ND jumping PSU?

[lazydave841]

If ND had defeated NIU earlier this year the Huskies would currently have a LOSING record on the season. As it currently stands they are 6-5. And 3-4 in the mighty MAC.

That is quite a resume enhancer that ND has there on their record ....

I have no complaints about ND other than they aren't in a P4 conference. They attempt to schedule tough national games, but they can't help If teams are down when it comes to pass (FSU being 1 and a buncha, USC being 6-5). They can help not joining a conference and getting the respect that comes with it.

The service academies are not contenders at 9-0. Neither is 2 loss Tulane (who got beat in their P4 games). Boise at least has a history of playing these games and winning some.

I think ND should not be allowed any higher than 9 if they refuse to join a conference. They are perfectly fine with 5-8 and a home game exactly like our fan base is hopeful for.

 

[AWS1022]

Loss 2 is different than loss 1.

If we lost close to OSU and then also to Minnesota, it’s different than ND losing one game close to NIU.

But by that same logic, Georgia and Bama losing 2 or 3 games should also significantly ding them. But the spin doctors are still telling us to rely on the eye test (I.e. the name on the jersey and the past success of their conference) rather than actual results. What you’ll be hearing the next two weeks is this…

What would Penn Stare’s record be with Alabama’s schedule?

And their answer will be…they would have lost 3 games too!!! So how can you put Bama ahead of PSU?

But if the committee isn’t careful, they’ll destroy the regular season entirely in year 1 of the playoff by putting 3-loss SEC schools ahead of 1-loss Indiana…

Loss 2 isn’t different than loss 1 if loss two is to Minnesota after a loss to OSU when loss 1 is a loss to NIU.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Notre Dame should not pass us. Weak ass schedule.

 

[Lion_Backer]

I have no complaints about ND other than they aren't in a P4 conference. They attempt to schedule tough national games, but they can't help If teams are down when it comes to pass (FSU being 1 and a buncha, USC being 6-5). They can help not joining a conference and getting the respect that comes with it.

The service academies are not contenders at 9-0. Neither is 2 loss Tulane (who got beat in their P4 games). Boise at least has a history of playing these games and winning some.

I think ND should not be allowed any higher than 9 if they refuse to join a conference. They are perfectly fine with 5-8 and a home game exactly like our fan base is hopeful for.

Although I was responded to your post, I was intending to respond to the ND fanboy that you initially responded to.

'I think ND should not be allowed any higher than 9 if they refuse to join a conference. They are perfectly fine with 5-8 and a home game exactly like our fan base is hopeful for.'

I would agree but that concession needs to be negotiated and agreed to by all parties.

 

[Obliviax]

Notre Dame should not pass us. Weak ass schedule.

USC needs to show up.

 

[Delcolion915]

USC needs to show up.

They will.

 

[fastlax16]

They’re also not playing the same usc squad we did. They had a chance to salvage their season against us and played like it. Now they’re playing for pride with a second string qb after their starter quit.

 

[lazydave841]

They’re also not playing the same usc squad we did. They had a chance to salvage their season against us and played like it. Now they’re playing for pride with a second string qb after their starter quit.

Riley benched thr starter to save his skin. He didn't quit per say. He's probably soon to be in the portal though.

 

[doctornick]

I have no complaints about ND other than they aren't in a P4 conference. They attempt to schedule tough national games, but they can't help If teams are down when it comes to pass (FSU being 1 and a buncha, USC being 6-5). They can help not joining a conference and getting the respect that comes with it.

It’s not their fault that FSU sucks and USC is mediocre, but… they absolutely can be criticized for playing only eight Power 4 teams - that’s only 2/3 of their schedule (!) - and how does it compare to a schedule like PSU with ten P4 opponents.

If it wasn’t for A&M, they’d be getting the Indiana treatment and be ranked lower (for comparison as a team that is killing inferior competition)

 

[Delcolion915]

Take care of business and you stay where you are at regardless of what ND does this weekend. Them play Indiana, unless SMU loses again. Then it's either Clemson or South Carolina.

 

[LandoComando]

I think what we know--barring any crazy upset

1 & 5 will be Oregon/Ohio State (Big Ten winner 1)
2, 6, 7 & 8 will be Georgia/Texas/Penn State/Notre Dame in some order
ACC winner will be 3
Big XII and AQ winners will be 4 & 12 (Tulane losing to K-State makes me believe they only get in if Boise loses)

So that leaves 9, 10 & 11
Indiana is in if they beat Purdue and Tennessee is in if they beat Vandy
Final spot comes down to ACC runner-up vs 3-loss SEC team

 

[lazydave841]

they absolutely can be criticized for playing only eight Power 4 teams - that’s only 2/3 of their schedule (!) - and how does it compare to a schedule like PSU with ten P4 opponents.

Oh absolutely. Also, 5 of their 8 P4 are ACC teams as well. 3 win Stanford. 2 win FSU. 5 win UVA. We would be 11-0 with this schedule and ranked #2 today if we played it.

