smith etc didn't know this side deal existed and why even bring up what may never be.
This is just the spidey sense of an annoymous poster. If I'm right I still don't think brands is ok with holding this grudge but I certainly understand him digging his heals in if he made a deal and expected Manheim to hold their end.
I may just be all wet too.....
the bottom line with all of this is "who is being punished?" and what exactly is the 'win' for any of the above.
