How about Bruce Heim? Did he give them a chance when he opened up the Hilton Garden Inn to Jerry after Tim took his keys away?
No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"
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I don't believe JR thought Sandusky was capable of being a sexual predator. I don't believe any of them thought so.
I think the only reason that incident came into play was to tie JS to Penn State and deflect attention from TSM.
In a sane world, the existence of a statement from the so called victim exonerating the accused is more than enough to create reasonable doubt, if not throw all the related charges out the window. But not in this fiasco!
Yep. He slid out the back door while the BoT blamed football. Then again his name wouldn't generate ratings either.
That he was a key witness by the OAG vs CSS is beyond mind-blowing. Surprised they didn't use Heim, Grine, Lauro, Fox, Genovese and Turchetta.
IMO it speaks to the incredibly weak case The Commonwealth brought to trial. Perhaps JR owed the OAG.
In reality, when you take into account the manipulation of dates, locations, perjury.alleged crimes with no victim and hearsay.....its not like the OAG presented a strong case against JS either.
Perhaps they are not very talented, or is it something else?
Some of it was how many different people handled it over the last 5 years.
Mostly it was just an awful job by the prosecution. I can't believe they didn't focus on 98 when they got pleas from Curley and Schultz. It would have been a great way to hammer home Spanier being dishonest.
They seemed to try and make Spanier the guy responsible for how 2001 was handled despite the emails that contradicted it. It was Curley's call.
I'm sure my opinion of what happened differs from most here. I've come away believing there wasn't a cover up, but C/S/S weren't completely truthful about what they knew when.
It wasn't to protect anything but themselves from public opinion about making a bad call done with the best intentions.
Spanier's verdict will be overturned as the prosecution proved nothing.
I think you have to factor in that when these guys testified before the GJ, they didn't even know they were under suspicion. They thought they were just witnesses. Then you had the Baldwin mess. At some point, they had to begin to think they were being set up. When they were charged, their pictures were right up there next to Sandusky, with Noonan publicly impugning Paterno's moral compass making matters worse.
C/S/S were convicted in the court of public opinion, along with Sandusky, the minute JVP was fired, if not before. That MM witnessed a sexual assault in 2001 was treated as a given throughout the Sandusky trial, despite C/S/S's inability to testify and a statement by the victim that nothing happened. Then the OAG essentially used the Freeh report as a grand jury presentment when it put together their charges against Spanier.
There was a concerted effort to make this a PSU problem and these guys got caught up in the middle of it.
The 98 incident would only serve to show how incompetent or complicit all LE, CCAG and Child Services really were. After a "thorough" and "proper" investigation, JS was given an pat on the back and returned to his charity. No restrictions.
01, without a complaint, actually got more attention, since it resulted in shutting down JS at PSU and gave the opportunity for TSM to do the same. Instead, given the same circumstances that led Tim and Gary to banish JS, Bruce Heim and Jack Raykovitz merely sent him down the street.
PSU= no cover up, no conspiracy of silence, in hindsight an error in judgement. The Commonwealth was willing to give that assumption of innocence to TSM (despite the shredder trucks). Why?
why were they unable to testify? If they had, and gave similar testimony to their recent testimony in 2017, how would that have made their situations worse?
They did no favors to anyone by remaining silent for years. it only locked in the story line. I think they made errors in 2001 & compounded them in 2011 & beyond.
I believe that JR is FOS and he was just trying to keep the whole thing from crashing down. Not saying that he was explicitly told of an incident, but you get word of your founder showering with kids (twice) and displaying odd behavior and you just look the other way?
Spot on.
Equally amazing that the OAG never put Lauro on the stand to ask why he assured Jerry Sandusky in 1998 that he had nothing to worry about during the investigation.
And people wonder why we roll our eyes when they say "one simple phone call blah, blah, blah."
The only one who could "make a phone call" was Mike, because he was the only one who "saw"(?) heard something. Imbeciles can't comprehend that the police will take no action unless the witness comes forward.
