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Breiner, but he wasn’t really an OC. Joe called all the plays and designed the entire offense. Fordham took a huge step backward when Breiner took over for Joe. Franklin is way too smart to hire Breiner.

Thanks. It seemed early on Franklin might be trying to develope a pipeline there. As I recall the coaching staffs worked together for a time. I guess if that was the plan it fell through.
 
No my thought was work with the coaches at Fordham develop relationships, let Breiner learn and develop at Fordham and then when an opportunity like this came up, "move him up."

I know it is a ridiculous thought or observation. NFM
Not ridiculous, but the value was Joe Moorhead and not necessarily his scheme. His scheme is/was very good but Joe made it work. Joe protégés have done ok, but none have shown enough to get a big job like OC at PSU in my opinion.
 
Scott makes $1mm and is a Clemson lifer.

Yost make $300k. Harrell was offered $300k to stay at North Texas. Who knows how much he's making at USC? They offered Kingsbury a mil to take the job.
Was assumed at one time to be a Clemson lifer?:D
 
One more thing about Streeter. Not only is he a Gettysburg guy, but his dad is/was the Head Coach at Gettysburg College. Sounds like the whole family has PA football roots.

I would not hire a candidate just because they have PA ties. Just saying that he may have some PA Football in his heart and may have a soft spot for this job.
 
Well...... the last time CJF had to hire a new OC, he shit the bed.

This is a HUGE hire coming up for CJF - probably the biggest of his PSU tenure. He has - IMO - made a lot of good hires. This one has to be a Grade A hire.

Time will tell

You are 1000% right and Franklin knows it. He is smart and knew offense was holding us back. His loyalty would have wasted a lot of opportunities though with Rahne to make the playoffs. He would have made a move eventually but how many shots would it have cost us? He was visually frustrated this year multiple times on the sideline with play calls and amount of time it took to get calls into the field. The Minnesota game he screamed into his headset on multiple occasions.

He knows this is a golden opportunity to take that step to elite with his offense and he didn’t have to remove a friend in the process. This was a winning lottery ticket that fell in his lap and this move will define his career at Penn State. No matter who he hires I will withhold judgement until I see results. We are built to win now and it isn’t the time to break in someone without experience.
 
We "might" lose his S. FL recruiting ties, but what ties would a new OC bring in???

I know we are NOT getting Brady but use him for this example..... We hire Brady... Seider gets mad and leaves (a negative)... But Brady is the hottest name in college football and how many recruits from around the country would want to play in a system they just saw at LSU(a positive).

Again, I know we are not getting Brady, just using as an example. But do not forget, any coach we "lose" because they get mad and leave, would be off-set by the new guy coming in. Imagine Brady going into Caleb Williams' home next week and saying to Caleb Williams "You come to Penn State and I can make you the next Joe Burrow".
Brady might very well be the second coming of Bill Walsh offensively but his resume is limited. Easy to look good when you have Joe Burrow as your QB. He may well be the real deal but I don’t think it is carved in stone based on one year.
 
So much for being a Clemson 'lifer'. LOL

Was assumed at one time to be a Clemson lifer?:D

Ooops, my bad on a number of counts. First, I was thinking of Tony Elliott, though their histories are similar. Had my brain been functioning properly, I would have checked on Scott and found that he gt the USF job yesterday. So bad research and bad choice of words in "lifer." Intended it in the historical sense. As a predictor, "lifer" is meant to convey a sense of inertia, the bonds of which are broken when someone else offers a head coaching job and/or a shitload more money.

I am sufficiently chastened. Enjoy the opportunity while you can. It ends in 10, 9, 8,.........
 
Brady might very well be the second coming of Bill Walsh offensively but his resume is limited. Easy to look good when you have Joe Burrow as your QB. He may well be the real deal but I don’t think it is carved in stone based on one year.

Right now I couldn't say if Burrow made Brady or if Brady made Burrow. Would you bet $1.5 million on a coin flip?
 