 

[doctornick]

The most interesting (plausible) shake up would be ND losing to USC especially if you also have Texas over A&M. I think that also opens the door for a 3 loss SEC.

Also if Clemson beats USCe, it puts them in play - perhaps more so than any 3 loss SEC - but they wouldn’t get in over the ACC CG losing so it would have to be Indiana or ND if they lose.

 

[LandoComando]

The most interesting (plausible) shake up would be ND losing to USC especially if you also have Texas over A&M. I think that also opens the door for a 3 loss SEC.

Also if Clemson beats USCe, it puts them in play - perhaps more so than any 3 loss SEC - but they wouldn’t get in over the ACC CG losing so it would have to be Indiana or ND if they lose.

ND is out with a USC loss

 

[ryoder1]

The most interesting (plausible) shake up would be ND losing to USC especially if you also have Texas over A&M. I think that also opens the door for a 3 loss SEC.

Also if Clemson beats USCe, it puts them in play - perhaps more so than any 3 loss SEC - but they wouldn’t get in over the ACC CG losing so it would have to be Indiana or ND if they lose.

If Clemson really beats South Carolina and the loser of the ACC ccg looks bad then Clemson could sneak in at 11. Or Clemson gets in outright by Miami losing to Syracuse then beating SMU. In the latter scenario then I think you have a debate for #11 between 2 loss SMU and 3 loss Alabama. I think Bama gets in and then it becomes a question of whether we stayed at 6 or ND passes us by virtue of beating USC handily.
So we could be playing Indiana in a 7 vs 10 or Bama in a 6 vs 11. Bama in a 6 vs 11 game would be tough but we would be favored by a couple points.

The scenario we want for the easiest path to the semis is:

First and foremost we need to beat MD by 25+ points.

Next we would like ND to lose or not win convincingly.

Third we want Miami winning vs Syracuse and then a competitive game in the ACC with SMU winning.

All this happens and we are #6 playing a #11 Miami then playing a #3 SMU in the quarters. However, we need to keep our eye on Texas.

We slip to 7 if ND crushes USC or possibly Texas jumps us if they lose a close SEC ccg to Georgia. If Texas beats A&M soundly then that may be enough to doom the ND sos and no matter what they do vs USC they don't pass us. Or a simple one into the 6 seed regarding the SEC and ND is ND losing to USC and Texas losing to A&M but that won't happen.

 

[GregInPitt]

ND will likely jump PSU tonight PSU has been very average and ND is the hottest team in the country

You must be a ND alum or the Pope to believe that. ND has played NO ONE, other than TAM which would count as a good win (maybe they were lucky to catch TAM in the first game....). But ND has a VERY BAD loss to Northern Illinois, whoever they are. And I believe most wouldn't say a team is hot by beating up on a team that ND had a 40+ lbs/man advantage over in the treanches, Army, with all due respect to them as a service acadamy ....

I'm hoping PSU gets their home game against IU or ND, the two weakest teams to likely make the playoff.......

 

[GregInPitt]

If Clemson really beats South Carolina and the loser of the ACC ccg looks bad then Clemson could sneak in at 11. Or Clemson gets in outright by Miami losing to Syracuse then beating SMU. In the latter scenario then I think you have a debate for #11 between 2 loss SMU and 3 loss Alabama. I think Bama gets in and then it becomes a question of whether we stayed at 6 or ND passes us by virtue of beating USC handily.
So we could be playing Indiana in a 7 vs 10 or Bama in a 6 vs 11. Bama in a 6 vs 11 game would be tough but we would be favored by a couple points.

The scenario we want for the easiest path to the semis is:

First and foremost we need to beat MD by 25+ points.

Next we would like ND to lose or not win convincingly.

Third we want Miami winning vs Syracuse and then a competitive game in the ACC with SMU winning.

All this happens and we are #6 playing a #11 Miami then playing a #3 SMU in the quarters. However, we need to keep our eye on Texas.

We slip to 7 if ND crushes USC or possibly Texas jumps us if they lose a close SEC ccg to Georgia. If Texas beats A&M soundly then that may be enough to doom the ND sos and no matter what they do vs USC they don't pass us. Or a simple one into the 6 seed regarding the SEC and ND is ND losing to USC and Texas losing to A&M but that won't happen.

It would be a shame if ND jumps PSU even if they beat USC. Maybe if ND dominates them. But ND has only played one team with a pulse this season (TAM) and has a very bad loss to Northern Illinois. And PSU outgained USC by over 100 yards even though it took OT to get the win. Comparing two one loss teams with one have a loss by a TD to the #2 seed to the other with a loss to N. Illinois seems pretty simple.

 

[GregInPitt]

If Clemson really beats South Carolina and the loser of the ACC ccg looks bad then Clemson could sneak in at 11. Or Clemson gets in outright by Miami losing to Syracuse then beating SMU. In the latter scenario then I think you have a debate for #11 between 2 loss SMU and 3 loss Alabama. I think Bama gets in and then it becomes a question of whether we stayed at 6 or ND passes us by virtue of beating USC handily.
So we could be playing Indiana in a 7 vs 10 or Bama in a 6 vs 11. Bama in a 6 vs 11 game would be tough but we would be favored by a couple points.