How much money did Jerry bring in to TSM? Quite a bit I imagine.
Your suspicion is just as valid as my suspicion.
We have no way of knowing what would have happened if the jury pool hadn't been polluted by the OAG.
Are you really this clueless? I already know the answer and just want to see if you do.
I believe that JR even said on the stand that Jerry's main role at that time was a fundraiser.
Do you honestly believe that the jury would believe Jerry over eight victims and MM if a totally uninformed jury was on the case? If so, why?
So Jerry's role wasn't taking TSM kids to PSU facilities and then showering with them afterward? Too bad someone didn't inform JR that was happening between his employee and kids under the care of his charity. If so he could have just arranged to have it happen somewhere else.
The notion that JR looked the other way and just moved Jerry's CSA escapades to the Hilton Gardens so they could keep him as a fundraiser is one of the more preposterous notions you dolts come up with.
Yep, wonder if that led to part of the denial about what Jerry was. Jerry played these people and community like a fiddle.
I believe that the trial would have gone very differently if the jurors didn't have their mind made up before the trial started. This is not to say that Jerry would have been acquitted on all charges, but the trial would have been very different.
I don't. They would have been horrified and nailed his ass just like they did in 2012. It's pretty delusional to think otherwise.
JR was on the gravy train. I don't think for one second that he wasn't suspicious of JS, but as long as he didnt have a specific report of CSA, he wasn't jumping off the train.
uh, that doesn't stop then from testifying if they want to, unless both sides choose not to call them.
No competent attorney would ever let their client testify in another proceeding when they are under indictment in a related matter. In my opinion, this is part of why the OAG indicted C/S/S on bogus charges -- to keep them from testifying in the Sandusky trial.
He/They really didn't believe he was a pedophile either. No one did at the time. No way that they just move him to another venue if that's what they believed. That would have been unsustainable and just delayed the end of the $ gravy train and most likely their freedom gravy train if the OAG had done its job.
Mistakes were made by all involved including an entire community.
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uh, ok. wasn't my point. MY point was that IF they had testified it wouldn't have changed ANYTHING with regard to Mike's testimony.
They just in 2017 corroborated it.
So it's complete bull crap that they were charged just to hush them up. Their Own eventual pleas & testimony backed up the OAG!
maybe it's best if you & others stop harping on that point since it has been PROVEN FALSE - BY CSS THEMSELVES.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word.
No dumbass it wasn't proven false by their pleas. The pleas were a legal calculation based on the information they had at this time. They made the right personal decision regardless of whether you aren't bright enough to understand risk management. I would say it was a no brainer, but you still don't get it so....
In hindsight, you are 100% correct. I didn't understand it. I looked it up. Wow! It's the missing link! I have been thinking about this all wrong. Obviously, in light of that, Jerry was innocent. He should be freed immediately. And the guilty verdicts against CSS reversed with prejudice. I hope someone on the BoT reads your posts and sues to recover the settlements from the charlatan "victims."
Thank you soo much for setting me straight. Now if we can just keep plugging along and convince the last two holdouts in the ENTIRE world, jive & LaJolla, this whole dark period can be set right. They'll be harder to convince, but we're getting there! Don't give up hope!
That's another fantastic point!!! The whole thing boils down to risk management. Free Jerry!
I hate to keep harping on the issue - but when Tim Curley is in Jack's office describing Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - Jack needed to address that. It doesn't matter what Mike McQueary said, saw, did or heard.
The issue is OUT OF PROGRAM CONTACT.
It seems Jack never addressed that. Swim trunks doesn't solve that pesky little issue of OUT OF PROGRAM CONTACT.
Since the epicenter of this shitstorm was Second Mile, and the leadership has pretty much gone into radio silence for over 6 years about Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - and Abraham went AWOL on her fact-finding mission - we simply don't know what the hell was going on.
It's the OUT OF PROGRAM contact that is the root cause of all of this - everything flows from that.
I've tried to simplify it here :
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