Perhaps they should pick someone from among this field since PSU is the only Power Five program which offers OJT...

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Brady might very well be the second coming of Bill Walsh offensively but his resume is limited. Easy to look good when you have Joe Burrow as your QB. He may well be the real deal but I don’t think it is carved in stone based on one year.

That's why Franklin gets the big bucks. On the one hand, there are resumes that are short on experience, but what's there is brilliant. On the other, there are CVs that are long on experience with probably more than a few ups and downs (there aren't many coordinators with long, unbroken strings of success). Pick one.
 
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One more thing about Streeter. Not only is he a Gettysburg guy, but his dad is/was the Head Coach at Gettysburg College. Sounds like the whole family has PA football roots.

I would not hire a candidate just because they have PA ties. Just saying that he may have some PA Football in his heart and may have a soft spot for this job.
his Dad , Barry, retired 2 yrs ago, and was HC from about 1978 on, with 1 yr 'off' while fighting cancer, iirc.
 
Brady might very well be the second coming of Bill Walsh offensively but his resume is limited. Easy to look good when you have Joe Burrow as your QB. He may well be the real deal but I don’t think it is carved in stone based on one year.

His resume was even more limited back in August. Not sure how that limited resume hindered him once the season started.

But I do agree with the question of "did Burrow make Brady or did Brady make Burrow". Kind of like the whole Brady/Belichick question with the Patriots.

I personally think Joe Burrow is pretty special. Even if Brady is the second-coming of Bill Walsh, it's almost impossible to teach his pocket awareness and his ability to move inside a pocket while keeping eyes downfield. Those things are usually inbred, and a guy either has those abilities or he does not.
 
There are a lot of really good offensive minds out there who currently occupy jobs lesser than the PSU OC job.

Steve Spurrier
Jim McMahon
Mike Martz
Scott Frost
Charlie Weis
Lou Holtz
Art Briles
Phil Jackson

We're limited only by our own imagination.
LeBron James!
 
How about Mike McQueary? Sure, he has been off for a while, but his coaching credentials are, uhhhhh, ummmm, without comparison! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Sure he got busted for shooting deer out of season! But come on! He's a hometown boy!
 
There is nothing to say that they (CJF) couldn't find a really good OC - without spending an inordinate amount of $$$)…. no doubt. And one has to recognize that there is some upper limit to every budget.

But if they (CJF) go into the process with an overly restrictive parameter vav funding, then they may as well shoot themselves in the dick..... 'cause another bad OC hire would cost them bigly.

I agree. But I don't think getting into a bidding war with LSU and/or Texas for a guy who is a coin flip is very intelligent. If CJF identifies his guy, he should be free to go get him. I would hope he has the money available to do that.
 
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We should go after Kirk Ciarrocca, the current Minnesota Gophers Offensive Co-ordinator. He played HS football at Red Land and has family near York/Harrisburg. He coached Joe Flacco at Delaware, and did a pretty good job against PSU this year if you sadly recall. Makes $700K in Minn and I don't know how that stacks up. I know for a fact that he does not like Minnesota winters. Franklin had nothing but good things to say about his work in the Minn post-game conference, Would be a great candidate in my estimation.
Probably would not like State College winters much either, then....
 
The bidding war for Joe Brady will start around $1.5MM, which is the rumored number of LSU's contract offer.
He is a QB coach and passing game coordinator. He has never called a game in his life. He lucked out by having the Heisman winner. He would do best to stay at LSU and continue his ascension there.
 
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He is a QB coach and passing game coordinator. He has never called a game in his life. He lucked out by having the Heisman winner. He would do best to stay at LSU and continue his ascension there.

I don’t know enough about him to agree or disagree, but he is a white hot commodity. The LSU people met him when he was breaking down film for the Saints, and he took the opportunity to share his ideas and thoughts with them, and they were literally knocked off their feet.
 
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