The scenario we want for the easiest path to the semis is:

First and foremost we need to beat MD by 25+ points.

Next we would like ND to lose or not win convincingly.

Third we want Miami winning vs Syracuse and then a competitive game in the ACC with SMU winning.

All this happens and we are #6 playing a #11 Miami then playing a #3 SMU in the quarters. However, we need to keep our eye on Texas.

We slip to 7 if ND crushes USC or possibly Texas jumps us if they lose a close SEC ccg to Georgia. If Texas beats A&M soundly then that may be enough to doom the ND sos and no matter what they do vs USC they don't pass us. Or a simple one into the 6 seed regarding the SEC and ND is ND losing to USC and Texas losing to A&M but that won't happen.

A good many scenerios to play out, but for me I just hope we end up playing IU, ND or one of the ACC teams at Beaver Stadium......

 

[Obliviax]

It would be a shame if ND jumps PSU even if they beat USC. Maybe if ND dominates them. But ND has only played one team with a pulse this season (TAM) and has a very bad loss to Northern Illinois. And PSU outgained USC by over 100 yards even though it took OT to get the win. Comparing two one loss teams with one have a loss by a TD to the #2 seed to the other with a loss to N. Illinois seems pretty simple.

I read that USC has had a lead in the fourth quarter of every single game they played this year. Only six teams in all of college football can make that claim.

What happens if USC beats ND at home?

 

[LandoComando]

If Clemson really beats South Carolina and the loser of the ACC ccg looks bad then Clemson could sneak in at 11. Or Clemson gets in outright by Miami losing to Syracuse then beating SMU. In the latter scenario then I think you have a debate for #11 between 2 loss SMU and 3 loss Alabama. I think Bama gets in and then it becomes a question of whether we stayed at 6 or ND passes us by virtue of beating USC handily.
So we could be playing Indiana in a 7 vs 10 or Bama in a 6 vs 11. Bama in a 6 vs 11 game would be tough but we would be favored by a couple points.

The scenario we want for the easiest path to the semis is:

First and foremost we need to beat MD by 25+ points.

Next we would like ND to lose or not win convincingly.

Third we want Miami winning vs Syracuse and then a competitive game in the ACC with SMU winning.

All this happens and we are #6 playing a #11 Miami then playing a #3 SMU in the quarters. However, we need to keep our eye on Texas.

We slip to 7 if ND crushes USC or possibly Texas jumps us if they lose a close SEC ccg to Georgia. If Texas beats A&M soundly then that may be enough to doom the ND sos and no matter what they do vs USC they don't pass us. Or a simple one into the 6 seed regarding the SEC and ND is ND losing to USC and Texas losing to A&M but that won't happen.

Nah I want Miami to lose to Syracuse and USCe to beat Miami because then I'm confident our path is Indiana then SMU which should be a semifinal spot

 

[AWS1022]

It would be a shame if ND jumps PSU even if they beat USC. Maybe if ND dominates them. But ND has only played one team with a pulse this season (TAM) and has a very bad loss to Northern Illinois. And PSU outgained USC by over 100 yards even though it took OT to get the win. Comparing two one loss teams with one have a loss by a TD to the #2 seed to the other with a loss to N. Illinois seems pretty simple.

Also, playing against a team earlier in the season when they still had some life is a lot different than playing them after their season is essentially over.

 

[ryoder1]

A good many scenerios to play out, but for me I just hope we end up playing IU, ND or one of the ACC teams at Beaver Stadium......

We're not playing ND. I don't think they stay in if they lose.

 

[LandoComando]

We're not playing ND. I don't think they stay in if they lose.

Seems unlikely but if they do they'd be 11 or 12. ASU could jump them if they win out.

 

[doctornick]

I read that USC has had a lead in the fourth quarter of every single game they played this year. Only six teams in all of college football can make that claim.

What happens if USC beats ND at home?

Yeah, USC doesn't seem like they have "given up" on the season - won the last two and 3 of 4. I know against UCLA they came from behind to win when it would have been easy to quit. Winning against Notre Dame not only allows them to be "spoilers" but is a pretty big name school, so I think the players would be up for it. would also get them a winning season.

USC has also been very tough at home and the loss to PSU was the only one at their stadium.

If ND does lose to USC, I think the Irish would probably get knocked out of the playoffs. At that point, their credentials wouldn't be any better than the 1/2 loss ACC teams especially with the terrible loss to Northern Illinois.

 

[Obliviax]

Also, playing against a team earlier in the season when they still had some life is a lot different than playing them after their season is essentially over.

I totally agree. USC was playing for their collective football lives against us (and died as a team that day). But this is senior day, at home. The last time many of these kids will suit up. Plus it is ND. And it is on national TV. Plus, ND has to travel and will feel a lot of pressure.

If they can start hot, they'll be just fine.